The great metaphyscical question: MP3 encoding quality

nybergh · 26th September 2003, 08:35

In the computer world, few things can cause as intensive discussion as MP3 bit rates, and MP3 rippers/encoders.
I would like to know the following things:
How do YOU encode MP3:s (bitrate, channel mode, encoder, ripper)? When a buddy gives his favourite alums rippeded with WinMediaPlayer or RealONE to WMA or MP3 @ 128 kbps, do you give him a 10 min lesson in EAC? Or when your flipped out audiophile-friend gives you 324 kbps CBR normal stereo? Do you have a name for people just ARE STUPID in these things.
I use CDex and LAME @ VBR 112-224 kbps with quality factor 3. Encoding quality 2 & Joint Stereo.
Please, C'mon say what you think. Am I an idiot in your eyes? 'Cos you are in mine.

nybergh · 26th September 2003, 08:47

I WOULD use OGG, but I have an MP3-CDplayer in very frequent use and i want to have a long playlist in the GTA-MP3radio. Does anybody by the way know if there's an MP3cdplayer that supports OGG or MP4???

Cylob · 26th September 2003, 09:40

MP3 - 128kbps suits me fine, ripped on MusicMatch.

I don't care what people say, I can hardly distinguish it from a CD.

nybergh · 26th September 2003, 10:28

No, I don't either hear any difference from a CD on 128 kbps on 20 €/$ multimedia "speakers", BUT i use my music collection to burn compilation albums on CD-R(W) that I listen to in HIFI:s, in cars or whatever. You WILL hear reduced quality with good speakers or headphones. I can hear difference even on my computer, I have 2 Labtec-speakers & Audigy 2.

Starbucks · 26th September 2003, 10:34

Can someone tell me if MP4 is compatable with mp3? I never got the chance to try MP4 in portable media players and such.

liquidmotion · 26th September 2003, 16:27

*cough* vbr sucks *cough*

192kbps ripped with enc_lame at the highest quality.

SSJ4 Gogitta · 26th September 2003, 16:45

No it doesnt.

Vie · 26th September 2003, 17:29

Depends on what it sucks...

..oh god.

deathazre · 26th September 2003, 17:39

Quote:

Originally posted by liquidmotion
*cough* vbr sucks *cough*

192kbps ripped with enc_lame at the highest quality.

vbr at 192kbps quality would be between 128-160 average bitrate, there's spots in almost all music where a high bitrate is not needed for the same quality. (read: silence at 32kbps)

dylman · 26th September 2003, 17:39

I rip my CDs with EAC secure mode, and encode them to Ogg q6.

tiger84 · 26th September 2003, 18:56

In Windows:
I use CDex to rip and to encode using the LAME codec at 192kbps.

In Linux.
I use Grip to rip and to encode also using the LAME codec at 192kbps.

nybergh · 2nd October 2003, 09:16

Quote:

*cough* vbr sucks *cough*

What? VBR is fantastic as a technology.
(I have't seen a single DVD without VBR video...). Non VBR musicfiles are WASTE OF SPACE. Same with Joint-Stereo. It's STUPID to not use it.
The only thing that sucks within VBR is the compability with some software and hardware, but I would say it's the incompatible hard/software that sucks.

Mike H. · 2nd October 2003, 15:07

What is joint stereo?

Vie · 2nd October 2003, 17:17

Its mono with atitude.

its the same signal out of both channels.

Krynis · 2nd October 2003, 17:41

i use Altec Lansing 251 Varsatile 5.1 with an audigy gamer and i notice the difference between 128 kbps 160 kbps quite easily

SSJ4 Gogitta · 2nd October 2003, 17:42

Quote:

Originally posted by mike_aitch
What is joint stereo?

Joint stereo is not two channels of mono. That would still make it mono. Here is an explination on what joint stereo is.

Vie · 2nd October 2003, 18:01

I stand corrected.

SSJ4 Gogitta · 2nd October 2003, 18:03

Quote:

Originally posted by Vie
I stand corrected.

nah, you can sit corrected, too, if you want.

Vie · 2nd October 2003, 18:17

Thanks, my feet were killing me...

deathazre · 2nd October 2003, 18:46

Quote:

Originally posted by mike_aitch
What is joint stereo?

one reefer on each side of your mouth

shabaviz55 · 2nd October 2003, 19:09

128kbps is the best for converting my songs.

26th September 2003, 08:35	#1
nybergh Dialup Junkie (Major Dude) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1,219	The great metaphyscical question: MP3 encoding quality In the computer world, few things can cause as intensive discussion as MP3 bit rates, and MP3 rippers/encoders. I would like to know the following things: How do YOU encode MP3:s (bitrate, channel mode, encoder, ripper)? When a buddy gives his favourite alums rippeded with WinMediaPlayer or RealONE to WMA or MP3 @ 128 kbps, do you give him a 10 min lesson in EAC? Or when your flipped out audiophile-friend gives you 324 kbps CBR normal stereo? Do you have a name for people just ARE STUPID in these things. I use CDex and LAME @ VBR 112-224 kbps with quality factor 3. Encoding quality 2 & Joint Stereo. Please, C'mon say what you think. Am I an idiot in your eyes? 'Cos you are in mine. See also:Radio Paradise, listener supported aac+ stream\|My home outside IRC\|Last.fm

26th September 2003, 08:47	#2
nybergh Dialup Junkie (Major Dude) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1,219	I WOULD use OGG, but I have an MP3-CDplayer in very frequent use and i want to have a long playlist in the GTA-MP3radio. Does anybody by the way know if there's an MP3cdplayer that supports OGG or MP4??? See also:Radio Paradise, listener supported aac+ stream\|My home outside IRC\|Last.fm

26th September 2003, 09:40	#3
Cylob Forum Music King (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Future Posts: 7,175	MP3 - 128kbps suits me fine, ripped on MusicMatch. I don't care what people say, I can hardly distinguish it from a CD. Secret Snacker & Accomplished Pen Thief At:

26th September 2003, 10:28	#4
nybergh Dialup Junkie (Major Dude) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1,219	No, I don't either hear any difference from a CD on 128 kbps on 20 €/$ multimedia "speakers", BUT i use my music collection to burn compilation albums on CD-R(W) that I listen to in HIFI:s, in cars or whatever. You WILL hear reduced quality with good speakers or headphones. I can hear difference even on my computer, I have 2 Labtec-speakers & Audigy 2. See also:Radio Paradise, listener supported aac+ stream\|My home outside IRC\|Last.fm

26th September 2003, 16:27	#6
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26th September 2003, 10:34	#5
Starbucks Forum King Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Forums Posts: 2,685	Can someone tell me if MP4 is compatable with mp3? I never got the chance to try MP4 in portable media players and such.

26th September 2003, 16:45	#7
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26th September 2003, 17:29	#8
Vie Forum King Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Thoron fields and Duranium shadows. Posts: Crap mostly Posts: 8,003	Depends on what it sucks... ..oh god. Member most in need of SpellCheck Lifetime Achievement Award I'm a Twitch Streamer these days, it's weird.

26th September 2003, 17:39	#10
dylman Forum King Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Hawarden Posts: 2,115	I rip my CDs with EAC secure mode, and encode them to Ogg q6. There's no need to tell me when I'm right; I operate on that principle exclusively and with absolute certainty

26th September 2003, 18:56	#11
tiger84 Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: 101010 Posts: 750	In Windows: I use CDex to rip and to encode using the LAME codec at 192kbps. In Linux. I use Grip to rip and to encode also using the LAME codec at 192kbps. If life calls and you're busy, let the answering machine pick-up. Just so you know, my previous avatar was NOT a swastika, nor did it have much similarity to one. Just thought I'd clear that up since I cannot use my own original art work.

2nd October 2003, 15:07	#13
Mike H. Forum Esperantist (Major Dude) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,135	What is joint stereo?

2nd October 2003, 17:17	#14
Vie Forum King Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Thoron fields and Duranium shadows. Posts: Crap mostly Posts: 8,003	Its mono with atitude. its the same signal out of both channels. Member most in need of SpellCheck Lifetime Achievement Award I'm a Twitch Streamer these days, it's weird.

2nd October 2003, 17:41	#15
Krynis Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada B.C. Posts: 666 Posts: 771	i use Altec Lansing 251 Varsatile 5.1 with an audigy gamer and i notice the difference between 128 kbps 160 kbps quite easily

2nd October 2003, 18:01	#17
Vie Forum King Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Thoron fields and Duranium shadows. Posts: Crap mostly Posts: 8,003	I stand corrected. Member most in need of SpellCheck Lifetime Achievement Award I'm a Twitch Streamer these days, it's weird.

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2nd October 2003, 19:09	#21
shabaviz55 Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Arak, Iran Posts: 639	128kbps is the best for converting my songs.

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