DLL error stopping installer run

Afrow UK · 19th September 2003, 20:57

"This application has failed to start because CRTDLL.DLL was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem."

This is what one of my user's is getting.

What is the problem, and how is it fixed?
Is this a Windows 95 issue?

-Stu

psyke · 20th September 2003, 04:25

Have you asked the user to search their system for crtdll.dll?

Maybe whatever you're running needs this .dll - that's what the error message indicates anyway, though they're not always accurate.

The .dll seems to come even with early versions of win95... you can get some more info here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default...on/dllinfo.asp

Afrow UK · 20th September 2003, 09:47

I knew it was Windows95 problem (even though I didn't know that he ran Windows95)
I seem to remember from an older topic that it comes with InternetExplorer I think...

I'll look into it.

-Stu

kichik · 20th September 2003, 10:20

It means a DLL you're trying to register or an application you're trying to execute is missing CRTDLL.DLL and can't load without it. You can use Dependency Walker to find out which one it is.

Afrow UK · 20th September 2003, 10:48

Ah ok, well the only other things being used are InstallOptions, 7-zip (command line), Banner, and Brainsucker's NotifyIcon plugin.

-Stu

kichik · 20th September 2003, 10:52

7-zip requires CRT.

Actually, it requires MSVCRT.dll, not CRTDLL.dll. Try using 7za.exe instead of 7zan.exe. The former doesn't require MSVCRT.dll.

Joost Verburg · 20th September 2003, 10:55

You can also compile a static 7-zip version.

Afrow UK · 20th September 2003, 13:17

I'm using 7za.exe

-Stu

Afrow UK · 20th September 2003, 13:49

I've just grabbed the latest 7za, but I need to wait till makensis with 8192 NSIS_MAX_STRLEN is available before I can re-compile my installer (I'm running latest CVS with latest features, but my installer only works properly with extended string length).

-Stu

Joost Verburg · 20th September 2003, 14:05

7za does not require this DLL, so it should be another application you are using.

For the compiler, see http://winprog.org/tutorial/msvc.html

Afrow UK · 20th September 2003, 14:23

Thanks for that.
I will ask the user exactly when it happens.

-Stu

Afrow UK · 21st September 2003, 16:59

My user says he is running Windows XP.
My installer was using an old 7za.exe, so I have downloaded the new version, and hopefully it will be fixed now.

I'm really unhappy that the latest (February) Microsoft Core SDK has had the VS6 compiler removed, which has stopped me from compiling makensis myself.

I just need a recompile of makensis with the 8129 NSIS_MAX_STRLEN set.

-Stu

Joost Verburg · 21st September 2003, 17:05

Why not use the .NET SDK?

kichik · 21st September 2003, 17:13

The core SDK doesn't contain any compiler (besides the 64-bit compiler it seems), just header files, examples and libraries. It's the .NET SDK that should contain the compiler.

Afrow UK · 22nd September 2003, 18:08

I do have the .NET SDK, but the tutorial said that the .NET SDK doesn't come with any C/C++ compilers, but the Core SDK does.
I'll have a good look for it, but it's not called CL.EXE.

Edit: windows\microsoft.net\..\CSC.EXE seems to be the C compiler.

-Stu

Afrow UK · 22nd September 2003, 18:19

Now, trying to compile any of the nsis source brings up tonnes of compile errors.
Is this because the compiler is .net syntax specific?

-Stu

kichik · 22nd September 2003, 18:24

CSC sounds like C# compiler. C# and C/C++ are not the same language, I doubt that compiler will work. According to that page we directed you at there should be a C compiler there. Are you sure you have installed it all? Were there any options to check/uncheck during installation?

Quote:

Microsoft has quietly released it's command line compiler and linker tools as part of the .NET Framework SDK. The Framework SDK comes with everything you need to for .NET development (C# compiler etc...) including the command line compiler cl.exe which, while it's intended for use with the .NET framework, is the same compiler that comes with Visual C++ Standard.

Afrow UK · 22nd September 2003, 18:57

There is a cl.exe with the Core SDK, but is for 64-bit programs.
The .NET SDK doesn't have a cl.exe.
I don't recal having any options to choose from on the .NET SDK installer.
It just did a small check and then installed.

-Stu

kichik · 22nd September 2003, 19:01

I'll try to get a computer to check it on soon. According to that page it should be there, maybe you can try going to that #winprog IRC channel and ask. They wrote the page, they should know, heh

Joost Verburg · 22nd September 2003, 19:21

The .NET SDK should include a compiler, not the Core SDK (that one contains libs/headers).

Afrow UK · 22nd September 2003, 19:32

I'm going to extremes now, and searching my whole hard drive for cl.exe!

-Stu

Afrow UK · 22nd September 2003, 19:39

Success, well, sort of...

I found the proper C++ compiler: C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\Vc7\bin\cl.exe
However, it won't run!!
"This application has failed to start because mspdb71.dll was not found. Re-installing this..."

I'll attempt to re-install the .NET SDK afterk school tomorrow.
Thanks for the help too!!

Oh, BTW, I've just finished a whole D-Day command-line stats program written in QuickBasic. God damn QB is so easy, and so logical!
I'm hoping that this will help towards programming in college.

-Stu

kichik · 22nd September 2003, 19:45

Does it work if you call cl.exe from the command line without any path? If it doesn't, it's probably because you haven't set the path and that would explain the DLL not found error.

Quote:

Remember to check the options to Register Environment Variables in both SDKs, otherwise you'll need to set up the PATH and other variables yourself before the tools will work from the command line.

Afrow UK · 24th September 2003, 19:09

Aha!
I ran sdkvars.bat, and that set up the environment variables!
The compiler now runs without the error.

Now, when running the compiler on makefile, it says that makefile.obj is missing...
Does that need to be created?

-Stu

Joost Verburg · 24th September 2003, 20:32

Makefile is an outdated file for mingw32. You probably have to use nmake with a makefile generated by Visual Studio.

Afrow UK · 27th September 2003, 10:17

I have given up on trying to compile it myself.

Running the sdkvars batch no longer works, and I can't run the linker or the compiler.
I don't seem to have any resources to do the makefile, and the documentation refers to VS for everything that I need to do (which I don't have)

Please can someone recompile makensis this last time for me!
I want to release my final installer which fixes the missing 7za dll problem, with some of the latest NSIS CVS changes too.

-Stu

kichik · 27th September 2003, 11:21

Same URL.

Afrow UK · 27th September 2003, 11:44

Thanks very very much!

I won't bother you anymore; this installer is final.

-Stu

19th September 2003, 20:57	#1
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	DLL error stopping installer run "This application has failed to start because CRTDLL.DLL was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem." This is what one of my user's is getting. What is the problem, and how is it fixed? Is this a Windows 95 issue? -Stu

20th September 2003, 10:20	#4
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	It means a DLL you're trying to register or an application you're trying to execute is missing CRTDLL.DLL and can't load without it. You can use Dependency Walker to find out which one it is. NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

20th September 2003, 10:52	#6
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	7-zip requires CRT. Actually, it requires MSVCRT.dll, not CRTDLL.dll. Try using 7za.exe instead of 7zan.exe. The former doesn't require MSVCRT.dll. NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

21st September 2003, 17:13	#14
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	The core SDK doesn't contain any compiler (besides the 64-bit compiler it seems), just header files, examples and libraries. It's the .NET SDK that should contain the compiler. NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

22nd September 2003, 19:01	#19
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	I'll try to get a computer to check it on soon. According to that page it should be there, maybe you can try going to that #winprog IRC channel and ask. They wrote the page, they should know, heh NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

20th September 2003, 04:25	#2
psyke Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 65	Have you asked the user to search their system for crtdll.dll? Maybe whatever you're running needs this .dll - that's what the error message indicates anyway, though they're not always accurate. The .dll seems to come even with early versions of win95... you can get some more info here: http://support.microsoft.com/default...on/dllinfo.asp

20th September 2003, 09:47	#3
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	I knew it was Windows95 problem (even though I didn't know that he ran Windows95) I seem to remember from an older topic that it comes with InternetExplorer I think... I'll look into it. -Stu

20th September 2003, 10:48	#5
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	Ah ok, well the only other things being used are InstallOptions, 7-zip (command line), Banner, and Brainsucker's NotifyIcon plugin. -Stu

20th September 2003, 10:55	#7
Joost Verburg NSIS MUI Dev Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,717	You can also compile a static 7-zip version.

20th September 2003, 13:17	#8
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	I'm using 7za.exe -Stu

20th September 2003, 13:49	#9
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	I've just grabbed the latest 7za, but I need to wait till makensis with 8192 NSIS_MAX_STRLEN is available before I can re-compile my installer (I'm running latest CVS with latest features, but my installer only works properly with extended string length). -Stu

20th September 2003, 14:05	#10
Joost Verburg NSIS MUI Dev Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,717	7za does not require this DLL, so it should be another application you are using. For the compiler, see http://winprog.org/tutorial/msvc.html

20th September 2003, 14:23	#11
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	Thanks for that. I will ask the user exactly when it happens. -Stu

21st September 2003, 16:59	#12
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	My user says he is running Windows XP. My installer was using an old 7za.exe, so I have downloaded the new version, and hopefully it will be fixed now. I'm really unhappy that the latest (February) Microsoft Core SDK has had the VS6 compiler removed, which has stopped me from compiling makensis myself. I just need a recompile of makensis with the 8129 NSIS_MAX_STRLEN set. -Stu

21st September 2003, 17:05	#13
Joost Verburg NSIS MUI Dev Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,717	Why not use the .NET SDK?

22nd September 2003, 18:08	#15
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	I do have the .NET SDK, but the tutorial said that the .NET SDK doesn't come with any C/C++ compilers, but the Core SDK does. I'll have a good look for it, but it's not called CL.EXE. Edit: windows\microsoft.net\..\CSC.EXE seems to be the C compiler. -Stu

22nd September 2003, 18:19	#16
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	Now, trying to compile any of the nsis source brings up tonnes of compile errors. Is this because the compiler is .net syntax specific? -Stu

22nd September 2003, 18:57	#18
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	There is a cl.exe with the Core SDK, but is for 64-bit programs. The .NET SDK doesn't have a cl.exe. I don't recal having any options to choose from on the .NET SDK installer. It just did a small check and then installed. -Stu

22nd September 2003, 19:21	#20
Joost Verburg NSIS MUI Dev Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,717	The .NET SDK should include a compiler, not the Core SDK (that one contains libs/headers).

22nd September 2003, 19:32	#21
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	I'm going to extremes now, and searching my whole hard drive for cl.exe! -Stu

22nd September 2003, 19:39	#22
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	Success, well, sort of... I found the proper C++ compiler: C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\Vc7\bin\cl.exe However, it won't run!! "This application has failed to start because mspdb71.dll was not found. Re-installing this..." I'll attempt to re-install the .NET SDK afterk school tomorrow. Thanks for the help too!! Oh, BTW, I've just finished a whole D-Day command-line stats program written in QuickBasic. God damn QB is so easy, and so logical! I'm hoping that this will help towards programming in college. -Stu

24th September 2003, 19:09	#24
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	Aha! I ran sdkvars.bat, and that set up the environment variables! The compiler now runs without the error. Now, when running the compiler on makefile, it says that makefile.obj is missing... Does that need to be created? -Stu

24th September 2003, 20:32	#25
Joost Verburg NSIS MUI Dev Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,717	Makefile is an outdated file for mingw32. You probably have to use nmake with a makefile generated by Visual Studio.

27th September 2003, 10:17	#26
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	I have given up on trying to compile it myself. Running the sdkvars batch no longer works, and I can't run the linker or the compiler. I don't seem to have any resources to do the makefile, and the documentation refers to VS for everything that I need to do (which I don't have) Please can someone recompile makensis this last time for me! I want to release my final installer which fixes the missing 7za dll problem, with some of the latest NSIS CVS changes too. -Stu

27th September 2003, 11:21	#27
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	Same URL. NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

27th September 2003, 11:44	#28
Afrow UK Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 8,434	Thanks very very much! I won't bother you anymore; this installer is final. -Stu

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