Old 28th November 2004, 00:30   #1
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Internet TV only showing two streams

I have tried a clean install + the deletion of the folder it was originally in. I just installed the new version just released, and when I try to use Internet TV, all it shows is two streams. I have tried refreshing, and I do get that "you can only refresh one per minute" thing.

Any idea what to do to fix this?
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Old 28th November 2004, 00:36   #2
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When you use the directory listing - make sure you do not have anything typed into the search box.

Also, the wait one minute is built into the system so the YP directory wont get pounded with requests from winamp media libraries over and over again from the same clients.
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Old 28th November 2004, 00:40   #3
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Nothing is in the request box, that was the first thing I checked. Winamp is connecting to the master server, but only reads like 320 bytes, then just exits and shows two streams, Nullsoft Band TV and NTV Broadcast Public Access.

ANy ideas?
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Old 28th November 2004, 00:44   #4
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same prob, here . . .
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Old 28th November 2004, 00:44   #5
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Check your Internet TV Rating Preferences.

Open Winamp

> Control P ( Winamp Preferences )
> Click on the Streaming Media Tab
> Go to the Internet TV Rating Preferences section
> Click on the Specify Ratings button
> Set ratings accordingly
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Old 28th November 2004, 00:46   #6
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Sorry, I have everything to be shown. I really don't think it's a problem with Winamp itself, maybe a problem with the master server.
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Old 28th November 2004, 00:49   #7
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I'm also just get 2 stations listed. Something must be wrong today or we all got banned ;-)

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Old 28th November 2004, 00:49   #8
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done...
reading 321 bytes

only 2 streams . . .
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Old 28th November 2004, 00:49   #9
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Should have checked that first - same results on my end.

Not sure what the problem is.
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Old 28th November 2004, 00:50   #10
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There's some asshole doing bad thing to the YP atm.
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Old 28th November 2004, 00:51   #11
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There's some asshole doing bad thing to the YP atm.
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Old 28th November 2004, 00:53   #12
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Several services are down....
Radiotoolbox.com also have big probs.
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Old 28th November 2004, 01:00   #13
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2 streams

Having probs here too.....Only 2 streams showing!
I think something is going on with internet TV....server
More reports, maybe quicker fix!?
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Old 28th November 2004, 02:27   #14
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The problem is NOT with your Winamp client

The other streams have been removed from the listing server. They will all be back when the time is right. Nothing to worry about.
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Old 28th November 2004, 03:03   #15
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Hi everyone:

I saw the same thing (two streams in the YP) earlier tonight, yet I got a full listing of radio stations. Then I upgraded to 5.06 and now I get a full listing of radio & TV stations.

Dunno what's goin' on behind the scenes, but it is *wEiRd*

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Old 28th November 2004, 03:11   #16
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hm...

could it be AOL doing stuff to NSV to get back at Winamp Team? or are they facing threats from copyright owners?
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Re: hm...

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could it be AOL doing stuff to NSV to get back at Winamp Team? or are they facing threats from copyright owners?
It's neither, that's a fact.
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Old 28th November 2004, 03:29   #18
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Yep, the YP video server seems to be fried. I guess it's time for the Winamp coffee rule :-).
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Old 28th November 2004, 03:36   #19
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Gllllaaaagh

Just my luck, first time I try this Internet TV with winamp and the server list is fried.

HOWEVER if you have any channel URLs in your recent items, access a station via webpage, or type in teh URL into your playlist, if the channel is up, it will work.


It would be fun if one could outpuit a file of some sort with the playloist info in it, or recent items listed, so that this sort of server refesh problem could be avoided...if you had the list to begin with!

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scvi.net has a limited list of stations.
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Old 28th November 2004, 04:13   #21
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Just to confirm... earlier on today, the NTV list server was hit by 400+ fake porn streams which just led to some dodgy website that tried to install spyware shit. As a result, the whole list has been taken down and will reappear when the issue is resolved.
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pr0n streams, go figure

A *partial* list of NSV streams can be found here.
www.scvi.net/tvpls.htm
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There's some asshole doing bad thing to the YP atm.
oh ho ho, looks like my idea of an alternative yp isn't so shit now is it

i laugh now

oh yeah and a slight whitelist (currently you're using a whitelist anyway, the nullsoft channels) to make it not totally suck would be nice too.

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Hi everyone:

WHY OH WHY do all the REALLY DISHONEST NSV stations out there have to be the ones running PORN?

That said though, in all fairness, people like DLDVS shouldn't really be lumped in with the rest of their so-called "comrades". I'm sure they're taking a hit like everyone else is (except me, who has long since gone the P2P route with StreamerP2P. ).

Just a (admittedly wild, far fetched) thought

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Old 28th November 2004, 06:47   #26
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I would like to say, in response to Jeeper One, there are some very honest porn streams out there. And not just DLDVDS.

Originally posted by yeshuawatso :
...get Nullsoft to [accept] new moderators? ... election? ... If Inedible Bulk is the candidate, then I give my vote.
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Old 28th November 2004, 06:56   #27
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Here is a list of all the streams from earlier this week:

http://energyhosting.com/files/nsv.xml

You can access most of them by copying and pasting the link to the .pls in your browser, like this one:

http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein...e=playlist.pls
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oh ho ho, looks like my idea of an alternative yp isn't so shit now is it

i laugh now

oh yeah and a slight whitelist (currently you're using a whitelist anyway, the nullsoft channels) to make it not totally suck would be nice too.
oh ho ho ho, your alternative yp would still be subject to the kind of shit he's pulling
I laugh at your stupidity.

Don't fucking suggest a fucking thing to us, you don't know shit.
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WHY OH WHY do all the REALLY DISHONEST NSV stations out there have to be the ones running PORN?

That said though, in all fairness, people like DLDVS shouldn't really be lumped in with the rest of their so-called "comrades". I'm sure they're taking a hit like everyone else is (except me, who has long since gone the P2P route with StreamerP2P. ).

Just a (admittedly wild, far fetched) thought

Cheers for now
Yeah... I'm also running a few porn streams and I have always went by the rules, and I'm really pissed off with morons like this one popping up millions of bullshit streams...
Anyway, can you tell something more about the StreamerP2P? I have just checked it's site but I'd like to hear your opinions and experiences with it... :-)
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Anyway, can you tell something more about the StreamerP2P? I'd like to hear your opinions and experiences with it... :-)
- works pretty good
- runs on Win32 only
- cheap licensing for commercial uses
- viewers should have it installed if you want to reduce your bandwidth usage
- you'll have to tweak the resources to allow
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- works pretty good
- runs on Win32 only
- cheap licensing for commercial uses
- viewers should have it installed if you want to reduce your bandwidth usage
- you'll have to tweak the resources to allow
Thanks. And how about peercast, have you tried it or not?
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Old 28th November 2004, 10:41   #32
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Over the last few months, an attacker has been creating listings with the intent to exploit internet explorer on the users machine to install spyware. Until this weekend, their effect has been mitigated by repeated bans.

Recently, they upped their game, using a network of drones (possibly aquired as part of the spyware/malware) they were able to maintain listings of approx. 500-600 streams in the yp, all of which were redirecting to his website which served up the spyware.

The YP became bogged down, requests for stream addresses became subject to flood protection which prevented the ban bot from doing its job, and the problem escalated.

To that end, the YP has been altered to serve up a static 2 stream feed for Internet TV until at least monday when appropriate staff can look at a possible solution, along with the relevent security/legal folk looking at taking down the attacker.

While the attackers stream was advertising as porn, they really had no intention of providing any amount of appropriate content, and the porn listings were only to maximize their "audience".

It is unfair to bundle the legit streamers into the same basket. Many streams have been very amicable with regards to rules and changes to the YP and prove that this system can work.

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how about peercast
Yes I tried Peercast :
- Win32, Mac, *nix versions
- Winamp's plugin for the listeners or standalone
- difficult to understand what exactly the exe does on your system and not sure what the functions are (I mean that people are relaying your stream only when they decide to do, not only when they listen or watch - this point isn't clear for me)
- very difficult to find information as the community is driven by one broadcaster only (the famous A1KC ) and if you don't please to him... you can cry alone
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Old 28th November 2004, 11:09   #34
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hi,
i noticed the winamp tv directory problem a few days ago
i knew i should have come to the forums and reported it
but i guess im just lazy or something!.
Thanks craig f for your post i hope it does get sorted.
I agree just become some individual chooses to abuse
the yp,dont assume that all broadcasters who stream porn
are bad too.
For all of us who have stuck within the rules while streaming nsv,todays devolpments are a blow!!!
but i know that eventially the small number of hard working staff at nullsoft will get it fixed.
In regards to using streamerp2p and peercast sankt told me a while back to try p2p, so i tryed both of these and everytime i try to use them my pcs crash.
I tryed with a p4,p3, athlon and duron based pc,but always
had the same problems.
Also i noticed that if you got even one person with a bad connection in tune it messed it up for everyone else!!
so in the end i put them both to one side for the time being.
streamerp2p would be my first choice but its very ugly
and alot of my "average joe" listeners found it hard to
understand and reported it was not very pretty to look at.

So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish.
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oh ho ho ho, your alternative yp would still be subject to the kind of shit he's pulling
I laugh at your stupidity.

Don't fucking suggest a fucking thing to us, you don't know shit.
I know the list isn't just 2 channels, but down now.

And who says my alternative yp would be open to anyone who pings it? I got a PM from this smart 'jant77', who suggested several things, including

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The streams would not be added automatically, but instead you would need to register and enter your server details (IP and port) and after the registration, you could start the server and tell the directory to add it, it would check if the server is really up, plus it might parse the data from the DNAS html page and include it with the listing. If the stream went down, the listing would be dropped after some time... It's not so unrealistic, however the system would probably also be a target of scammers with no content and activex/popups etc. (the more popular it would be, the more scammer would it attract), so it would have to be monitored both manually and using some automatic countermeasures.
lotta talkin going on there.

But, I like the idea of "register your ips with us before we listen to them", this gives us a way to contact you, and would really slow down spammers. plus id probably implement a limit on ips, you get to use 5 ips until you notify us you get to use more. there would be a little 'captcha' thing so autoregistering would be out of the question. result? 400 fake porn servers take a few hours to put up. Problem solvied.

also if it were to happen, it would not be a problem still, as a static list of 'approved users' would also be available. instead of a dynamic whitelist bogging down the server, a static whitelist doing just fine.

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Old 28th November 2004, 16:21   #36
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wow, thanks for calling me smart ;-))
anyway, yes, stuff like I've suggested for an alternative yp could work, but I think nullsoft staff is not going to do any major change to their system as they are now probably trying to survive with what they have and not developing new stuff...
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That phony will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes! I miss my internet tv.
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Old 28th November 2004, 23:47   #38
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That phony will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes! I miss my internet tv.
Could you possibly come up with a more pointless statement?

Anyways, does anyone who's actually involved in dealing with this issue have an idea of how long it is likely to take?

Every cloud has its silver lining. Since the list is down, now might be an opportune time to get into some of those streams that are always full.
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Could you possibly come up with a more pointless statement?

Anyways, does anyone who's actually involved in dealing with this issue have an idea of how long it is likely to take?
work starts on monday. nothing until then. no timescales.

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Every cloud has its silver lining. Since the list is down, now might be an opportune time to get into some of those streams that are always full.
I had thought the same.

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Sorry to interrupt this thread, but an alternative YP is interesting.

It is possible to redirect YP touches with any OS, quite easily.

On a separate topic, for the sign up thing, just have one of those png images with messed up numbers and letters that a human has to repeat when signing up =). That way bots won't be able to do what was done to the nullsoft YP.
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