Contest - we need one!

Phaze1987 · 5th May 2003, 08:38

Boys and girls,its been a long time since there was an AVS contest.A new contest would be a breath of air during these days of boredom.What do you think ? Contest or no contest ?

Tuggummi · 5th May 2003, 08:40

No.

Well not at wa-dot-com anyway... too much n00by n00bs so it would take FOREVER to go trough all contest entries...

Phaze1987 · 5th May 2003, 08:47

Or you can make 2 groups - advanced and newbie.Its better on the forums,DA is slow and not all AVSers are there...

Tuggummi · 5th May 2003, 09:03

true not all avs artist are at da, only people who know better are at da.

And da is much better than the forums or wa-dot-com will ever be, why? Because there is much more community spirit there.

Winamp-dot-com? nobody ever comments the avs packs there...
forums? just a bunch of people post pumping and flaming each other and too much tech talk here, no wonder n00bs don't feel welcome when all they receive is a bunch of code lines in response.

shreyas_potnis · 5th May 2003, 09:34

argh...never been to dev art

Raz · 5th May 2003, 09:42

Yeah but for those of us with dialup deviantart isn't exactly the easiest of sites to navigate.

Phaze1987 · 5th May 2003, 09:53

You forgot the purpose of this thread...COntest or no contest ?

Magic.X · 5th May 2003, 10:01

OK here ya go:

Contest aim: a good opensource ape project

Best wins ... erm, uh ... a warm handshake!

blazer1504 · 5th May 2003, 10:34

I could take part if it's a color manip contest, otherwise .. no thanks

Magic.X · 5th May 2003, 10:37

What ever you please, just get an idea and start working on it. This isnt bound to any topic then creating some Apes

Tuggummi · 5th May 2003, 11:45

Flow contest would be nice, You could only use 1 superscope & 1 dynamic movement 1 effect list & 1 trans effect of your choice... Then we would have a pack with some pretty fast flow presets that would run in high resolutions

Im thinking: "new picks 2"

Magic.X · 5th May 2003, 12:03

Minimalistic AVS??? This seems to be stuff for peopel like UnConeD who can superload the scripts with one GB of mathcode and more.

and new pick 2 would result in an over FLOW of noob pres.

But maybe we could do both, APE contest and this one.

sidd · 5th May 2003, 12:34

i think tuggs idea is good, only wed have to change the conditions because i bet hes planning something.

Tuggummi · 5th May 2003, 12:35

Well my idea is that we would then have PROFFESIONAL n00b presets

(sounds bit stupid eeh?) Anyone can make "cool" presets with load of effects, but what if the effects were limited? That requires skill to make them look good, not just "toss it up"...

But if you like using effects then go ahead... just a thought...

Raz · 5th May 2003, 13:21

I really like tugs idea. One scope, one effect list, one DM and lets say two trans effects, we want more than one decent preset tug. It would take a lot more skill to make that look better, and it might deter noobs if it's like that.

Magic.X · 5th May 2003, 13:27

Ok, i didnt say thi idea was bad. But we'd need What about Buffer Save and Effect Lists?

Raz · 5th May 2003, 13:31

Quote:

scope, one effect list, one DM

i don't think we need a limit for buffers, it's not as if you can do much with them without more effects.

Tuggummi · 5th May 2003, 13:53

Ok maybe not that much limited, but speed is the key here nevertheless. I think it would please a lot of people who think "AVS is slow & crappy"

Hmm... maybe...

1 superscope
1 dynamic movement
2 effect lists
1 buffer save (with save)
1 buffer save (with restore)
2 trans effects (General APE's allowed, like colormap, texer, convolution)

I think the presets would still work pretty fast if nobody goes over those limits, but of course if they don't use any GIANT superscopes or GIANT DM's with numpoints 10 000 and grid size 100x100

Good idea? I dunno

Would be nice to see a pack full of simple presets made by the "AVS - elite"

[EDIT]
One more thing, i think some effects could be "free" like fadeout since it really doesn't slow down the preset at all.
[/EDIT]

Raz · 5th May 2003, 14:12

Free effects should be: fadeout, brightness, fast brightness. All the misc except buffer.

Tuggummi · 5th May 2003, 14:17

brightness sucks up quite a lot of fps when dealing with simple presets, maybe it's not so noticeable with the heavy effect presets, but it does suck up a load of fps. Fast brite also sucks fps up a bit, but i agree, it could be free too since it is pretty basic.

Raz · 5th May 2003, 14:23

Are we going to keep this idea then. Shall we keep these as the final terms? Who's going to judge? Where's it going?

Tuggummi · 5th May 2003, 14:30

Im in if that's what you are asking

Vote? Or make another thread and vote there? i dunno... what is the best way to deal with this?

Phaze1987 · 5th May 2003, 16:51

I agree with everything...Lets do it ! But not on DA my password doesnt work and recovery pass doesnt work too...

Raz · 5th May 2003, 17:02

Should we start a thread and start taking in submissions or what?

Phaze1987 · 5th May 2003, 17:08

what`s wrong with this one ? You already finished the preset ? Btw can the superscope be replaced by a pic for example ?

Raz · 5th May 2003, 17:21

how about these as the final terms?
Flow preset contest
terms:
1: one superscope (can be replaced by any render object)
2: one dynamic movement
3: two effect lists
4: two buffers, one save, one restore
5: two trans effects, including simple movements limited to very few lines (General APE's allowed, like colormap, texer, convolution)
6: one other render object
7: any ammount of fadeout, brightness, fast brightness and all the misc except buffer.

edit: what about clear screens? should they be unlimited or counted as a render object?

Phaze1987 · 5th May 2003, 17:36

GREAT! I agree. Everyone who wants in just say YES or I AGREE.Have fun! Oh and who will decide who`s preset is the best ? I propose me Raz Tugg and Anubis

(me cause i started the thread and had the idea

)

Nic01 · 5th May 2003, 22:08

I don't know about fadeout... It can be used as a very good render for flow presets... (See FF6 - Tuggummi - Smoothies)
Invert can also be used as that, though the beginning strobing would make the preset-viewing experience not-so-relaxing...

I suggest that the submissions are e-mailed, with limit of submissions. Maybe limited updates? (Otherwise we'll copy the real-life model of beta-version releases of games... *shudders*)
For those that go over the limit, the latest update will be the one graded/voted on no matter what...

I also suggest that contestants have 1 wildcard render/trans... Different people tend to have different specialties...

We'll see how this contest grows out

P.S. : Post the participating presets over DA too once the contest done in a pack

Phaze1987 · 5th May 2003, 22:22

whoa,seems like i had a good idea.Im amazed

!

mikm · 5th May 2003, 23:16

what about Multiplier, can that be used an unlimited amt. instead of fast brightness--> it would go much faster

congrats. on the major dude

hungryskull · 6th May 2003, 01:51

I will enter the contest. Can I post the preset here when I finish it.

[Ishan] · 6th May 2003, 05:47

I agree too.Where will we have to submit once wr are finished?

Tuggummi · 6th May 2003, 06:04

Hmm... it might be too difficult to handle this trough email, also because i think there should be more reviewers than one. Also, who will review the reviewers entries or are they even allowed to enter the contest?

Phaze1987 · 6th May 2003, 08:25

Ok...Like i said a few posts above,reviewers proposal : me,Tugg,Raz,Nic.The entries of the reviewers can be reviewed by the person who does the worst preset for example or by UnConeD,i dont think he will participate or we wont let him

Lets agree on the rules here and then for the entries we will open a new thread ok ?

Tuggummi · 6th May 2003, 08:43

Quote:

me,Tugg,Raz,Nic

That's half of the contest entries

I don't want to be a reviewer, i suck donkey balls at it.

blazer1504 · 6th May 2003, 08:46

Quote:

Flow contest would be nice, You could only use 1 superscope & 1 dynamic movement 1 effect list & 1 trans effect of your choice... Then we would have a pack with some pretty fast flow presets that would run in high resolutions

Quote:

Ok maybe not that much limited, but speed is the key here nevertheless. I think it would please a lot of people who think "AVS is slow & crappy"

Hmm... maybe...

1 superscope
1 dynamic movement
2 effect lists
1 buffer save (with save)
1 buffer save (with restore)
2 trans effects (General APE's allowed, like colormap, texer, convolution)

You sneaky bastard TUG ! I bet you've allready made an uber-133t-flow preset with exactly these components & now try to do a contest which allows only those components you've listed. Am I right

Tuggummi · 6th May 2003, 08:52

ACtually, you're not that far away

My AVS PARTY 3 pack is based on simple ideas & presets, however those presets do go over those limits

I haven't made any presets yet, and im not that sneaky bastard

REALLY!

IM NOT! HEY GUYS... IM NOT!

blazer1504 · 6th May 2003, 09:02

and btw. I could be the judge on the contest, if you guys have nothing against it...

shreyas_potnis · 6th May 2003, 09:03

Well, here goes my view:

I there are any restrictions in the number of ssc's or dm's and stuff, someone could write an entire APE to do his job!

(although I doubt anyone would

)
the idea is fine, can we submit?

sidd · 6th May 2003, 09:28

no preset specific APE's!!!

if you can have that then its screwed from the start.

5th May 2003, 08:38	#1
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	Contest - we need one! Boys and girls,its been a long time since there was an AVS contest.A new contest would be a breath of air during these days of boredom.What do you think ? Contest or no contest ? \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

5th May 2003, 08:40	#2
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	No. Well not at wa-dot-com anyway... too much n00by n00bs so it would take FOREVER to go trough all contest entries... Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

5th May 2003, 08:47	#3
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	Or you can make 2 groups - advanced and newbie.Its better on the forums,DA is slow and not all AVSers are there... \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

5th May 2003, 09:03	#4
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	true not all avs artist are at da, only people who know better are at da. And da is much better than the forums or wa-dot-com will ever be, why? Because there is much more community spirit there. Winamp-dot-com? nobody ever comments the avs packs there... forums? just a bunch of people post pumping and flaming each other and too much tech talk here, no wonder n00bs don't feel welcome when all they receive is a bunch of code lines in response. Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

5th May 2003, 09:34	#5
shreyas_potnis Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 787	argh...never been to dev art http://home.iitb.ac*****~shreyaspotnis

5th May 2003, 09:42	#6
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	Yeah but for those of us with dialup deviantart isn't exactly the easiest of sites to navigate.

5th May 2003, 09:53	#7
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	You forgot the purpose of this thread...COntest or no contest ? \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

5th May 2003, 10:01	#8
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	OK here ya go: Contest aim: a good opensource ape project Best wins ... erm, uh ... a warm handshake! -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

5th May 2003, 10:34	#9
blazer1504 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: .fi Posts: 155	I could take part if it's a color manip contest, otherwise .. no thanks

5th May 2003, 10:37	#10
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	What ever you please, just get an idea and start working on it. This isnt bound to any topic then creating some Apes -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

5th May 2003, 11:45	#11
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Flow contest would be nice, You could only use 1 superscope & 1 dynamic movement 1 effect list & 1 trans effect of your choice... Then we would have a pack with some pretty fast flow presets that would run in high resolutions Im thinking: "new picks 2" Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

5th May 2003, 12:03	#12
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Minimalistic AVS??? This seems to be stuff for peopel like UnConeD who can superload the scripts with one GB of mathcode and more. and new pick 2 would result in an over FLOW of noob pres. But maybe we could do both, APE contest and this one. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

5th May 2003, 12:34	#13
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	i think tuggs idea is good, only wed have to change the conditions because i bet hes planning something.

5th May 2003, 12:35	#14
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Well my idea is that we would then have PROFFESIONAL n00b presets (sounds bit stupid eeh?) Anyone can make "cool" presets with load of effects, but what if the effects were limited? That requires skill to make them look good, not just "toss it up"... But if you like using effects then go ahead... just a thought... Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

5th May 2003, 13:21	#15
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	I really like tugs idea. One scope, one effect list, one DM and lets say two trans effects, we want more than one decent preset tug. It would take a lot more skill to make that look better, and it might deter noobs if it's like that.

5th May 2003, 13:27	#16
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Ok, i didnt say thi idea was bad. But we'd need What about Buffer Save and Effect Lists? -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

5th May 2003, 13:53	#18
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Ok maybe not that much limited, but speed is the key here nevertheless. I think it would please a lot of people who think "AVS is slow & crappy" Hmm... maybe... 1 superscope 1 dynamic movement 2 effect lists 1 buffer save (with save) 1 buffer save (with restore) 2 trans effects (General APE's allowed, like colormap, texer, convolution) I think the presets would still work pretty fast if nobody goes over those limits, but of course if they don't use any GIANT superscopes or GIANT DM's with numpoints 10 000 and grid size 100x100 Good idea? I dunno Would be nice to see a pack full of simple presets made by the "AVS - elite" [EDIT] One more thing, i think some effects could be "free" like fadeout since it really doesn't slow down the preset at all. [/EDIT] Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

5th May 2003, 14:12	#19
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	Free effects should be: fadeout, brightness, fast brightness. All the misc except buffer.

5th May 2003, 14:17	#20
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	brightness sucks up quite a lot of fps when dealing with simple presets, maybe it's not so noticeable with the heavy effect presets, but it does suck up a load of fps. Fast brite also sucks fps up a bit, but i agree, it could be free too since it is pretty basic. Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

5th May 2003, 14:23	#21
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	Are we going to keep this idea then. Shall we keep these as the final terms? Who's going to judge? Where's it going?

5th May 2003, 14:30	#22
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Im in if that's what you are asking Vote? Or make another thread and vote there? i dunno... what is the best way to deal with this? Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

5th May 2003, 16:51	#23
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	I agree with everything...Lets do it ! But not on DA my password doesnt work and recovery pass doesnt work too... \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

5th May 2003, 17:02	#24
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	Should we start a thread and start taking in submissions or what?

5th May 2003, 17:08	#25
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	what`s wrong with this one ? You already finished the preset ? Btw can the superscope be replaced by a pic for example ? \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

5th May 2003, 17:21	#26
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	how about these as the final terms? Flow preset contest terms: 1: one superscope (can be replaced by any render object) 2: one dynamic movement 3: two effect lists 4: two buffers, one save, one restore 5: two trans effects, including simple movements limited to very few lines (General APE's allowed, like colormap, texer, convolution) 6: one other render object 7: any ammount of fadeout, brightness, fast brightness and all the misc except buffer. edit: what about clear screens? should they be unlimited or counted as a render object?

5th May 2003, 17:36	#27
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	GREAT! I agree. Everyone who wants in just say YES or I AGREE.Have fun! Oh and who will decide who`s preset is the best ? I propose me Raz Tugg and Anubis (me cause i started the thread and had the idea ) \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

5th May 2003, 22:08	#28
Nic01 Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Biggest Little City Posts: 508	I don't know about fadeout... It can be used as a very good render for flow presets... (See FF6 - Tuggummi - Smoothies) Invert can also be used as that, though the beginning strobing would make the preset-viewing experience not-so-relaxing... I suggest that the submissions are e-mailed, with limit of submissions. Maybe limited updates? (Otherwise we'll copy the real-life model of beta-version releases of games... shudders) For those that go over the limit, the latest update will be the one graded/voted on no matter what... I also suggest that contestants have 1 wildcard render/trans... Different people tend to have different specialties... We'll see how this contest grows out P.S. : Post the participating presets over DA too once the contest done in a pack [soon to leave, sirs]

5th May 2003, 22:22	#29
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	whoa,seems like i had a good idea.Im amazed ! \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

5th May 2003, 23:16	#30
mikm Major Dude Join Date: May 2001 Location: somewhere else Posts: 1,286	what about Multiplier, can that be used an unlimited amt. instead of fast brightness--> it would go much faster congrats. on the major dude powered by C₈H₁₀N₄O₂

6th May 2003, 01:51	#31
hungryskull Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Somewhere in Canada Posts: 776	I will enter the contest. Can I post the preset here when I finish it. Darn, I can't think of anything to put here.

6th May 2003, 05:47	#32
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	I agree too.Where will we have to submit once wr are finished? Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

6th May 2003, 06:04	#33
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Hmm... it might be too difficult to handle this trough email, also because i think there should be more reviewers than one. Also, who will review the reviewers entries or are they even allowed to enter the contest? Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

6th May 2003, 08:25	#34
Phaze1987 Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lula The Sexy Empire Posts: 916	Ok...Like i said a few posts above,reviewers proposal : me,Tugg,Raz,Nic.The entries of the reviewers can be reviewed by the person who does the worst preset for example or by UnConeD,i dont think he will participate or we wont let him Lets agree on the rules here and then for the entries we will open a new thread ok ? \| -Mail me- \| -Visit my DA page- \| -Talk to me on IRC-(nick Phaze1NE)- \|

6th May 2003, 08:52	#37
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	ACtually, you're not that far away My AVS PARTY 3 pack is based on simple ideas & presets, however those presets do go over those limits I haven't made any presets yet, and im not that sneaky bastard REALLY! IM NOT! HEY GUYS... IM NOT! Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

6th May 2003, 09:02	#38
blazer1504 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: .fi Posts: 155	and btw. I could be the judge on the contest, if you guys have nothing against it...