BigBang theory

[th3matr1x]

Hi @ll
I wanted to know if someone knows more about the bigbang theory?
is it a realy theory where u can understand the start of universe, or is it just a theory to make you fell better on our earth?

[Mr_007]

My far this theory.
yes is theory of birth world!

[Starbucks]

Yes I beleve that the big bang theory is true, mainly because objects recorded are moving further apart. But the question is, what ignited the bang? And you could say that it's a reliable theory, better than any other I've heard.

[Jedi Gemstone]

uhhh Mr_007 why is it you never seem to make any sence to me at all??

Anyway, the big bang theory is based on something exploding and loads of big rocks being put into orbit by the gravitational thing. Then the only one to have life was earth.

Want more info ask nassa!

[eleet-2k2]

Originally posted by Jedi Gemstone
uhhh Mr_007 why is it you never seem to make any sence to me at all??

Anyway, the big bang theory is based on something exploding and loads of big rocks being put into orbit by the gravitational thing. Then the only one to have life was earth.

Want more info ask nasa!

He doesnt speak english very well jedi.

[Triton4]

Facts & Proved points about Single BB:

1. The universe is expanding every second at the speed of light, the diameter of the universe is curently about 15,000,000,000 light years (1 light year = 9.46 x 10^12 km.)!!!

2. Space & Time are curved in four dimensions - don't ask me how, I'm not a scientist!

3. The whole universe emerged from a point (zero dimension) of infinite energy. The infinite enrgy somehow got disturbed & the point exploded at an instant & energy 'split' into two components - Matter & Antimatter.

4. Matter is what exists as solid (planets, stars, satellites, rocks, mountains etc...), liquid & gas. Antimatter does not exist naturally in our solar system, it exists in the white-ish centre of the Milky Way (traces of anti-matter have been created by nuclear fusion, in European research centres)


Why Big Bang is controversial:

1. Everybody agrees that the different galaxies in the universe move away from each other at high speeds, and hence the universe is expanding - But does there exist a fool-proof supporting statement for such an occurence? NO. Scientists explain this using the Red-Shift phenomenon that they observe in the light emitted by the stars of those galaxies. But remember that the Red-Shift phenomenon is 100% fool-proof ONLY for small-scale research experiments & not necessarily for explaining larger theories like the Big-Bang theory.

2. We believe that the whole universe emerged from the single point - the primordial egg - which contained nothing, except infinite energy & everything was quite stable for a while, until the energy was somehow agitated & the egg exploded etc. But, what was the cause for such an agitation to occur, when everything was fine & stable - what was the external force that led to such an explosion?




PS: I'm not a scientist, but this is exactly what I know about this cosmic theory.

[Jedi Gemstone]

Originally posted by 31337-2k2
He doesnt speak english very well jedi.

Sorry, I didn't realise before I know after seeing that whole thread/post thing on it.

[taylormemer]

[IMG]http://ssscott.***********/bang.jpg[/IMG]
Little diagram of the BBT
It has always fascinated me since i was six when i saw my first space documentry.
Fifteen billion years ago, the entirety of our universe was compressed into the confines of an atomic nucleus. Known as a singularity, this is the moment before creation when space and time did not exist. According to the prevailing cosmological models that explain our universe, an ineffable explosion, trillions of degrees in temperature on any measurement scale, that was infinitely dense, created not only fundamental subatomic particles and thus matter and energy but space and time itself. Cosmology theorists combined with the observations of their astronomy colleagues have been able to reconstruct the primordial chronology of events known as the big bang.

Quantum theory suggests that moments after the explosion at 10 -43 second, the four forces of nature; strong nuclear, weak nuclear, electromagnetic and gravity were combined as a single "super force"(Wald). Elementary particles known as quarks begin to bond in trios, forming photons, positrons and netrinos and were created along with their antiparticles. There are minuscule amounts of protons and neutrons at this stage; approximately 1 for every one billion photons, neutrinos or electrons (Maffei). The density of the Universe in its first moment of life is thought to have been 1094g/cm3 with the majority of this being radiation. For each billion pairs of these heavy particles (hadrons) that were created, one was spared annihilation due to particle-antiparticle collisions. The remaining particles constitute the majority of our universe today (Novikov).

During this creation and annihilation of particles the universe was undergoing a rate of expansion many times the speed of light. Known as the inflationary epoch, the universe in less than one thousandth of a second doubled in size at least one hundred times, from an atomic nucleus to 1035 meters in width. An isotropic inflation of our Universe ends at 10-35 second that was almost perfectly smooth. If it were not for a slight fluctuation in the density distribution of matter, theorists contend, galaxies would have been unable to form (Parker).


The image is Eta Carina Nebula which if you search for in a search enginge you will fing info on. I took this pic with a CCD on the back of a 10 inch telescope. Just thought id show ya, i hav lots of pics like this.

[s1138]

its very fascinating. but yet, its entirety is beyond the capacity for humans to comprehend.

[Bizzeh]

Originally posted by Starbucks
Yes I beleve that the big bang theory is true, mainly because objects recorded are moving further apart. But the question is, what ignited the bang? And you could say that it's a reliable theory, better than any other I've heard.

i sort of belive it... there MUST have been somthing there to start the big bang.. so.. what/who put it there... and... what is at the edge of the universe?... but, i do think the big bang is true, as its proven that the universe is expanding exponentially... but... this also bring up.. what happens when the universe has streched to its max?

[s1138]

maybe a rubber band effect....stretch...then either break, or snap back..

[th3matr1x]

cool , I like this thread.
I think i can prove that the big ban theory wrong.
the energy of any system in tzhe world is always 0.
Now let's look to a zippo over my table.it will be there the hole time, in the same place, if no energy is putted in it.
He has a constant energystate. when i will move it, then he changes the energystate. so don't u belive that if i was told the big bang theory is wrong, where is the impuls that would create this.
I think I can even explain that in mathematical theories

[Coman]

I started a thread on this before already but I guess nobody cares...

Originally posted by Jedi Gemstone
Then the only one to have life was earth.

huh ? how do you know that?

[Starbucks]

Some people say that the universe is never-ending. Any takers?

[Coman]

Originally posted by Bizzy D.
what happens when the universe has streched to its max?

They believe that one time the process will repeat itself backwards, i.e. the universe will stop expanding and start decreasing in size till it'll reach its original size.

Originally posted by Starbucks
But the question is, what ignited the bang?

An enormous amount of energy being stored in a very small and closed amount of space (core or nucleus).

Originally posted by Starbucks
Some people say that the universe is never-ending. Any takers?

I cant imagine something being infinite, but if you place two mirrors opposite of each other and look into one of them, aren't you looking into the infinity? On the other hand if universe ends then I seriously doubt "nothing" that is beyond the universe.

[lemon_chicken]

Originally posted by Coman
An enormous amount of energy being stored in a very small and closed amount of space (core or nucleus).

well i hope that at least sounds convincing to you...

[Coman]

that's just what i read from many popular sources.

[lemon_chicken]

it just means that at least energy and space already existed pre big bang, which kinda screws up the whole idea that the big bang was the begining.

[Coman]

that's when the time began they say.

[nemesis1981]

A few things, it is all a theory, and Th3matr1x man, I would really be interested in reading your theory, even in german if its easier to write it. I believe the big bang is the most likely explanation of the universe beginning, but then my knowledge is kinda vague. The who energy thing was not too clear. Maybe explain it better (even if it means me sitting at a dictionary for a while). One thing I would say about the whole theory is that the egg that people mention was actually an infinitely small point of energy, or so I was told, and so is the theory. The point of all energy in the universe being equal to 0 is not entirely correct. What is actually meant is that in this universe the amount of energy that exists now will always exist, and has always existed since the dawn of time. I can't explain the theories of time so will stop here on this subject.

One other thing just for Coman's interest. The post caught my eye because he put the word "nothing" as i have, drawing attention to what he means is not how most people associate the word. Pointless bit of information without which I don't believe mathematics can exist, the idea of "0" did not exist for centuries after maths was discoved. The whole idea of nothing and nothingness would be an interesting topic to discuss, but since I have no idea how to start it I would ask someone else to consider starting this topic. "Nothing" is a wierd concept because techically it means something is not there but what if there is simply nothingness, does that constitute emptiness or is that something different in terms of space and the universe? There is an idea for a new topic. Copy what i wrote but change it slightly.

The post above me evidently sucks for accusing me of sucking, when in fact I rule in my own twisted universe.

Excellent.

[fwgx]

The Big Crunch where the universe collapses has been almost completly discredited nowadays. That would happen if there were enough matter in the universe to start to slow us down and reverse it. This doesn't seem to be case, it looks like the universe will just get bigger and bigger forever until you see no resemblance of anything. In fact current estimates suggest that the universe is expanding at 1 billion miles an hour, so we are actually accellerating expansion not decellerating. I kind of don't buy this and maybe see it from a different angle. To me this suggests that the Universe is much younger than we thought, but I think we're quite accurate on this front, or our idea of a long time is way out. If the universe is really 15 billion years old and it's still expanding then maybe old - to the universe - is much much longer, and we are really pretty close the the beginning of time comparitivly. So maybe 15bn years is only a minute on the hour clock face of all time.

I quite like the multiverse theory that there are many different universes inside other universes. Perhaps the other side of a Black Hole, from it's singularity, springs another universe far removed from it's parent. To me that has a certain 'nice fitness' to it. whether this is reality of not I don't know and I'm sure reality will turn out to be somehting far more interesting and intriguing.

I've also heard of theories that the universe is shaped like a giant donut, so that if you set forward in one direction and go far enough you'll come back to where you started from. This theory too has a certain charm to it as it's easy to understand and visualise. so as Neils Bohr once said 'If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet'. And I suspect that to be true of plausable theories to the origins of the universe.

[fwgx]

As I have pimped on numerours times here. "The Book of Nothing" (amazon it), is an excellent read and answers all those questions and more. I don't have it at hand nor have studied it properly to remember any of the conclusions and answers it gave. Enlightening it is though.

[th3matr1x]

it's me again. I will try to explain my theory in a better way.
1.let's say our universe has a constant energy amaount at any given time which is the basic of the bigbang theory too. I think You know the formula E=E-kine+E-poten+E....
so the hole energy in our system is always the same. if i burn a cigarett, some energy will be in my body, some will go in air , and some will be somewhere else on the universe, but the hole universe energy won't change because i've burned a cigarett.
So my first point, is that the universe energy is constant.
Second. I look again to the cigarett. it's waiting for me to be burned. let's say i don't want to smoke any cigarett today. the cigarett will then be waiting there the hole day for me. it won't move or change it's energy state. It just will wait till tomorrow in the same place, but if i would say i wan't it today (I'm the impuls in this case) then i will turn on a ligher and smoke the cigarett, which will change the cigarett state (it will burn). So at the end, no energy will change it's state without any incoming impuls, so no big bang without any impuls, do u understand what i mean.even when the energy was so big in such a small point on the universe, it has to get an impuls to start changing it's energy state.
third i belive that, we were told lots of bullshit in school, i once looked deeply in myself, and thought if i close my eyes, i won't see anyone, i will just feel the energy inside my body. If i close my eyes, or if i die, i won't see things the same way i do now. I feel that my energy was taking away from me the hole time since i was on this universe .because even what i see and feel is some kind of energy which flow through the hole universe, and without it, the universe will be different. So Why do peaple lie to me and tell me that the bigbang theory is right?
And now this is my theory to universe.
we are connected to each other through our souls, you can call it what u want( energy maybe ), and this energystate or soul is also dependent on what we see , what we hear , or what we feel.
some persons are trying to destroy the soul in our body, it's easy, when they are trying to explain everything whith mathematics and numbers. we know that 0 or 1 don't have any real meaning in our world, they are just numbers , with them we are trying to understand the world. but the world is actually infinite. We can't ever in our live mesure the right lenght of a circle or anything like that, cause it's infinite, or can you ?
the hole secret of life lies actually in us. so why do peaple use bad energy in their life? why do they try to transmit this bad energy to peaple, why can't this energy be good, why can't they be fair and tell us that we have souls and that it's the most powerfull thing we can have. i think some are trying to be gods on earth, it's not america, or bush , it's more than that. some guys have understood this power, and are trying to hide it from us. like in the pyramid time , like the pharao which has controlled millions of peaple in their time, and noone has said a thing to them.
I don't need to understand the world in a mathematical way, i won't to understand the world from my point of view, how it feels like to me, how i think about it, and how my energystate feels about it , and not how peaple are trying to explain to me, since the world is for us all to understand, and not to be controlled by peaple who tries to explain how it works. I was the hole time (28 years) trying to use those theory to understand why i'm here, and guess what , i know they are all wrong.GOD is watching us, the earth is a proper test, just do your best to make God happy, cause when your test is over, you can't tell God i haven't thought about this. you can't tell him that you arte told from peaple that the bigbang theory was right, cause you know it can't be, and remember when you colse your eyes, none of this will be real.
Anyway i lost 28 years of my life trying to hide my soul from me, and now i begin to understand that as long as we live, i have to give positive energy on this world, so that it will change.
PEACE ALL OVER THE WORLD. AND CYA ALL IN HEAVEN

[fwgx]

Well as with all sceintific theories, it's only a theory and not a truth. you weren't lied to at achool, perhaps science wasn't explained very well to you. But all that Newtonian stuff you learnt? completly wrong. That Einstein guy? Completly wrong. That is what science is, a constant improvement and refinement of theories. Then when something is almost 100% certain it becomes a law. Like the laws of thermodyamics. The Big Bang theory has gaping holes noone can answer, however, it is by far and away the best theory we have to explain how he universe got here. It has a fair bit of evidence to support it for starters.

Unfortunatly there is no evidence for a soul, or a God, where a God fits into peoples lives, like yourself, is when we can't explain things with science. Which to me is a bit of a disapointment, as science is a time consuming process. It takes a lot of hard work and time, lots of time, lots of centuries. And I feel it a shame that people give up on science whan it can't answer everything in their very short lifetimes.

So to go from science to god, to me, is to completly give up on reason, logic, evidence, discovery etc etc etc, in order for things to fit nicely in your head. Reality doesn't care if things fit nicely in your head, that doesn't change anything about reality.

[th3matr1x]

Nah , I don't give up on science, cause i think with science i can prove that what we learn is not really right.
einstein said that light speed is the fastes speed. and they mesure it. how could they mesure the fastest speed on earth?
i mean there is no real good mesurement for lenght and not for time, so how can u tell the light speed is 300.000km/s or somethign like that. think about it. u can't know what actually a km is, and also u can't know what is a time. it's just a mathematical thing made from peaple to try to explain what god made on earth . don't u see that?
or do u believe there is no god, and u are only here because of the big bang theory , or the darwin theory. I know how powerfull my soul is. Actually i don't mind if peaple believe on god or not. but i do believe on God, on my soul, on good and evil. and actually i think i know the code

[EnDurA]

everything we see around us can be explained using maths and science, never give up on it. everything can be explained with numbers. as for measuring the speed of light, thats simple. all you have to do is shoot a laser at a mirror a few hundred miles away (the moon for example, has a mirror set up on it for this very reason), then shine a laser at it, time the amount of time it takes for the laser to return to you, then times it by the distance away the mirror is from you.


note: the miror they used was a three side one, like half a cube, so it always reflected it directly back no-matter what angle your on.

[EnDurA]

btw - we are here not because of our beliefs. we are here because of our past, whatever that might be. whether it is god, evolution, etc...
our beliefs have no direct effect on the world around us.

[Triton4]

Originally posted by Phily Baby
I've also heard of theories that the universe is shaped like a giant donut, so that if you set forward in one direction and go far enough you'll come back to where you started from. This theory too has a certain charm to it as it's easy to understand and visualise.

This theory is based on the second fact about the BB (as in my previous post), but it is severely flawed:

2. Space & Time are curved in four dimensions - don't ask me how, I'm not a scientist!

Thus, we may assume that the universe is like a balloon (more than a donut) that can be blown indefinitely (without getting burst, period) & that the whole universe lies ON the balloon & there is NOTHING on the inside or outside of it. Now, assuming that you've marked a point on the balloon close to you, where you want to insert a needle & burst it at that very instant - you will find at that second, the point would have moved a distance of about 30,000 km. away from you, due to the expansion of the balloon/universe - can you catch up with that??? As you try approaching the mark, it will move further & further away indefinitely & obviously you will never be able to reach it, a point in your neighbourhood - leave alone travelling around the universe & getting back to your origin - it is impossible.

[th3matr1x]

you talk like you know loads of things man. I'm not trying to let u believe on god or not, cause it's up to you man. take it like that, He is there , he made the hole universe, inclusive you, and he made everything, when i talk about energy think about it, he made that energy, it's not luck, when einstein said , god don't have luck in his eyes, he knewed about it. and we do use einsteins theory in life, funny isen't it?

[th3matr1x]

the last post was for endura

[Tavernology]

All theories are flawed. I think Einstein said it best when he said "100 experiments cannot prove me right, but only 1 can prove me wrong" Or something like that. We cannot ever truly know how everything started, and if we were to ever succeed in duplicating the Big Bang, we'd completely annhilate ourselves in the process. As the saying goes, curiosity killed the cat.

[th3matr1x]

you said it man, 1 can prove me wrong , einstein know it