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anubis2003 · 8th February 2003, 16:21

What do you use to base your technical presets on?

Nic01 · 8th February 2003, 17:07

I base it on what I want to make, and the knowledge comes from experience, others, or one of those visits to mathworld.wolfram.com

anubis2003 · 8th February 2003, 17:25

Yes mathworld is a great site. Book-wise I have bought Andre LaMothe's Tricks of the Windows Game Programming Gurus. This has a lot of interesting algorithms and physics stuff. Has anyone bought Eric Lengyel's Mathematics for 3D Game Programming & Computer Graphics? I think I might get it. It looks like it has a lot of useful stuff.

nixa · 8th February 2003, 17:44

I had to select all the answers becouse they are all true

I agree mathworld is great...would be even better if it had all of the books free to view online :P

anubis2003 · 8th February 2003, 18:12

Internet is great since it is free, but the best stuff is normally in books because the professionals would rather make more money than less.

Phaze1987 · 8th February 2003, 19:51

Hello.
I usually depend on the stuff i learn at school and what i can find in the math books i have...Internet is a great source of information but a real person will always make you understand better then a book or html file.

anubis2003 · 8th February 2003, 20:02

Yes, but finding a real person to help you isn't that easy. I should have put that as an option. Oh well.

Phaze1987 · 8th February 2003, 20:20

I was talking about my math tutor or my math teacher lol.ANother good option for the poll could be "winamp avs forum"...I learned alot in a short period of time thanks to you guys !

anubis2003 · 8th February 2003, 20:21

That's under internet. But some people could get something from someone besides a teacher. I know some friends who have helped me out a little, for example.

mikm · 9th February 2003, 02:21

you forgot my method: bang the keyboard until it looks pretty

EnDurA · 9th February 2003, 05:25

u also could of included rip off from friends AVS, ur new avatar looks cool anubis

Tuggummi · 10th February 2003, 05:05

/me Jukka!
/me hit keyboard with fist!
/me throw mouse around!
/me do this until pretty preset come!

Tonic · 10th February 2003, 07:12

/me like tug did this until pretty preset come!
/me just remembered some math tricks from scool and university

Magic.X · 10th February 2003, 09:11

0 I start AVS and create some Render Objects
1 I add some relieable DM's from some of my recent Presets
2 I duplicate them sveral times and change each of them a bit
3 Now the Preset looks cool but is awesome slow
4 I kill half of the DM's
5 Now the Preset runs quite fast but looks like shit
6 Frustrated, i close AVS and think about buying a new Processor
7 10 Minutes later i start from 0 again

Thats what Preset creating usually looks like...

blazer1504 · 10th February 2003, 11:23

Tuggummi's 'method' is very efficient & I use to do that too. Once in awhile I bang my screen to make that method even more efficient, it really helps (you should try it)

Jaak · 10th February 2003, 13:31

Hmmm... Nice methods (I i thought that how the hell can U all make so neat crap)...
Ok, mine is here: If I didnt knew anything about AVS then I slept in my classes, NOW is sleep AND think how to make some nice presets in my classes. Then I come home and realize that all i thought up was crap and I start using Tugs method...

dirkdeftly · 10th February 2003, 15:30

y'know as much as i hate tonic, and as irritating magic.x was (to me, at least) at times when he was here...i must ask, where've you two been?

Jaak · 10th February 2003, 17:25

It seems to me that you, Atero, arn't very tolerant guy...

anubis2003 · 11th February 2003, 00:45

Where'd you get that idea?

JK Atero. Well, kinda.

Zevensoft · 11th February 2003, 04:12

I think the whole animated logo thing had something to do with atero's disposition.

Jaak · 11th February 2003, 13:14

Pst! He can here us...

Guys! RUN! His coming........

dirkdeftly · 11th February 2003, 18:43

Zeven: The über-popularity for crap presets is what bothers me

Zevensoft · 11th February 2003, 20:57

Hey just like rap/hip-hop music! :P

mikm · 11th February 2003, 22:19

Quote:

Tuggummi's 'method' is very efficient & I use to do that too. Once in awhile I bang my screen to make that method even more efficient, it really helps (you should try it)

I thought that was MY idea- if you read through the posts, I said "bang the keyboard until it looks pretty" a couple days before Tuggummi made his post

Tuggummi · 12th February 2003, 06:44

Bleh Bleh...
Michael, yeah, what ever... just to let you know i have used your idea for the past 3 years, do i have to pay you copyright royalties?

oh, almost forgot, the more advanced method i use is the POTASWH method (Put One There And See What Happens)

piR · 12th February 2003, 13:28

If you can read french, you can have a look there :

http://perso.club-internet.fr/pcharpen

You'll find some presets and a little tutorial ...

fsk · 12th February 2003, 13:50

I learned most of it from you gys. Then I rememberd I learned all that in high school

. Seriously, I even forgot that I heard about polar coordinates before.

mikm · 13th February 2003, 00:46

I'm not mad at you Tug, just mad that somebody else completley ignored the fact that I also posted that first.

jheriko · 19th February 2003, 23:10

I got my technical know how from myself mostly... i.e. i figured it out myself. This may seem a bit weird, but for example, when I first started to play around with qbasic I accidentally discovered polar co-ordinates, it just made sense to me that x=sin(r),y=cos(r) would define a circle, I was then taught of their existence at school about 4 years later. The only thing from AVS that I didn't really figure out myself was the 3D projection+rotation which I first found on a qbasic website several years ago. The other big help has always been the help files, the only programming/techincal book I have ever read is 'OpenGL Game Programming', I learned basic and c from help files and asm from the intel technical manual which can be downloaded from the intel website.

When making a technical preset I usually sit down with a piece of paper for a while, figure out how it will all work, then code it up.

Clinical · 19th February 2003, 23:16

Well, since none of my presets could be considered "technical" (I attempted a few of those but they failed horribly... sigh), I generally just throw random crap together and tweak it until it looks good. I do use some of my limited math knowledge too... really, I do...

Montana · 20th February 2003, 09:56

i learned my math from school. all the math i use (in avs) is simple.

dirkdeftly · 22nd February 2003, 04:34

It wouldn't be a coincidence that POTASWH has "POT" right in the name, would it?

Raz · 22nd February 2003, 05:07

maths textbooks, internet sites, old threads. Anything helpful in any way.

Tuggummi · 24th February 2003, 07:39

Quote:

It wouldn't be a coincidence that POTASWH has "POT" right in the name, would it?

No... i don't smoke pot

I guess i when i tried to find a name for my method i was looking for a similiar shortname than WYSIWYG

X2

EnDurA · 24th February 2003, 09:27

Quote:

.I guess i when i tried to find a name for my method i was looking for a similiar shortname than WYSIWYG X2

Tug doesn't smoke pot, he is just as incoherent as the rest of us.
BTW tried to make avatar last nite, bloddy 50x50 pixels i could only get it down to 65² or so

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8th February 2003, 16:21	#1
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	AVS Knowledge What do you use to base your technical presets on? [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

8th February 2003, 17:07	#2
Nic01 Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Biggest Little City Posts: 508	I base it on what I want to make, and the knowledge comes from experience, others, or one of those visits to mathworld.wolfram.com [soon to leave, sirs]

8th February 2003, 17:25	#3
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	Yes mathworld is a great site. Book-wise I have bought Andre LaMothe's Tricks of the Windows Game Programming Gurus. This has a lot of interesting algorithms and physics stuff. Has anyone bought Eric Lengyel's Mathematics for 3D Game Programming & Computer Graphics? I think I might get it. It looks like it has a lot of useful stuff. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

8th February 2003, 18:12	#5
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	Internet is great since it is free, but the best stuff is normally in books because the professionals would rather make more money than less. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

8th February 2003, 17:44	#4
nixa Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 149	I had to select all the answers becouse they are all true I agree mathworld is great...would be even better if it had all of the books free to view online :P

8th February 2003, 19:51	#6
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	Hello. I usually depend on the stuff i learn at school and what i can find in the math books i have...Internet is a great source of information but a real person will always make you understand better then a book or html file. \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

8th February 2003, 20:02	#7
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	Yes, but finding a real person to help you isn't that easy. I should have put that as an option. Oh well. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

8th February 2003, 20:20	#8
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	I was talking about my math tutor or my math teacher lol.ANother good option for the poll could be "winamp avs forum"...I learned alot in a short period of time thanks to you guys ! \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

8th February 2003, 20:21	#9
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	That's under internet. But some people could get something from someone besides a teacher. I know some friends who have helped me out a little, for example. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

9th February 2003, 02:21	#10
mikm Major Dude Join Date: May 2001 Location: somewhere else Posts: 1,286	you forgot my method: bang the keyboard until it looks pretty powered by C₈H₁₀N₄O₂

9th February 2003, 05:25	#11
EnDurA Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: East Coast of Aus Posts: 1,467	u also could of included rip off from friends AVS, ur new avatar looks cool anubis

10th February 2003, 05:05	#12
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	/me Jukka! /me hit keyboard with fist! /me throw mouse around! /me do this until pretty preset come! Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

10th February 2003, 07:12	#13
Tonic Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sofia,Bulgaria Posts: 137	/me like tug did this until pretty preset come! /me just remembered some math tricks from scool and university

10th February 2003, 09:11	#14
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	0 I start AVS and create some Render Objects 1 I add some relieable DM's from some of my recent Presets 2 I duplicate them sveral times and change each of them a bit 3 Now the Preset looks cool but is awesome slow 4 I kill half of the DM's 5 Now the Preset runs quite fast but looks like shit 6 Frustrated, i close AVS and think about buying a new Processor 7 10 Minutes later i start from 0 again Thats what Preset creating usually looks like... -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

10th February 2003, 11:23	#15
blazer1504 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: .fi Posts: 155	Tuggummi's 'method' is very efficient & I use to do that too. Once in awhile I bang my screen to make that method even more efficient, it really helps (you should try it)

10th February 2003, 13:31	#16
Jaak Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Estonia. Posts: 851	Hmmm... Nice methods (I i thought that how the hell can U all make so neat crap)... Ok, mine is here: If I didnt knew anything about AVS then I slept in my classes, NOW is sleep AND think how to make some nice presets in my classes. Then I come home and realize that all i thought up was crap and I start using Tugs method... Phi = (1+sqrt(5))/2

10th February 2003, 15:30	#17
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	y'know as much as i hate tonic, and as irritating magic.x was (to me, at least) at times when he was here...i must ask, where've you two been? "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

10th February 2003, 17:25	#18
Jaak Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Estonia. Posts: 851	It seems to me that you, Atero, arn't very tolerant guy... Phi = (1+sqrt(5))/2

11th February 2003, 00:45	#19
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	Where'd you get that idea? JK Atero. Well, kinda. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

11th February 2003, 04:12	#20
Zevensoft Major Dude Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ballarat, Australia Posts: 529	I think the whole animated logo thing had something to do with atero's disposition. 1 \| 2 \| 3 \| 4 \| 3W \| 4W W

11th February 2003, 13:14	#21
Jaak Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Estonia. Posts: 851	Pst! He can here us... Guys! RUN! His coming........ Phi = (1+sqrt(5))/2

11th February 2003, 18:43	#22
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	Zeven: The über-popularity for crap presets is what bothers me "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

11th February 2003, 20:57	#23
Zevensoft Major Dude Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ballarat, Australia Posts: 529	Hey just like rap/hip-hop music! :P 1 \| 2 \| 3 \| 4 \| 3W \| 4W W

12th February 2003, 06:44	#25
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Bleh Bleh... Michael, yeah, what ever... just to let you know i have used your idea for the past 3 years, do i have to pay you copyright royalties? oh, almost forgot, the more advanced method i use is the POTASWH method (Put One There And See What Happens) Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

12th February 2003, 13:28	#26
piR Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: France Posts: 108	If you can read french, you can have a look there : http://perso.club-internet.fr/pcharpen You'll find some presets and a little tutorial ...

12th February 2003, 13:50	#27
fsk Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: right around the corner Posts: 223	I learned most of it from you gys. Then I rememberd I learned all that in high school. Seriously, I even forgot that I heard about polar coordinates before. I hate signatures!! bangs his head on the keyboard in hope of getting an idea Ufihreevf43n98pevfr

13th February 2003, 00:46	#28
mikm Major Dude Join Date: May 2001 Location: somewhere else Posts: 1,286	I'm not mad at you Tug, just mad that somebody else completley ignored the fact that I also posted that first. powered by C₈H₁₀N₄O₂

19th February 2003, 23:10	#29
jheriko Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: a twist in the fabric of space Posts: 2,150	I got my technical know how from myself mostly... i.e. i figured it out myself. This may seem a bit weird, but for example, when I first started to play around with qbasic I accidentally discovered polar co-ordinates, it just made sense to me that x=sin(r),y=cos(r) would define a circle, I was then taught of their existence at school about 4 years later. The only thing from AVS that I didn't really figure out myself was the 3D projection+rotation which I first found on a qbasic website several years ago. The other big help has always been the help files, the only programming/techincal book I have ever read is 'OpenGL Game Programming', I learned basic and c from help files and asm from the intel technical manual which can be downloaded from the intel website. When making a technical preset I usually sit down with a piece of paper for a while, figure out how it will all work, then code it up. -- Jheriko 'Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers'

19th February 2003, 23:16	#30
Clinical Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: somewhere within Posts: 41	Well, since none of my presets could be considered "technical" (I attempted a few of those but they failed horribly... sigh), I generally just throw random crap together and tweak it until it looks good. I do use some of my limited math knowledge too... really, I do...

20th February 2003, 09:56	#31
Montana Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SÃ¶dertÃ¤lje, Sweden Posts: 1,058	i learned my math from school. all the math i use (in avs) is simple. batman

22nd February 2003, 04:34	#32
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	It wouldn't be a coincidence that POTASWH has "POT" right in the name, would it? "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

22nd February 2003, 05:07	#33
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	maths textbooks, internet sites, old threads. Anything helpful in any way.

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