Legal

lore3k · 11th July 2004, 21:09

Ive read through alot of theese topics and i still am not sure if its Legal or Illegal to Broadcast Online Via Shoutcast. Now im only 13 i cant pay for any licenses or anything will i still be able to do it?

Dean Saliba · 11th July 2004, 21:16

If you play copyrighted music then you will have to pay fees.

What is wrong with unsigned music anyway?

lore3k · 11th July 2004, 21:18

so if i wanted to play Iron maiden for example i would have to pay?

LollipopLustKil · 11th July 2004, 21:36

You should, but you don't have to. Most people these days don't. Neither do I.

lore3k · 11th July 2004, 21:41

so its ok if i keep a playlist looping all day with a selection of songs from my favourite CD's?

LollipopLustKil · 11th July 2004, 21:42

Yep, that's what I've been doing.

lore3k · 11th July 2004, 21:47

Great!!!! that makes me so much happier Thanks so much for your Help.

Whats your Station called i wanna hear some other peoples stations to get an idea of how to do this stuff right.

LollipopLustKil · 11th July 2004, 22:01

http://69.135.226.16:8000/listen.pls

Wavestreaming · 11th July 2004, 22:06

Quote:

Originally posted by lore3k
so its ok if i keep a playlist looping all day with a selection of songs from my favourite CD's?

I'm not trying to put you off doing this, but just want to clarify...

No its not "OK" in legal terms just "coz other people do it". Ideally you should seek the relevant licenses.

HOWEVER - Most webcasters I know go on the basis that the licensing co's have bigger fish to fry.

If you want to do it, why not go for it there isnt anybody stopping you

lore3k · 11th July 2004, 22:14

so can they do anything to me Legally? like sue me or Bang me up in a jail somewhere?

protegechris · 11th July 2004, 22:56

They can sue you, which essentially your parents would be the ones fined.

The fine would vary, but the fees for one year are over 2000 dollars, and I'm sure someone else will tell you more than I can.

lore3k · 11th July 2004, 23:27

so it would be safer to schedule my radio to be only on at some times and days?

protegechris · 11th July 2004, 23:29

Not really, but you have to think, there are thousands of stations out there serving more listeners than you running illegally, who do you think they'll go for first?

HiddenPlanet · 11th July 2004, 23:35

I think Lore3k is an RIAA official in disguise...WATCH OUT!!!! It's all a conspiracy, and a ploy to keep the little guys like us oppressed, and down! GREEN POWER!
POWER TO THE PEEPHOLE!

JMan
128k 24k

lore3k · 11th July 2004, 23:38

no im just an extremely Paranoid Teen i suppose your right why would they pick on a server whos broadcasting to about 10 people?

protegechris · 11th July 2004, 23:40

Don't blame us if you actually do get sued or something one day though, our advice shall not be used against us in a court of law

HiddenPlanet · 11th July 2004, 23:42

Just kidding, holmes. Smoke em if ya got em....uhhhh, I mean....Don't Smoke! It's bad for your <cough> Health!

JMan
Good Signal Kinda Shitty Signal

lore3k · 11th July 2004, 23:48

gah makes me even more Paranoid

lore3k · 11th July 2004, 23:55

hmm so how would i go about getting some Unsigned Rock Artists for my Station?

protegechris · 12th July 2004, 00:03

Here's my area of expertise

There are plenty of yahoo groups you can join and post in, just search for "unsigned rock" on www.groups.yahoo.com

Also, go to sites that are music related, and have forums, like www.soundclick.com

You need permission from the artists though, check out my form:
http://www.unsigned-online.com/submitmusic.shtml
Yeah, its crappy, whatEVER

lore3k · 12th July 2004, 00:09

Thanks alot protegechris i shall work on it tommorow. it aint crappy its pretty good

Ok my Final Question is: i live in the UK ive read its Royatly free in Canada what about the UK?

Death Reaper · 12th July 2004, 04:07

Royalty Free? Not really. For now it has been declared legal to download and uplaod I beleive (I don't know exactly, I remember the news article about it in the paper though.) So essentially, its legal for now. Not royalty free, but legal to do it for free.

Regards,

2 Advanced · 12th July 2004, 08:17

Right, i live in a UK. Is there anything to get such as being a member to actually stream musics (people who are famous) Since the odd of being fined isnt that pleasant.

I heard that you could get a (imesh member) to stream any music you want on SHOUTcast server but it accepts credit card which i dont have one.

Anyone else have a idea?

Wavestreaming · 12th July 2004, 09:42

If you're in the UK (Like me

) - you want to check out the following website:

http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/

Now, i've rang them up to enquire as alot of my clients have asked us about it.

The figure to pay (for 24/7 radio) would be just short of £300 per quarter (so every 3 months). So you're looking at around £80/month I think.

However, I have heard that you can "nock em down". As they have no "set in stone" rates as such.

EDIT:
Oh yeah, and that price is based on the fact that people are not paying to listen.

Weed Radio · 12th July 2004, 11:58

Just do it.

2 Advanced · 12th July 2004, 14:09

:O Thats alot. :'( Now im having doubts.

lore3k · 12th July 2004, 15:18

Gah what to do what to do?

2 Advanced · 12th July 2004, 15:48

Being a Imesh member seems a bit reasonable. since its allow you to play copyrighted music for about £10 a year. But uses credit card. Looks like i got to do more research.

Death Reaper · 12th July 2004, 17:21

What is the URL to this Imesh site. 10 euros is probably about 15$ cdn per year, which is pretty good for legalty on a stream. I may look into it.

Regards,

2 Advanced · 12th July 2004, 17:32

Yeah, the link is www.imesh.com. I'm going to make a post if the free version can do the same for free. However the free version has a ad and the premium software doesnt.

Death Reaper · 13th July 2004, 14:20

Where is the part about the license?

Regards,

2 Advanced · 13th July 2004, 15:03

If you visit to the www.imesh.com. Click on the: About Us section. It should say.

The license agreement is on the bottom. Which will be in a hyperlink.

Ive been told by my friend that he is a imesh member so he recommend me using it, because its cheap and a good offer.

Regards,

Death Reaper · 13th July 2004, 15:51

IMO, it doesn't look like its a license at all. Imesh is a downloading program :P

Regards,

someToast · 13th July 2004, 23:04

Quote:

Originally posted by lore3k
[...] i suppose your right why would they pick on a server whos broadcasting to about 10 people?

That's what I thought until I started getting packets of licensing contracts in the mail from BMI.

At the time I was in the process of looking for "legit" ways to stream anyway and wound up relaying my ShoutCast server through Live365 soon thereafter.

Jay · 13th July 2004, 23:11

with written work royalty groups like BMI and SESAC its all about your website, it makes no difference if you broadcast but if you link to it at your website then you are responsible for it under their current licensing system.

But as always the best advice is to consult a intellectual property lawyer. I am not one.

Explicit · 11th November 2004, 07:11

http://www.imesh.com./license_agreement.shtml

That's not a license to broadcast music over shoutcast. It's a license agreement that you have to agree to, in order to use the iMesh software.

These agreements are in pretty much all software install programs, you have to click "I agree" to continue.

GeNoMe · 12th November 2004, 14:47

For more unsigned band you might want to check out www.purevolume.com theres a whole unsigned section, find a band you want to put on air and E-Mail them and ask them for permisson (Usually they are happy to get some free airplay) and then your all set.

11th July 2004, 21:09	#1
lore3k Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13	Legal Ive read through alot of theese topics and i still am not sure if its Legal or Illegal to Broadcast Online Via Shoutcast. Now im only 13 i cant pay for any licenses or anything will i still be able to do it?

11th July 2004, 21:16	#2
Dean Saliba Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 219	If you play copyrighted music then you will have to pay fees. What is wrong with unsigned music anyway? About to launch an internet radio station after an almost 10 year break. I don't suppose much has changed in that time.

11th July 2004, 21:36	#4
LollipopLustKil Insomniac (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,033	You should, but you don't have to. Most people these days don't. Neither do I. Scotty Doesn't Know

11th July 2004, 21:42	#6
LollipopLustKil Insomniac (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,033	Yep, that's what I've been doing. Scotty Doesn't Know

11th July 2004, 22:01	#8
LollipopLustKil Insomniac (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,033	http://69.135.226.16:8000/listen.pls Scotty Doesn't Know

11th July 2004, 21:18	#3
lore3k Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13	so if i wanted to play Iron maiden for example i would have to pay?

11th July 2004, 21:41	#5
lore3k Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13	so its ok if i keep a playlist looping all day with a selection of songs from my favourite CD's?

11th July 2004, 21:47	#7
lore3k Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13	Great!!!! that makes me so much happier Thanks so much for your Help. Whats your Station called i wanna hear some other peoples stations to get an idea of how to do this stuff right.

11th July 2004, 22:14	#10
lore3k Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13	so can they do anything to me Legally? like sue me or Bang me up in a jail somewhere?

11th July 2004, 22:56	#11
protegechris Forum Queen Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6,635	They can sue you, which essentially your parents would be the ones fined. The fine would vary, but the fees for one year are over 2000 dollars, and I'm sure someone else will tell you more than I can. yeah, i'm back.

11th July 2004, 23:27	#12
lore3k Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13	so it would be safer to schedule my radio to be only on at some times and days?

11th July 2004, 23:29	#13
protegechris Forum Queen Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6,635	Not really, but you have to think, there are thousands of stations out there serving more listeners than you running illegally, who do you think they'll go for first? yeah, i'm back.

11th July 2004, 23:35	#14
HiddenPlanet Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Yakima, WA Posts: 296	In-Cog-Neato I think Lore3k is an RIAA official in disguise...WATCH OUT!!!! It's all a conspiracy, and a ploy to keep the little guys like us oppressed, and down! GREEN POWER! POWER TO THE PEEPHOLE! JMan 128k 24k Jason Moore http://www.jasonmoorezbrain.com

11th July 2004, 23:38	#15
lore3k Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13	no im just an extremely Paranoid Teen i suppose your right why would they pick on a server whos broadcasting to about 10 people?

11th July 2004, 23:40	#16
protegechris Forum Queen Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6,635	Don't blame us if you actually do get sued or something one day though, our advice shall not be used against us in a court of law yeah, i'm back.

11th July 2004, 23:42	#17
HiddenPlanet Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Yakima, WA Posts: 296	LOL Just kidding, holmes. Smoke em if ya got em....uhhhh, I mean....Don't Smoke! It's bad for your <cough> Health! JMan Good Signal Kinda Shitty Signal Jason Moore http://www.jasonmoorezbrain.com

11th July 2004, 23:48	#18
lore3k Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13	gah makes me even more Paranoid

11th July 2004, 23:55	#19
lore3k Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13	hmm so how would i go about getting some Unsigned Rock Artists for my Station?

12th July 2004, 00:03	#20
protegechris Forum Queen Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6,635	Here's my area of expertise There are plenty of yahoo groups you can join and post in, just search for "unsigned rock" on www.groups.yahoo.com Also, go to sites that are music related, and have forums, like www.soundclick.com You need permission from the artists though, check out my form: http://www.unsigned-online.com/submitmusic.shtml Yeah, its crappy, whatEVER yeah, i'm back.

12th July 2004, 00:09	#21
lore3k Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13	Thanks alot protegechris i shall work on it tommorow. it aint crappy its pretty good Ok my Final Question is: i live in the UK ive read its Royatly free in Canada what about the UK?

12th July 2004, 04:07	#22
Death Reaper Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 681	Royalty Free? Not really. For now it has been declared legal to download and uplaod I beleive (I don't know exactly, I remember the news article about it in the paper though.) So essentially, its legal for now. Not royalty free, but legal to do it for free. Regards, Death Reaper

12th July 2004, 08:17	#23
2 Advanced Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 31	Right, i live in a UK. Is there anything to get such as being a member to actually stream musics (people who are famous) Since the odd of being fined isnt that pleasant. I heard that you could get a (imesh member) to stream any music you want on SHOUTcast server but it accepts credit card which i dont have one. Anyone else have a idea?

12th July 2004, 09:42	#24
Wavestreaming Major Dude Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,563	If you're in the UK (Like me ) - you want to check out the following website: http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/ Now, i've rang them up to enquire as alot of my clients have asked us about it. The figure to pay (for 24/7 radio) would be just short of £300 per quarter (so every 3 months). So you're looking at around £80/month I think. However, I have heard that you can "nock em down". As they have no "set in stone" rates as such. EDIT: Oh yeah, and that price is based on the fact that people are not paying to listen. Wavestreaming \| Shoutcast Hosting \| Auto DJ \| How To Start An Internet Radio Station

12th July 2004, 11:58	#25
Weed Radio Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 33	Just do it.

12th July 2004, 14:09	#26
2 Advanced Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 31	:O Thats alot. :'( Now im having doubts.

12th July 2004, 15:18	#27
lore3k Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13	Gah what to do what to do?

12th July 2004, 15:48	#28
2 Advanced Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 31	Being a Imesh member seems a bit reasonable. since its allow you to play copyrighted music for about £10 a year. But uses credit card. Looks like i got to do more research.

12th July 2004, 17:21	#29
Death Reaper Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 681	What is the URL to this Imesh site. 10 euros is probably about 15$ cdn per year, which is pretty good for legalty on a stream. I may look into it. Regards, Death Reaper

12th July 2004, 17:32	#30
2 Advanced Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 31	Yeah, the link is www.imesh.com. I'm going to make a post if the free version can do the same for free. However the free version has a ad and the premium software doesnt. Last edited by 2 Advanced; 12th July 2004 at 19:49.

13th July 2004, 14:20	#31
Death Reaper Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 681	Where is the part about the license? Regards, Death Reaper

13th July 2004, 15:03	#32
2 Advanced Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 31	If you visit to the www.imesh.com. Click on the: About Us section. It should say. The license agreement is on the bottom. Which will be in a hyperlink. Ive been told by my friend that he is a imesh member so he recommend me using it, because its cheap and a good offer. Regards,

13th July 2004, 15:51	#33
Death Reaper Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 681	IMO, it doesn't look like its a license at all. Imesh is a downloading program :P Regards, Death Reaper

13th July 2004, 23:11	#35
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,942	with written work royalty groups like BMI and SESAC its all about your website, it makes no difference if you broadcast but if you link to it at your website then you are responsible for it under their current licensing system. But as always the best advice is to consult a intellectual property lawyer. I am not one. -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

11th November 2004, 07:11	#36
Explicit Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 7	http://www.imesh.com./license_agreement.shtml That's not a license to broadcast music over shoutcast. It's a license agreement that you have to agree to, in order to use the iMesh software. These agreements are in pretty much all software install programs, you have to click "I agree" to continue.

12th November 2004, 14:47	#37
GeNoMe Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 148	For more unsigned band you might want to check out www.purevolume.com theres a whole unsigned section, find a band you want to put on air and E-Mail them and ask them for permisson (Usually they are happy to get some free airplay) and then your all set.