iPod

apollos · 21st January 2004, 14:51

I know there are threads about the iPod, and I did use search, just I couldn't find the specific thread I was looking for so please don't moan at me for starting a new thread =/

I was wondering if anybody here has an issue with the battery of the iPod? It claims it will last around 8 hours, though in reality often it will last 5, sometimes 3, and sometimes if I leave it alone for a long time, more energy is sapped out due to the clock, and supposedly the ipod not actually switching off, just being more so on a standby mode?

Could anybody shed some light on this please, share their experiences with it?

[edit] wrong forum, could someone please move this to Gen Discussion, thanks [/edit]

Russ · 21st January 2004, 16:11

Not at all - I've had situations where I've listened to it on a an hour-long journey at the beginning of the day, then I've accidentally left it playing in my bag throughout the whole day, and it's still had enough juice to survive the journey back home. Probably more than 8 hours.

I agree that the standby/off time is appalling - it will only last a day or two in the "off" state before being completely discharged, although I almost always keep it in its cradle, so it's not a problem for me.

Raz · 21st January 2004, 16:35

My zen battery has lasted about 12 hours so far. And is user replaceable. I'm sure your sleek design is enough to warrant the extra cost.

BAH.

mark · 21st January 2004, 16:52

not <3 to minidisk, i want a HD based player

Russ · 21st January 2004, 16:56

The iPod's battery is user replacable.

Vie · 21st January 2004, 17:02

I'm still keeping my MiniDisk, its small, light, carries huge amounts of music in compact format. But best of all, I dont have to spend over a £10 on batteries just to replace it! (I've taken to using recharables, I'm still on the first set, wich for under £3 for four is a lot more cost effective.)

lunarboy1 · 21st January 2004, 17:09

expensive batteries suck

apollos · 21st January 2004, 19:12

OK, people are gonna think I'm crazy. I took back my iPod today so I could get it from amazon.com for like 130 quid cheaper, turns out they don't ship to the US, so afterschool tomorrow I'm going out to buy a new iPod

SSJ4 Gogitta · 21st January 2004, 19:28

why would amazon.COM not ship to the US? My friend orders from there all the time and has no problem getting his packages. amazon.CO.UK might not ship to the US, but if you're talking in "quid", you shouldnt even worry about shipping to the US, or even amazon.COM, as you're in England.

deathazre · 21st January 2004, 19:35

karma > ipod

apollos · 22nd January 2004, 14:56

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
why would amazon.COM not ship to the US? My friend orders from there all the time and has no problem getting his packages. amazon.CO.UK might not ship to the US, but if you're talking in "quid", you shouldnt even worry about shipping to the US, or even amazon.COM, as you're in England.

I meant to the UK

mark · 22nd January 2004, 16:22

my minidisc player has died after a year of ownership. Time for an ipod/muvo zen

james · 22nd January 2004, 17:08

MD > *

mark · 22nd January 2004, 17:11

translation?

s0be · 22nd January 2004, 18:00

I still love my neuros.

s0be

james · 22nd January 2004, 18:02

Quote:

Originally posted by Nobby Nobbs
translation?

minidisc is better than everything

mark · 22nd January 2004, 18:06

but mine broke, they dont store as much as "everything" theyre loud ( could hear mine with the headphones fairly loud, teh remote broke within 3 months, theyre bigger, theyre heaver, they have moving parts to break, you loose quality recording to them, with the exception of NETmd they areslow to record.

NEED I SAY MORE?

james · 22nd January 2004, 18:11

40 hours battery life off of 1 AA, beat that iPod

interchangeable storage medium - ha!

My remote works 100%, it even has a radio built in, and it's 2.5 years old.

I'll think you'll find that iPods and their ilk have moving parts too. And oh guess what - MP3 is a lossy format just like ATRAC

My stereo does 2x CD->MD which ain't bad considering how long it takes to rip CDs to PC etc.

Also one big advantage - PRICE. MD is cheap.

NEED I SAY MORE? (ur pwnt)

mark · 22nd January 2004, 18:14

MD is NOT cheap compared to 10GB hard drive players.

Vie · 22nd January 2004, 18:15

Erm, mine cost less than £100

Its headphones can be silent if you wish (I dont give a damn, just as long as its loud for me) its recording loss is neglegable if you know what your doing. It has a dule optical/3.5mm analoge jack input, decent battery life, cheep disks, easyish interface.

No hardwear issues, no need to load special softwear to use it, jogproof, hardwearing (Its lasted two weeks for me, ie about two months for anybody elce) its compact... ..need I go on?

james · 22nd January 2004, 18:18

Er, sure it is, you can get a recording MD player for £80 and that's a sony ¬_¬

I think you're speaking shit

[edit]

Vie beat me - go Vie!! ^_^

[/edit]

mark · 22nd January 2004, 18:35

i meant disc spin up

[edit] and compared to an ipod, its a brick[/edit]

james · 22nd January 2004, 18:42

spin up for what? iPods have to fucking spin up dude!

What's a brick? this?
(Sony MD Walkman, 10mm thick, 55g)

mark · 22nd January 2004, 18:47

OK, MY minidisk had extra-loud spin-up. and its still a big awkward square, isnt it?

james · 22nd January 2004, 18:51

it's a fuckload smaller than an iPod. :P

My MD player's not 100% silent, but then it is quite old, and who cares when you've got headphones in anyway?

The only thing the iPod has over my MD player is a backlight, imho.

Vie · 22nd January 2004, 18:52

it fits in the palm of your hand...

[edit]
Ok you beat me this time!

Also anougher MD feature - Unlike an Ipod you dont have to worry quite as much about em feilds.

Though I will admit, it takes up to a second to get to some tracks when its highly compressed.

mark · 22nd January 2004, 19:01

ok, i wont argue anymore, but I would rather have my entire 1000 track collection at my fingertips. I never know what I'll wanna listen to.

(66 hours 30 mins and 44 seconds according to winamp.)

Russ · 22nd January 2004, 19:15

You'd need 219 conventional minidiscs, or 48 LP minidiscs to match the playing time of a 15Gb iPod.

Try telling me that your wonderful 10mm walkman plus 48 disks is smaller than an iPod, whilst also disputing the fact that ATRAC3plus used in the LP minidisc is inferior to 128k MP3.

As well as that, at a cost of £1 per minidisc, you've got to pay another £50 on top of your £80 player, purely for enough media to come close to the 15Gb model.

(and that's in comparison to the iPod, which is hardly the bargain basement of HD media players)

apollos · 22nd January 2004, 19:52

that's 584 minidisks needed to fit all the music my 40GB can fit on it. So size wise, with all those minidisks, and the player, anyone say Mount Everdisk?

I have a minidisk player, I put it in the loft now cos I don't really need it.

Coman · 23rd January 2004, 02:23

why do you like hd better than minidisk, cause im looking at this matter right now trying to decide on mp3 player, and i would like to know advantages. from what i know hd are bigger, heavier, and make lots of noise. but that 10gb archos for nearly $200 is drawing me bad.

apollos · 23rd January 2004, 07:33

My iPod HDD makes no sound, doesn't vibrate or anything, the only chance I have of hearing it remotely is in a quiet room with my ear right up to the case.

Also, my MD player was a little heavier than my iPod, and quite frankly, if you consider the iPod heavy and / or large, you are a pussy that should be slapped around a lot till you get your pussy ass into the gym

The above is also true of the Karma, maybe not the iRiver, but iRiver who?

Vie · 23rd January 2004, 17:28

Andrew, a minidisk player weighs zero. I dont need more than 1 gig at any time anyway, I like long tracks that I mix together (12mins + 8mins +14mins I'm talking.) as opposed to short teenie boper songs.

apollos · 23rd January 2004, 18:28

Ian, if my iPod was any lighter, you wouldn't need to be a pro pick pocket to steal it from me, because I wouldn't be able to feel it's existance in the first place!

And the second part of your argument is totally irrelevant to the minidisk vs mp3 player argument, though that might be your intention, and my wrong interpretation.

KelseyB · 24th January 2004, 02:07

okay, having owned both (i traded my brother my minidisk for his ps2 since i was getting a hdd for free), i can say something. yay. hdd is nice because its very versitile. you can use it as a portable hdd as well as music playback. its possible to retrieve the songs off the hdd, while sony md players do not let you do that at all. MD has longer battery life but smaller storage and it does take longer to go through only 5 hours of your library (66kbs format). its all a matter of preference, how much you can spend and how much you want to be able to haul around with you.

speaking of my hdd, would anybody like to buy it? retail $399, slightly used philips hdd100/17 15gig

Coman · 24th January 2004, 14:39

Quote:

Originally posted by Apollos
maybe not the iRiver, but iRiver who?

what do you mean by that, cause i just found this iRiver iHP 100 10GB for $300 and want to buy it. and i heard that iRiver is good.

apollos · 24th January 2004, 19:55

It's a brick, in my opinion. It's not a bad player, it's just he shape and size is kinda shyte.

Viper007Bond · 24th January 2004, 21:40

Quote:

Originally posted by deathazre
karma > ipod

neuros > karma > ipod

Pussybot Robo · 25th January 2004, 04:34

Yr iPod battery will last lots longer if you use the manual shutdown (hold down play for 2 secs) instead of letting it go to standby. Mine gets about 12 hours to the charge but it's a 2nd gen. The 3rd gen has a smaller battery.

21st January 2004, 14:51	#1
apollos Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canterbury & Plymouth Posts: 4,176	iPod I know there are threads about the iPod, and I did use search, just I couldn't find the specific thread I was looking for so please don't moan at me for starting a new thread =/ I was wondering if anybody here has an issue with the battery of the iPod? It claims it will last around 8 hours, though in reality often it will last 5, sometimes 3, and sometimes if I leave it alone for a long time, more energy is sapped out due to the clock, and supposedly the ipod not actually switching off, just being more so on a standby mode? Could anybody shed some light on this please, share their experiences with it? [edit] wrong forum, could someone please move this to Gen Discussion, thanks [/edit]

21st January 2004, 16:11	#2
Russ Mostly Harmless (Alumni) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,319	Not at all - I've had situations where I've listened to it on a an hour-long journey at the beginning of the day, then I've accidentally left it playing in my bag throughout the whole day, and it's still had enough juice to survive the journey back home. Probably more than 8 hours. I agree that the standby/off time is appalling - it will only last a day or two in the "off" state before being completely discharged, although I almost always keep it in its cradle, so it's not a problem for me. For long you live and high you fly, but only if you ride the tide, and balanced on the biggest wave you race towards an early grave. \|Musicbrainz\|Audioscrobbler\|last.fm\|

21st January 2004, 16:56	#5
Russ Mostly Harmless (Alumni) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,319	The iPod's battery is user replacable. For long you live and high you fly, but only if you ride the tide, and balanced on the biggest wave you race towards an early grave. \|Musicbrainz\|Audioscrobbler\|last.fm\|

21st January 2004, 17:02	#6
Vie Forum King Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Thoron fields and Duranium shadows. Posts: Crap mostly Posts: 8,003	I'm still keeping my MiniDisk, its small, light, carries huge amounts of music in compact format. But best of all, I dont have to spend over a £10 on batteries just to replace it! (I've taken to using recharables, I'm still on the first set, wich for under £3 for four is a lot more cost effective.) Member most in need of SpellCheck Lifetime Achievement Award I'm a Twitch Streamer these days, it's weird.

21st January 2004, 17:09	#7
lunarboy1 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Somewhere, USA Posts: 2,233	expensive batteries suck www.bluni.com Ben Folds Lyrics Database

21st January 2004, 16:35	#3
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	My zen battery has lasted about 12 hours so far. And is user replaceable. I'm sure your sleek design is enough to warrant the extra cost. BAH.

21st January 2004, 16:52	#4
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	not <3 to minidisk, i want a HD based player

21st January 2004, 19:12	#8
apollos Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canterbury & Plymouth Posts: 4,176	OK, people are gonna think I'm crazy. I took back my iPod today so I could get it from amazon.com for like 130 quid cheaper, turns out they don't ship to the US, so afterschool tomorrow I'm going out to buy a new iPod

21st January 2004, 19:28	#9
SSJ4 Gogitta Followed by Gnomes (Forum King) Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: West Virginia Googolplex: 10^10¹°° FB:/SSJ4.DominusDeus DeviantArt: DominusDeus XboX GT: A Wild Meeseeks Playstation 4: DominusDeus Posts: 7,162	why would amazon.COM not ship to the US? My friend orders from there all the time and has no problem getting his packages. amazon.CO.UK might not ship to the US, but if you're talking in "quid", you shouldnt even worry about shipping to the US, or even amazon.COM, as you're in England.

21st January 2004, 19:35	#10
deathazre Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: behind the wheel of a Cat service truck Posts: 1,847	karma > ipod

22nd January 2004, 16:22	#12
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	my minidisc player has died after a year of ownership. Time for an ipod/muvo zen

22nd January 2004, 17:08	#13
james Forum PFY (Major Dude) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WR3 or NG7 Posts: 6.2+3i Posts: 1,698	MD > * He uses statistics like a drunk uses lamp-posts: for support, not illumination.

22nd January 2004, 17:11	#14
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	translation?

22nd January 2004, 18:00	#15
s0be Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: melbourne Posts: First Posts: 1,313	I still love my neuros. s0be And On that day, the Lords of the land said unto their Master Architect, "The temple you have made to the gods of Wasabi and Maki has brought us no great prosperity" and they sent out him into the lands. As he traveled to a far off land, he found he wasn't traveling alone, but that he had gained companions, and when they found their new land, they started work on a new temple, one that would be OPEN to all who wanted to worship. from The Book of Wasabi C 12 Vs 09 (pg 2003)

22nd January 2004, 18:06	#17
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	but mine broke, they dont store as much as "everything" theyre loud ( could hear mine with the headphones fairly loud, teh remote broke within 3 months, theyre bigger, theyre heaver, they have moving parts to break, you loose quality recording to them, with the exception of NETmd they areslow to record. NEED I SAY MORE?

22nd January 2004, 18:11	#18
james Forum PFY (Major Dude) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WR3 or NG7 Posts: 6.2+3i Posts: 1,698	40 hours battery life off of 1 AA, beat that iPod interchangeable storage medium - ha! My remote works 100%, it even has a radio built in, and it's 2.5 years old. I'll think you'll find that iPods and their ilk have moving parts too. And oh guess what - MP3 is a lossy format just like ATRAC My stereo does 2x CD->MD which ain't bad considering how long it takes to rip CDs to PC etc. Also one big advantage - PRICE. MD is cheap. NEED I SAY MORE? (ur pwnt) He uses statistics like a drunk uses lamp-posts: for support, not illumination.

22nd January 2004, 18:14	#19
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	MD is NOT cheap compared to 10GB hard drive players.

22nd January 2004, 18:15	#20
Vie Forum King Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Thoron fields and Duranium shadows. Posts: Crap mostly Posts: 8,003	Erm, mine cost less than £100 Its headphones can be silent if you wish (I dont give a damn, just as long as its loud for me) its recording loss is neglegable if you know what your doing. It has a dule optical/3.5mm analoge jack input, decent battery life, cheep disks, easyish interface. No hardwear issues, no need to load special softwear to use it, jogproof, hardwearing (Its lasted two weeks for me, ie about two months for anybody elce) its compact... ..need I go on? Member most in need of SpellCheck Lifetime Achievement Award I'm a Twitch Streamer these days, it's weird.

22nd January 2004, 18:18	#21
james Forum PFY (Major Dude) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WR3 or NG7 Posts: 6.2+3i Posts: 1,698	Er, sure it is, you can get a recording MD player for £80 and that's a sony ¬_¬ I think you're speaking shit [edit] Vie beat me - go Vie!! ^_^ [/edit] He uses statistics like a drunk uses lamp-posts: for support, not illumination.

22nd January 2004, 18:35	#22
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	i meant disc spin up [edit] and compared to an ipod, its a brick[/edit]

22nd January 2004, 18:42	#23
james Forum PFY (Major Dude) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WR3 or NG7 Posts: 6.2+3i Posts: 1,698	spin up for what? iPods have to fucking spin up dude! What's a brick? this? (Sony MD Walkman, 10mm thick, 55g) He uses statistics like a drunk uses lamp-posts: for support, not illumination.

22nd January 2004, 18:47	#24
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	OK, MY minidisk had extra-loud spin-up. and its still a big awkward square, isnt it?

22nd January 2004, 18:51	#25
james Forum PFY (Major Dude) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WR3 or NG7 Posts: 6.2+3i Posts: 1,698	it's a fuckload smaller than an iPod. :P My MD player's not 100% silent, but then it is quite old, and who cares when you've got headphones in anyway? The only thing the iPod has over my MD player is a backlight, imho. He uses statistics like a drunk uses lamp-posts: for support, not illumination.

22nd January 2004, 18:52	#26
Vie Forum King Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Thoron fields and Duranium shadows. Posts: Crap mostly Posts: 8,003	it fits in the palm of your hand... [edit] Ok you beat me this time! Also anougher MD feature - Unlike an Ipod you dont have to worry quite as much about em feilds. Though I will admit, it takes up to a second to get to some tracks when its highly compressed. Member most in need of SpellCheck Lifetime Achievement Award I'm a Twitch Streamer these days, it's weird.

22nd January 2004, 19:01	#27
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	ok, i wont argue anymore, but I would rather have my entire 1000 track collection at my fingertips. I never know what I'll wanna listen to. (66 hours 30 mins and 44 seconds according to winamp.)

22nd January 2004, 19:15	#28
Russ Mostly Harmless (Alumni) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,319	You'd need 219 conventional minidiscs, or 48 LP minidiscs to match the playing time of a 15Gb iPod. Try telling me that your wonderful 10mm walkman plus 48 disks is smaller than an iPod, whilst also disputing the fact that ATRAC3plus used in the LP minidisc is inferior to 128k MP3. As well as that, at a cost of £1 per minidisc, you've got to pay another £50 on top of your £80 player, purely for enough media to come close to the 15Gb model. (and that's in comparison to the iPod, which is hardly the bargain basement of HD media players) For long you live and high you fly, but only if you ride the tide, and balanced on the biggest wave you race towards an early grave. \|Musicbrainz\|Audioscrobbler\|last.fm\|

22nd January 2004, 19:52	#29
apollos Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canterbury & Plymouth Posts: 4,176	that's 584 minidisks needed to fit all the music my 40GB can fit on it. So size wise, with all those minidisks, and the player, anyone say Mount Everdisk? I have a minidisk player, I put it in the loft now cos I don't really need it.

23rd January 2004, 02:23	#30
Coman Punk (Forum King) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 4.5th dimension . . Posts: infinitely few Posts: 2,799	why do you like hd better than minidisk, cause im looking at this matter right now trying to decide on mp3 player, and i would like to know advantages. from what i know hd are bigger, heavier, and make lots of noise. but that 10gb archos for nearly $200 is drawing me bad. "Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?"

23rd January 2004, 07:33	#31
apollos Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canterbury & Plymouth Posts: 4,176	My iPod HDD makes no sound, doesn't vibrate or anything, the only chance I have of hearing it remotely is in a quiet room with my ear right up to the case. Also, my MD player was a little heavier than my iPod, and quite frankly, if you consider the iPod heavy and / or large, you are a pussy that should be slapped around a lot till you get your pussy ass into the gym The above is also true of the Karma, maybe not the iRiver, but iRiver who?

23rd January 2004, 17:28	#32
Vie Forum King Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Thoron fields and Duranium shadows. Posts: Crap mostly Posts: 8,003	Andrew, a minidisk player weighs zero. I dont need more than 1 gig at any time anyway, I like long tracks that I mix together (12mins + 8mins +14mins I'm talking.) as opposed to short teenie boper songs. Member most in need of SpellCheck Lifetime Achievement Award I'm a Twitch Streamer these days, it's weird.

23rd January 2004, 18:28	#33
apollos Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canterbury & Plymouth Posts: 4,176	Ian, if my iPod was any lighter, you wouldn't need to be a pro pick pocket to steal it from me, because I wouldn't be able to feel it's existance in the first place! And the second part of your argument is totally irrelevant to the minidisk vs mp3 player argument, though that might be your intention, and my wrong interpretation.

24th January 2004, 02:07	#34
KelseyB Major Dude Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,054	okay, having owned both (i traded my brother my minidisk for his ps2 since i was getting a hdd for free), i can say something. yay. hdd is nice because its very versitile. you can use it as a portable hdd as well as music playback. its possible to retrieve the songs off the hdd, while sony md players do not let you do that at all. MD has longer battery life but smaller storage and it does take longer to go through only 5 hours of your library (66kbs format). its all a matter of preference, how much you can spend and how much you want to be able to haul around with you. speaking of my hdd, would anybody like to buy it? retail $399, slightly used philips hdd100/17 15gig

24th January 2004, 19:55	#36
apollos Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canterbury & Plymouth Posts: 4,176	It's a brick, in my opinion. It's not a bad player, it's just he shape and size is kinda shyte.

25th January 2004, 04:34	#38
Pussybot Robo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15	Yr iPod battery will last lots longer if you use the manual shutdown (hold down play for 2 secs) instead of letting it go to standby. Mine gets about 12 hours to the charge but it's a 2nd gen. The 3rd gen has a smaller battery.

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