Possble Next Filesharng Prog

MrSmith · 15th September 2003, 10:10

Surely someone should write a filesharing prog that encypts everything a stupid number of times and makes it really hard and slow to track people ? and more importantly doesnt look like it is so trackers get false information ?

just an idea thats probably been done..

Also have all data routed thu the program on other uses PC's say thu 100 or so users all of which dont have the song, if the data was routed via the program, and the source information lost then it would be alot harder to track ? yes it would be slower but i think slower is better than a fine

fwgx · 15th September 2003, 12:13

You mean like WASTE developed by Justin Frankel from Nullsoft who later quit Nullsoft over the affair?

DJHotIce · 15th September 2003, 12:16

wha wha wha... Justin Gone? I heard about it, but is it true?
didn't get the whole story..

but anywyas, great IDEA!

MrSmith · 15th September 2003, 12:17

Hmm, i never said the winamp team..... it was just an idea for someone looking for a project

fwgx · 15th September 2003, 14:35

Read more here: http://www.philybaby.co.uk/news/justinquitsnullsoft.htm

In March 2000, Nullsoft briefly posted a decentralized file-sharing program called Gnutella before it was axed by AOL. But the genie had been set free, and other developers refined the code to create post-Napster file-sharing programs.

Nullsoft's latest creation was a file-sharing program that allowed users to set up secure networks of no more than 50 people.

Within hours of its posting, Waste was deleted. In its place was a notice that said the program had been posted without Nullsoft's permission.

``If you downloaded or otherwise obtained a copy of the software, you acquired no lawful rights to the software and must destroy any and all copies of the software, including by deleting it from your computer,'' the statement said. ``Any license that you may believe you acquired with the software is void, revoked and terminated.''

Frankel, who is called ``Our Benevolent Dictator'' on the Nullsoft site, founded the company in 1998 after dropping out of the University of Utah.

zootm · 15th September 2003, 18:58

Quote:

Originally posted by Phily Baby
Read more here: http://www.philybaby.co.uk/news/justinquitsnullsoft.htm

if you're gonna put so much effort into imitating a news website, at least obscure the fact it's hosted on your site, phily...

Mr Jones · 15th September 2003, 19:02

And to keep the record straight , Justin didn't quit Nullsoft and is still actively developing new versions of Winamp and other tasty goodies.

k_rock923 · 15th September 2003, 20:07

i'd love a program like that. if anyone writes it ill be first in line to download it. not that ill be able to download that much with my 56k modem and all

mikm · 15th September 2003, 20:10

...like AVS. There was an article toady in the New York times about various filesharing programs that encrypted and whatnot. To access them, you had to know their code-name though.

DJHotIce · 15th September 2003, 21:03

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Jones
And to keep the record straight , Justin didn't quit Nullsoft and is still actively developing new versions of Winamp and other tasty goodies.

Thanks Mr Jones, that really helped me out... Justin quitin would be a catastrophy much like urmmm I dunno

Nullsoft = winamp
winamp = Justin
thus
Justin = Nullsoft

you remove Justin Nullsoft just plain doesn't exist!

fwgx · 15th September 2003, 21:20

Quote:

Originally posted by zootm
if you're gonna put so much effort into imitating a news website, at least obscure the fact it's hosted on your site, phily...

Shurrup. someone in ******* asked me to host it because they too couldn't be arsed to register at the NYT site. so I opend the page saved it and upped it :P.

I never knew that Jonsey, I thought he'd gone. Oh well good news I suppose. Woulda been better if he'd quit and then developed a new version of WASTE with no AOL baggage

.

killswitch1968 · 16th September 2003, 00:12

The best file sharing program will have:

1. Superb indexing - ability to retrieve results quickly and globally.
2. Decetralization - obvious, and prevents the network from falling.
3. Hashing - unique fingerprinting of every file to prevent fake files.
4. Anti-leech method - SOME type of unhackable method of preventing leechers.
5. Multiple File Types support
6. No form of adware/spyware/anything

Content is also important, but you need a good prog before anyone will come. It's the network that is important. There are other minor things like bandwidth throttling, skins, etc., but the above are very imporant.

k_rock923 · 16th September 2003, 00:55

hey killswitch, does ur alias have anything to do with the band killsiwitch engage?

baafie · 16th September 2003, 10:40

Quote:

Originally posted by killswitch1968
The best file sharing program will have:
1. Superb indexing - ability to retrieve results quickly and globally.
2. Decetralization - obvious, and prevents the network from falling.
3. Hashing - unique fingerprinting of every file to prevent fake files.
4. Anti-leech method - SOME type of unhackable method of preventing leechers.
5. Multiple File Types support
6. No form of adware/spyware/anything

7. Anonymity

Cylob · 16th September 2003, 10:47

What is a leecher? Is it someone who downloads and gives nothing in return? Or is it someone that does share but downloads 10 tracks at a time?

killswitch1968 · 16th September 2003, 15:36

Quote:

Originally posted by k_rock923
hey killswitch, does ur alias have anything to do with the band killsiwitch engage?

None at all, I don't like hardcore.

Anonymity would be a plus but it's almost impossible. Even the trendy file sharing programs like ES5 and filetopia are not anonymous, just trickier.

killswitch1968 · 16th September 2003, 15:38

Quote:

Originally posted by Cylob
What is a leecher? Is it someone who downloads and gives nothing in return?

Downloads but doesn't upload.

Kazaa fails many of these points. It's indexing isn't global and for 3 million users it doesn't have very good content. It doesn't have hashing and has spyware. It's anti-leech system is easy to hack as well.

s1138 · 16th September 2003, 16:31

i hear waste is quite nice if you know people who have lots of stuff to share

Cylob · 16th September 2003, 20:28

Quote:

Originally posted by killswitch1968
Downloads but doesn't upload.

Then let's burn the leachers!!!

The ultimate music-sharing package did exist (Audiogalaxy). The sadness.

Dude189ce · 16th September 2003, 20:54

http://waste.2mbit.com
download waste
there was an article about it in October's Popular Science
it doesn't take long to download

godoncrack · 16th September 2003, 21:56

but its useless if you don't know other people using it

baafie · 16th September 2003, 22:20

Start your own network and invite your friends, then..

DJHotIce · 16th September 2003, 22:27

bammy!

Cylob · 17th September 2003, 08:09

I'd be interested in using Waste (for those legal songs and roms).

However, you'd have to be able to trust the other networkers.

fwgx · 17th September 2003, 09:56

More likely they have to trust you as they probably already trust each other

.

Cylob · 17th September 2003, 09:58

I don't even trust myself.

fwgx · 17th September 2003, 13:25

Good luck then

:P.

Cylob · 17th September 2003, 14:59

I could have an exlcusive p2p network of just 1 person then. Though there won't be a great deal of file sharing.

duh · 18th September 2003, 21:07

what the hell, i thought you weren't suppose to post links to waste

15th September 2003, 10:10	#1
MrSmith Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: - Posts: 28	Possble Next Filesharng Prog Surely someone should write a filesharing prog that encypts everything a stupid number of times and makes it really hard and slow to track people ? and more importantly doesnt look like it is so trackers get false information ? just an idea thats probably been done.. Also have all data routed thu the program on other uses PC's say thu 100 or so users all of which dont have the song, if the data was routed via the program, and the source information lost then it would be alot harder to track ? yes it would be slower but i think slower is better than a fine

15th September 2003, 12:13	#2
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,314	You mean like WASTE developed by Justin Frankel from Nullsoft who later quit Nullsoft over the affair? "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

15th September 2003, 12:16	#3
DJHotIce Forum Loser (Forum King) Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: That place I can't remember the name. Posts: 4,617	wha wha wha... Justin Gone? I heard about it, but is it true? didn't get the whole story.. but anywyas, great IDEA! -DJHotIce Bounce Multimedia - Professional Web Design

15th September 2003, 14:35	#5
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,314	Read more here: http://www.philybaby.co.uk/news/justinquitsnullsoft.htm In March 2000, Nullsoft briefly posted a decentralized file-sharing program called Gnutella before it was axed by AOL. But the genie had been set free, and other developers refined the code to create post-Napster file-sharing programs. Nullsoft's latest creation was a file-sharing program that allowed users to set up secure networks of no more than 50 people. Within hours of its posting, Waste was deleted. In its place was a notice that said the program had been posted without Nullsoft's permission. ``If you downloaded or otherwise obtained a copy of the software, you acquired no lawful rights to the software and must destroy any and all copies of the software, including by deleting it from your computer,'' the statement said. ``Any license that you may believe you acquired with the software is void, revoked and terminated.'' Frankel, who is called ``Our Benevolent Dictator'' on the Nullsoft site, founded the company in 1998 after dropping out of the University of Utah. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

15th September 2003, 20:07	#8
k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,850	i'd love a program like that. if anyone writes it ill be first in line to download it. not that ill be able to download that much with my 56k modem and all Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

15th September 2003, 12:17	#4
MrSmith Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: - Posts: 28	Hmm, i never said the winamp team..... it was just an idea for someone looking for a project

15th September 2003, 19:02	#7
Mr Jones Nothing to say... Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: UK Posts: 23,098	And to keep the record straight , Justin didn't quit Nullsoft and is still actively developing new versions of Winamp and other tasty goodies.

15th September 2003, 20:10	#9
mikm Major Dude Join Date: May 2001 Location: somewhere else Posts: 1,286	...like AVS. There was an article toady in the New York times about various filesharing programs that encrypted and whatnot. To access them, you had to know their code-name though. powered by C₈H₁₀N₄O₂

16th September 2003, 00:12	#12
killswitch1968 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sverige Posts: 434	My thoughts: The best file sharing program will have: 1. Superb indexing - ability to retrieve results quickly and globally. 2. Decetralization - obvious, and prevents the network from falling. 3. Hashing - unique fingerprinting of every file to prevent fake files. 4. Anti-leech method - SOME type of unhackable method of preventing leechers. 5. Multiple File Types support 6. No form of adware/spyware/anything Content is also important, but you need a good prog before anyone will come. It's the network that is important. There are other minor things like bandwidth throttling, skins, etc., but the above are very imporant. They say if you play a Microsoft CD backwards you hear satanic messages. That's nothing, if you play it forwards it installs Windows.

16th September 2003, 00:55	#13
k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,850	hey killswitch, does ur alias have anything to do with the band killsiwitch engage? Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

16th September 2003, 10:47	#15
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	What is a leecher? Is it someone who downloads and gives nothing in return? Or is it someone that does share but downloads 10 tracks at a time? Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

16th September 2003, 16:31	#18
s1138 Alumni? Join Date: May 2000 Location: joja Posts: 6,936	i hear waste is quite nice if you know people who have lots of stuff to share

16th September 2003, 20:54	#20
Dude189ce Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1	http://waste.2mbit.com download waste there was an article about it in October's Popular Science it doesn't take long to download

16th September 2003, 21:56	#21
godoncrack Forum King Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: http://www.mossad.gov.il Posts: 2,135	but its useless if you don't know other people using it sin is human

16th September 2003, 22:20	#22
baafie feminazi (Major Dude) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,767	Start your own network and invite your friends, then..

16th September 2003, 22:27	#23
DJHotIce Forum Loser (Forum King) Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: That place I can't remember the name. Posts: 4,617	bammy! -DJHotIce Bounce Multimedia - Professional Web Design

17th September 2003, 08:09	#24
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	I'd be interested in using Waste (for those legal songs and roms). However, you'd have to be able to trust the other networkers. Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

17th September 2003, 09:56	#25
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,314	More likely they have to trust you as they probably already trust each other . "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

17th September 2003, 09:58	#26
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	I don't even trust myself. Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

17th September 2003, 13:25	#27
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,314	Good luck then :P. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

17th September 2003, 14:59	#28
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	I could have an exlcusive p2p network of just 1 person then. Though there won't be a great deal of file sharing. Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

18th September 2003, 21:07	#29
duh Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 290	what the hell, i thought you weren't suppose to post links to waste

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