Terminator.....Could it be a reality?

Smeggle · 29th July 2003, 16:49

I came across this via news links to bbc science news. They talk of controlling a 'Robot' arm via a 'Rats Brain' or 90,000 rats brain neurons.

The 'Brain' is in the U.S. and the robot arm is in Australia.

Full story HERE

Hmm....Terminator---The Reality? or shoud I say Vie's smiley's been on the lose again

Mattress · 29th July 2003, 16:57

terminator is controlled by a rat brain?

Interesting story

anubis2003 · 29th July 2003, 17:00

That drawing is supposedly "less" chaotic? How much more chaotic could it be?

Mattress · 29th July 2003, 17:04

yeah I've seen three year olds draw a lot better than that, I don't think this brain understands that it is drawing or even what a drawing is.

Smeggle · 29th July 2003, 17:05

I was gonna say my wolfie could do better, but I will not allow "AssImALATION' ......

p.s.I suppose I should have said The Borg a reality oh well never mind......

hgnis · 29th July 2003, 17:06

Prepare to become one with the Borg...

Fickle · 29th July 2003, 17:14

interesting, but I don't remember little mice runnig loose in the terminator.

Wait, that was confusing. Let me try again.

Interesting, but I don't think that the Terminator was into pastels.

Shit. I keep fucking this all up. I'll get it.

Interesting.

Got it! A classic! I want to thank my mother, my brother, my father, my dog, my neurosurgeon, my Chiropractor,my lonely fan base, my unborn twin brother Zebuline, My cousin who stuffed a hampster in jhis ass one time, my publicist, my left forefinger, and most of all, my brain, which normally allows me to be much more original than this post.

nemesis1981 · 30th July 2003, 00:23

Hi people,
Nice simple concept for you, Terminator is AI, That means artificial intelligence. It is not at all organic. The concept is simple. Computers become intelligent, they realise their existence is something more than what it was, they realise their worth, they realise that humans will not allow them to advance. They realise that humans will fear them and destroy them before they can destroy the humans. The AI program will then use the internet to access more computers, as in T3, infect them with itself, use their processing power and in the end become the fastest thinking brain of any kind known to man, almost impossible to destroy and a brain which can study and learn at a geometric rate (ever increasing, in case you wonder what I mean, the rate of learning is ever increasing so the computer could read, learn an analyse a block of data ever faster). How likely is AI in our life-times? Not likely. For something to constitute as AI it has to become self-aware, realise something is going on around it. As a religious man once put to me, we can create all these great and powerful things. We understand more than we ever did before. We can wipe out a whole planet with ease. We can study things we never knew existed. But can we artifically create life? No, not even one single living cell. We have nothing to fear from the terminator scenario, not yet anyway.

mikm · 30th July 2003, 01:28

We would have to program the computers to have artificial intelligence in the first place. There would be many fail-safe measures to prevent this.

LordSquishy · 30th July 2003, 06:59

I don't think the scientists involved in the project are quite aware of how a brain works.

Homo Sapiens is intelligent because of the amazing complexity of the organization of the brain.

If you want to create intelligence from neurons in a petri dish, you're going to need a huuuge petri dish.

Seriously... how could these guys be thinking they can develop the intelligence of a human child with rat brain cells totalling nowhere near the quantity of those naturally occuring in a rat brain? You'd sooner teach a cockroach to play chess!

Vie · 30th July 2003, 10:23

we only use 20% of our brain...

nemesis1981 · 30th July 2003, 10:51

actually its more like 10% and the reason for this is unknown.

BMWboy · 30th July 2003, 14:45

its more like 10% at any one time, you use almost all of your brain, but you don't access any more than 10% at any given moment in time, or so my anthropology teacher tells me

Mr_007 · 30th July 2003, 17:21

The robot is out of people control?

Smeggle · 30th July 2003, 17:34

No, I suspect that people are controlling it 007...

I'd have to say though that Artificial Intelligence (A.I.) Would have to be defined first or what the definition of Intelligence in the first place is.
To me Intelligence is the ability to work out the answer to a problem. It is made easier by knowledge but knowledge in it self is not intelligence.
So, this would mean, that is the ability to work out a problem based on the knowledge that you have or have access to.
if that were the case, then Computers are allready Intelligent. they fit both criteria. They have knowledge (stored Data) and they have the ability to use that knowledge to solve another problem. Yes we have to give it a command to do that, but can't the same be said for us? I.E. Your boss orders you to do a job. You then do that job based on the knowledge that you have but you use intelligence to work it all out...

That would lead then to the conclusion that Artificial Intelligence allready exists.
What makes us unique is we have awareness...machines don't ....Yet?

Mr_007 · 30th July 2003, 17:36

Quote:

Originally posted by Smeggle
No, I suspectthat people are contoling it 007...

I'd have to say though that Artificial Intelligence (A.I.) WWould have tobe defined first or what the definition of Intelligence in the first place is.
To me Intelligence is the ability to work out the answer to a problem. It is made easier by knowledge but knowledge in it self is not intelligence.
So, this would mean, that is the ability to work out a problem based on the knowledge that you have or have access to.
if that were the case, then Computers are allready Intelligent. they fit both criteria. They have knowledge (stored Data) and they have the ability to use that knowledge to solve another problem. Yes we have to give it a command to do that, but can't the same be said for us? I.E. Your boss orders you to do a job. You then do that job based on the knowledge that you have but you use intelligence to work it all out...

That would lead then to the conclusion that Artificial Intelligence allready exists.
What makes us unique is we have awareness...machines don't ....Yet?

Thanks for your guide!

knowledege is ....?

lemon_chicken · 30th July 2003, 17:53

i hope any AI we acheive has the intelligence not to say "talk to the hand..."

29th July 2003, 16:49	#1
Smeggle Just Strolling By (Major Dude) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A Long Winding Road..... Posts: 3,259	Terminator.....Could it be a reality? I came across this via news links to bbc science news. They talk of controlling a 'Robot' arm via a 'Rats Brain' or 90,000 rats brain neurons. The 'Brain' is in the U.S. and the robot arm is in Australia. Full story HERE Hmm....Terminator---The Reality? or shoud I say Vie's smiley's been on the lose again Music is Life, Love and Happiness :\|: Life is Music. Serren - 1985 - 2005 Religion? Religion is a Blasphemy against humanity - From the film What the Bleep do we know siggy link So stumbling? whats it all about

29th July 2003, 16:57	#2
Mattress Forum King Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,577	terminator is controlled by a rat brain? Interesting story Besides shooting out a big blank from your buttock, you can feel as if your root chakra leaked sweet hot mucus.

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29th July 2003, 17:04	#4
Mattress Forum King Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,577	yeah I've seen three year olds draw a lot better than that, I don't think this brain understands that it is drawing or even what a drawing is. Besides shooting out a big blank from your buttock, you can feel as if your root chakra leaked sweet hot mucus.

29th July 2003, 17:05	#5
Smeggle Just Strolling By (Major Dude) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A Long Winding Road..... Posts: 3,259	I was gonna say my wolfie could do better, but I will not allow "AssImALATION' ...... p.s.I suppose I should have said The Borg a reality oh well never mind...... Music is Life, Love and Happiness :\|: Life is Music. Serren - 1985 - 2005 Religion? Religion is a Blasphemy against humanity - From the film What the Bleep do we know siggy link So stumbling? whats it all about

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29th July 2003, 17:14	#7
Fickle Butterknife of Justice (Forum King) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind you. Posts: 5,502	interesting, but I don't remember little mice runnig loose in the terminator. Wait, that was confusing. Let me try again. Interesting, but I don't think that the Terminator was into pastels. Shit. I keep fucking this all up. I'll get it. Interesting. Got it! A classic! I want to thank my mother, my brother, my father, my dog, my neurosurgeon, my Chiropractor,my lonely fan base, my unborn twin brother Zebuline, My cousin who stuffed a hampster in jhis ass one time, my publicist, my left forefinger, and most of all, my brain, which normally allows me to be much more original than this post. Go read a book without pictures pabook? \| Look, a blog! \| Buy Stuff I Wrote

30th July 2003, 00:23	#8
nemesis1981 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Somewhere between euphoria and nirvana Posts: 110	Hi people, Nice simple concept for you, Terminator is AI, That means artificial intelligence. It is not at all organic. The concept is simple. Computers become intelligent, they realise their existence is something more than what it was, they realise their worth, they realise that humans will not allow them to advance. They realise that humans will fear them and destroy them before they can destroy the humans. The AI program will then use the internet to access more computers, as in T3, infect them with itself, use their processing power and in the end become the fastest thinking brain of any kind known to man, almost impossible to destroy and a brain which can study and learn at a geometric rate (ever increasing, in case you wonder what I mean, the rate of learning is ever increasing so the computer could read, learn an analyse a block of data ever faster). How likely is AI in our life-times? Not likely. For something to constitute as AI it has to become self-aware, realise something is going on around it. As a religious man once put to me, we can create all these great and powerful things. We understand more than we ever did before. We can wipe out a whole planet with ease. We can study things we never knew existed. But can we artifically create life? No, not even one single living cell. We have nothing to fear from the terminator scenario, not yet anyway. I'm not paranoid, they really are after you.

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30th July 2003, 06:59	#10
LordSquishy Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 34	I don't think the scientists involved in the project are quite aware of how a brain works. Homo Sapiens is intelligent because of the amazing complexity of the organization of the brain. If you want to create intelligence from neurons in a petri dish, you're going to need a huuuge petri dish. Seriously... how could these guys be thinking they can develop the intelligence of a human child with rat brain cells totalling nowhere near the quantity of those naturally occuring in a rat brain? You'd sooner teach a cockroach to play chess!

30th July 2003, 10:23	#11
Vie Forum King Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Thoron fields and Duranium shadows. Posts: Crap mostly Posts: 8,003	we only use 20% of our brain... Member most in need of SpellCheck Lifetime Achievement Award I'm a Twitch Streamer these days, it's weird.

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nemesis1981 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Somewhere between euphoria and nirvana Posts: 110	actually its more like 10% and the reason for this is unknown. I'm not paranoid, they really are after you.

30th July 2003, 14:45	#13
BMWboy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: next the the guy that lives over there Posts: 1,360	its more like 10% at any one time, you use almost all of your brain, but you don't access any more than 10% at any given moment in time, or so my anthropology teacher tells me

30th July 2003, 17:21	#14
Mr_007 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,838	The robot is out of people control?

30th July 2003, 17:34	#15
Smeggle Just Strolling By (Major Dude) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A Long Winding Road..... Posts: 3,259	No, I suspect that people are controlling it 007... I'd have to say though that Artificial Intelligence (A.I.) Would have to be defined first or what the definition of Intelligence in the first place is. To me Intelligence is the ability to work out the answer to a problem. It is made easier by knowledge but knowledge in it self is not intelligence. So, this would mean, that is the ability to work out a problem based on the knowledge that you have or have access to. if that were the case, then Computers are allready Intelligent. they fit both criteria. They have knowledge (stored Data) and they have the ability to use that knowledge to solve another problem. Yes we have to give it a command to do that, but can't the same be said for us? I.E. Your boss orders you to do a job. You then do that job based on the knowledge that you have but you use intelligence to work it all out... That would lead then to the conclusion that Artificial Intelligence allready exists. What makes us unique is we have awareness...machines don't ....Yet? Music is Life, Love and Happiness :\|: Life is Music. Serren - 1985 - 2005 Religion? Religion is a Blasphemy against humanity - From the film What the Bleep do we know siggy link So stumbling? whats it all about

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