Colormap 2

nixa · 29th March 2003, 15:39

This one goes Unconed rather whan winamp staff. I whish that each of the slides in colormap would have litle frame and beat sections where you could define position and colors (x,red,green,blue) or the whole bar could work as a scope whith only x coordinate where n would be the number of slides.

anubis2003 · 29th March 2003, 16:15

That would be pretty cool. Kinda like the Dynamic Color Movement idea.

dirkdeftly · 29th March 2003, 22:14

and also really fucking slow, if i'm right about how colormap works...

Raz · 29th March 2003, 23:06

Even if it's slow, it's not like its being forced into every preset. The option should be there.

anubis2003 · 29th March 2003, 23:20

I really like the idea of a dynamic color thing. That would be really awesome.

Phaze1987 · 30th March 2003, 00:07

Great idea that could have been posted at acko.net :P Imagine how many times AVS will crash(and Winamp too) if you have the über colormap ON with at least 6 colormaps and beat detections + x,y coloring data...

UnConeD · 30th March 2003, 01:12

I've said it before: if you want to see the crash bug fixed, email me presets with colormap which crash every time you open them. I can't debug if you just say "it crashes" or send that useless blurb that Windows generates.

dirkdeftly · 30th March 2003, 08:24

what if we send you the contents of our ram, preset, and hard drive as well?

UnConeD · 30th March 2003, 14:54

Nah, I really don't have a need for all that leather-fetish-chicken-gay-pr0n sitting on your harddrive...

dirkdeftly · 30th March 2003, 19:47

what about all that leather-fetish-chicken-gay-pr0n sitting in my ram?

nixa · 30th March 2003, 20:27

Could you discribe just how is the chicken used? :P

dirkdeftly · 31st March 2003, 05:36

very carefully, and with style.

Tuggummi · 31st March 2003, 09:03

Quote:

I've said it before: if you want to see the crash bug fixed, email me presets with colormap which crash every time you open them.

Well i was going to send you my "White Frame" preset (from Techincally Incorrect) , because it originally had a colormap and it crashed it everytime. Now when i add the colormap i can't get it to crash! DAMN IT!

Now how weird is that...

shreyas_potnis · 31st March 2003, 09:23

so ou ring o cras avs on purpose

[Ishan] · 5th April 2003, 09:36

Cool idea! to have a dynamic color movement will (i think) improve the fps

cause instead of adding seperate color map and dynamic movement and etc,etc to enchance color schemes

we will have it combined and moreover it will give birth to new generation color cool presets!
Now lets get to the point

who will make it?
i go for UnconeD cause he is the only one who can code such dream ape's , i dont know if anybody else is capable of doing it

forget about me

anubis2003 · 5th April 2003, 14:37

I think something made by the people at Nullsoft would be the best bet. They would have the most control over what it does.

Magic.X · 7th April 2003, 10:08

Another idea would be to convert the "color map" into a real map by giving it a second dimension.

You'd have a x and a y axis, each could be assigned a key channel and the color points can be placed freely in the map.

That would be a great improvement!

The next step would be a third keychannel dimension, a colorcube or colormatrix, but this goes way too far at this point.

Oh, and the color configuration should be accessable by double click too because the popup menu is much slower.

dirkdeftly · 14th April 2003, 21:06

magic...stfu boob

that would be exponentially slower. if i'm correct...the equivalent of 256 colormaps in the same preset.

Magic.X · 17th April 2003, 11:04

Dunno if it would be really THAT slow, because what does it?
Getting information from the Key Channel (in this case from 2 of em) and assigning color values then. It wouldnt be slow, but consume more memory to save the MAP with its x,y points. If i'm correct, it would just take about 1,5 to 2 times longer.

Besides, you hafta admit that the idea itself is great.

Oh and welcome BACK to the Forums Atero.

UnConeD · 17th April 2003, 14:20

It's more complicated than that though... on a 1D-axis, it's easy to interpolate colors, but how would that work in 2D?

Given an area with a couple of key points defined in it, how do you calculate the ones in between? Think about it

In any case, it would be a different ape alltogether... Colormap as it is now has a LOT of uses.

Magic.X · 17th April 2003, 16:42

Well i did'nt say the colormap in its current state is not usefull, it's just that it would be F**king great to have a real map.
As far as the interpolation is concerned, i already have an idea in mind, but currently i can't really explain it, nor am i sure it really works.

Let's have a deal: i do the interpolation stuff (in my crappy Delphi / Pascal IDE :wink

and if i'm done you can port it to your existing colormap ape.

nixa · 8th May 2003, 13:21

Could there be an option for having a diferent channel and blend mode for each of 8 maps for color map 1.2 or 1.3? Like having green channel and 50/50 blend for the first map, red channel and additive blend for the second one,..

Tuggummi · 8th May 2003, 13:46

hmm... on beat key change would be nice too (and able to choose which keyes to be changed, randomly or sequently) If it's not too complicated?

Magic.X · 8th May 2003, 13:55

Possible after all with a checkcombobox.

sidd · 14th May 2003, 06:55

a little off the topic, but not worthy of a new thread:

would a color generator be possible in avs, similar to the mocha vis plugin for winamp. With script boxes like ssc and dm. use x,y,r,g,b as the vars and you can make gradients and stuff. A tool like this, if possible, could be the next ultra-powerful avs tool.

Magic.X · 14th May 2003, 10:39

i dont know about mocha but i think you could do similar things with a ssc

sidd · 14th May 2003, 10:47

nono, im talking about full screen colour thingos.. not just the gradients you can do with a ssc and a dm, but realy crazy stuff. With the ssc and dm method, you are quite limited because you can only use the colours generated by the ssc.
Look at mocha presets (although they are quite shit) and you will see what i mean.

Magic.X · 14th May 2003, 11:04

So you mean some sort of Dynamic Colorizer? I think this rendering shouldnt be too hard, the real crazy stuff is to transform some text into usable code. We'd need an hyperotpimized routine to do this.

sidd · 14th May 2003, 12:35

text2script isnt that hard, c++ is very optimised for it.

complicated syntax such as dm's and ssc's are though. Brackets and such.. i think weve had a conv about this somehwere else. Anyway, the point was you can download freeware headers for scripting stuff, but that wouldnt be the same engine as the ssc and dm etc, so it would confuse ppl.

IshanRocky · 17th May 2003, 16:22

i think we are dreaming too much,
lets face reality:
ask yourself, Is the "dynamic colrizer" or "Dynamic colourmap" ever going to be realeased (be honest)
as far as i think, both of the above apes would require super-code-geeks,which unfortunately are not many among us, sure if anyone can claim he can do it he's welcome, but i doubt it.
OR
we can all put up an effort for making the ape's
OR ELSE
just forget it, cause there's not point in dreaming about it unless nullsoft checks out this thread.

29th March 2003, 15:39	#1
nixa Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 149	Colormap 2 This one goes Unconed rather whan winamp staff. I whish that each of the slides in colormap would have litle frame and beat sections where you could define position and colors (x,red,green,blue) or the whole bar could work as a scope whith only x coordinate where n would be the number of slides.

29th March 2003, 16:15	#2
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	That would be pretty cool. Kinda like the Dynamic Color Movement idea. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

29th March 2003, 22:14	#3
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	and also really fucking slow, if i'm right about how colormap works... "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

29th March 2003, 23:20	#5
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	I really like the idea of a dynamic color thing. That would be really awesome. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

30th March 2003, 00:07	#6
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	Great idea that could have been posted at acko.net :P Imagine how many times AVS will crash(and Winamp too) if you have the über colormap ON with at least 6 colormaps and beat detections + x,y coloring data... \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

29th March 2003, 23:06	#4
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	Even if it's slow, it's not like its being forced into every preset. The option should be there.

30th March 2003, 01:12	#7
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	I've said it before: if you want to see the crash bug fixed, email me presets with colormap which crash every time you open them. I can't debug if you just say "it crashes" or send that useless blurb that Windows generates.

30th March 2003, 08:24	#8
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	what if we send you the contents of our ram, preset, and hard drive as well? "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

30th March 2003, 14:54	#9
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	Nah, I really don't have a need for all that leather-fetish-chicken-gay-pr0n sitting on your harddrive...

30th March 2003, 19:47	#10
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	what about all that leather-fetish-chicken-gay-pr0n sitting in my ram? "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

30th March 2003, 20:27	#11
nixa Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 149	Could you discribe just how is the chicken used? :P

31st March 2003, 05:36	#12
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	very carefully, and with style. "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

31st March 2003, 09:23	#14
shreyas_potnis Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 787	so ou ring o cras avs on purpose http://home.iitb.ac*****~shreyaspotnis

5th April 2003, 09:36	#15
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	Cool idea! to have a dynamic color movement will (i think) improve the fps cause instead of adding seperate color map and dynamic movement and etc,etc to enchance color schemes we will have it combined and moreover it will give birth to new generation color cool presets! Now lets get to the point who will make it? i go for UnconeD cause he is the only one who can code such dream ape's , i dont know if anybody else is capable of doing it forget about me Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

5th April 2003, 14:37	#16
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	I think something made by the people at Nullsoft would be the best bet. They would have the most control over what it does. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

7th April 2003, 10:08	#17
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Another idea would be to convert the "color map" into a real map by giving it a second dimension. You'd have a x and a y axis, each could be assigned a key channel and the color points can be placed freely in the map. That would be a great improvement! The next step would be a third keychannel dimension, a colorcube or colormatrix, but this goes way too far at this point. Oh, and the color configuration should be accessable by double click too because the popup menu is much slower. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

14th April 2003, 21:06	#18
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	magic...stfu boob that would be exponentially slower. if i'm correct...the equivalent of 256 colormaps in the same preset. "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

17th April 2003, 11:04	#19
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Dunno if it would be really THAT slow, because what does it? Getting information from the Key Channel (in this case from 2 of em) and assigning color values then. It wouldnt be slow, but consume more memory to save the MAP with its x,y points. If i'm correct, it would just take about 1,5 to 2 times longer. Besides, you hafta admit that the idea itself is great. Oh and welcome BACK to the Forums Atero. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

17th April 2003, 14:20	#20
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	It's more complicated than that though... on a 1D-axis, it's easy to interpolate colors, but how would that work in 2D? Given an area with a couple of key points defined in it, how do you calculate the ones in between? Think about it In any case, it would be a different ape alltogether... Colormap as it is now has a LOT of uses.

17th April 2003, 16:42	#21
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Well i did'nt say the colormap in its current state is not usefull, it's just that it would be F**king great to have a real map. As far as the interpolation is concerned, i already have an idea in mind, but currently i can't really explain it, nor am i sure it really works. Let's have a deal: i do the interpolation stuff (in my crappy Delphi / Pascal IDE :wink and if i'm done you can port it to your existing colormap ape. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

8th May 2003, 13:21	#22
nixa Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 149	Could there be an option for having a diferent channel and blend mode for each of 8 maps for color map 1.2 or 1.3? Like having green channel and 50/50 blend for the first map, red channel and additive blend for the second one,..

8th May 2003, 13:46	#23
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	hmm... on beat key change would be nice too (and able to choose which keyes to be changed, randomly or sequently) If it's not too complicated? Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

8th May 2003, 13:55	#24
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Possible after all with a checkcombobox. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

14th May 2003, 06:55	#25
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	a little off the topic, but not worthy of a new thread: would a color generator be possible in avs, similar to the mocha vis plugin for winamp. With script boxes like ssc and dm. use x,y,r,g,b as the vars and you can make gradients and stuff. A tool like this, if possible, could be the next ultra-powerful avs tool.

14th May 2003, 10:39	#26
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	i dont know about mocha but i think you could do similar things with a ssc -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

14th May 2003, 10:47	#27
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	nono, im talking about full screen colour thingos.. not just the gradients you can do with a ssc and a dm, but realy crazy stuff. With the ssc and dm method, you are quite limited because you can only use the colours generated by the ssc. Look at mocha presets (although they are quite shit) and you will see what i mean.

14th May 2003, 11:04	#28
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	So you mean some sort of Dynamic Colorizer? I think this rendering shouldnt be too hard, the real crazy stuff is to transform some text into usable code. We'd need an hyperotpimized routine to do this. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

14th May 2003, 12:35	#29
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	text2script isnt that hard, c++ is very optimised for it. complicated syntax such as dm's and ssc's are though. Brackets and such.. i think weve had a conv about this somehwere else. Anyway, the point was you can download freeware headers for scripting stuff, but that wouldnt be the same engine as the ssc and dm etc, so it would confuse ppl.

17th May 2003, 16:22	#30
IshanRocky Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Jabalpur, INDIA Posts: 50	i think we are dreaming too much, lets face reality: ask yourself, Is the "dynamic colrizer" or "Dynamic colourmap" ever going to be realeased (be honest) as far as i think, both of the above apes would require super-code-geeks,which unfortunately are not many among us, sure if anyone can claim he can do it he's welcome, but i doubt it. OR we can all put up an effort for making the ape's OR ELSE just forget it, cause there's not point in dreaming about it unless nullsoft checks out this thread.

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