Crashing...

Sonic Ether · 6th February 2006, 04:31

Hey, I've been making some major progress with AVS, but it is tremendously frustrating when I must keep re-doing everything I've done because winamp keeps crashing. It's only when I perform some sort of action, like arranging a superscope, or changing a rendering mode. This is driving me mad. Has anyone come across this problem?

PAK-9 · 6th February 2006, 08:08

AVS crashing? Never happens.

Grandchild · 6th February 2006, 19:47

Just negate pak's answer and you're at it!

This is well known and there's no other fix than frequent saving.

Sonic Ether · 7th February 2006, 02:57

Yeah, I was afraid of that. Thanks for the help!

jheriko · 7th February 2006, 04:51

When coding do it all in notepad, then copy paste across to test.

In my experience 99% of crashes seem to happen when code compiles. So I write some code, save my preset, paste it in... then if it crashes I can just load and do the paste again.

Its easy to not follow tho

StevenRoy · 7th February 2006, 06:02

I've found that AVS seems to crash much less often if I edit while the visualization is "docked" in the AVS editor window. It still happens, of course, but less often... I think...

I've used the Notepad trick, too, and it helps. Another major reason I like that is that I can maximize Notepad and edit my code using the full screen with word-wrapping.

Of course, even with these hints in mind, AVS isn't completely stable, and never will be, so you should also get into the habit of saving frequently.

JaVS_v2.5 · 7th February 2006, 11:21

Maybe your computer performance are low?

It's the same thing happened on my aunt's computer while I playing with codes in AVS editor. My aunt has a very low computer performance.

Grandchild · 7th February 2006, 16:45

I experienced most of the crashes while WA was ready with one song and went on to the next track. So I hold on my activities for some time and when the Notifier is gone, I resume.

gonna use the txt-editor now too...

Tuggummi · 7th February 2006, 17:07

My crashing occurs the same way grandchild's does, when winamp changes to the next song. Never has AVS crashed on me while editing something, codewise or not.

jheriko · 7th February 2006, 17:49

One of the great things about AVS, is that its flaws never seem to be consistent on different machines. Also the way it passes those problems onto APEs too... its all great stuff

Tuggummi · 7th February 2006, 17:53

Given enough resouces and time one could build a system that never experiences crashes or problems with AVS...

Omg! The holy grail!

jheriko · 7th February 2006, 18:36

Quote:

Originally posted by Tuggummi
Given enough resouces and time one could build a system that never experiences crashes or problems with AVS...

Omg! The holy grail!

Yeah, and just like the holy grail... it will stay fiction.

Tuggummi · 7th February 2006, 19:44

Blasphemy! Kill him!

^..^ · 7th February 2006, 20:57

Quote:

Originally posted by Tuggummi
Given enough resouces and time one could build a system that never experiences crashes or problems with AVS...

Omg! The holy grail!

What an enticing imagination!
But AVS would definitely lose a bit of it's excitement when you don't have to care of saving and you never have to fear that all your work will get lost all of a sudden!

JFASI · 7th February 2006, 21:40

My crashes only tend to happen when I accidentally click in Tentacles 3D -------> I blame UnconeD for the losses of some great ideas of mine.

Tuggummi · 7th February 2006, 21:44

I blaim Tentacles 3D for some ideas that were greatly lost.

^..^ · 7th February 2006, 21:55

Blaming "Tentacles 3D" (or "Metaballs 3D") is like blaming an infant for breaking a valuable vase or something. Actually you can't really blame them for that, cause they aren't fully developed (yet).

Tuggummi · 7th February 2006, 22:13

You're right, that would be disrespectful....

But i do hate babies though!

^..^ · 7th February 2006, 22:27

Well, that's your right. So do i hate the aforementioned ape's.
Just avoid blamimg something for a fault they are not guilty for!

Tuggummi · 7th February 2006, 22:29

Aah, words of wisdom, my friend, words of wisdom. Okay, i hate everyone who uses babies!

^..^ · 7th February 2006, 22:37

Seems as if i'm having some kind of wise philosophical phase tonight. Guess i should go to sleep before something bad happens...

Tuggummi · 7th February 2006, 23:08

When using philosophical against irrational, it is best so, i believe.

JFASI · 8th February 2006, 20:55

Is there any way to get rid if the APE's?

^..^ · 8th February 2006, 21:43

Of course: just delete them from your AVS-folder!

JFASI · 9th February 2006, 20:32

Yeah, but they still show themselves in my render bow, and I occationally hit them.

^..^ · 9th February 2006, 20:52

Sure? After you delete them they shouldn't show up there anymore!?

Tuggummi · 10th February 2006, 14:16

Unless they are hard-coded-in of course and not included as external .ape files... don't know, the list is outdated and should be updated...

^..^ · 10th February 2006, 21:57

That's new to me! I always thought that an effect imported through an ape would disappear as soon as the corresponding ape is missing!

Well, you never stop learning!

fastingaciu · 11th February 2006, 15:26

My crashes are very ofen so i started using notepad it's much more better then rewriting the whole thing all over again. It usaly hapends when i add stuff to the preset or when i save it .... so one day i got relly mad and i started using notepad......... but it would be much more better if the next verison of winamp would fix this.....

JFASI · 12th February 2006, 14:02

Mine doesn't crash all that often. Frankly, it never crashes. Ever. Apart from the obvious tentacles problem.

Grandchild · 12th February 2006, 18:03

a triple, no, endless: o_O for that!

Quote:

originally posted by Jheriko
Yeah, and just like the holy grail... it will stay fiction.

it seems you're wrong...
[Given, JFASI is working more often w/ AVS than 3 times a year]

hornet777 · 13th February 2006, 03:59

mine rarely crashes either, but when it does, its usually catastrophic, or it has a weirdness where it offsets the mouse cursor by one line.

Magic.X · 13th February 2006, 07:38

How about writing some kind of ape that forces avs to save frequently to a temporary file? Just needs some dogy UI hacks

Grandchild · 13th February 2006, 13:46

I thought about exactly this yesterday!
Would it be possible??

Magic.X · 13th February 2006, 14:32

Should not be a major problem to force AVS to save.
The only new thing is the Save-File Dialog Box popping up.

As I am thinking of this, its probably better to have an external agent running that will detect crashes and reload your preset in last state automatically too when AVS is restarted.

The only problems would be a slowdown, depending on the saving rate and it might also be possible that the dialog box is taking some time to get the file information it needs and will force AVS to idle meanwhile. The first thing could be cutomized, but if the latter occurs, this would probably not make sense at all.

Grandchild · 15th February 2006, 19:08

but I could live with a short break every 5 minutes.
I simply can't get myself to save frequently, I just forget it. even when I think "now this is cool, almost finished" I don't have the automatic reflex of saving...
so this would really save me a lotta time

[although it can't be denied that many of my good results came when I rebuilt sth deviously after a crash.]

GC

JFASI · 15th February 2006, 21:27

I can tell this auto-save thing is not going to get off the ground...I dare someone to make it!

hornet777 · 15th February 2006, 23:43

since AVS is open-source now, why not just rewrite it instead of making yet another ape?

^..^ · 15th February 2006, 23:48

Well, no one keeps you from doing that.
The point is, that it just can't be done in a few moments.

JFASI · 16th February 2006, 00:10

I looked back at the original post. WOW. My AVS never crashes when I do something as simple as change render modes...That's pretty extreme.

6th February 2006, 04:31	#1
Sonic Ether Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 10	Crashing... Hey, I've been making some major progress with AVS, but it is tremendously frustrating when I must keep re-doing everything I've done because winamp keeps crashing. It's only when I perform some sort of action, like arranging a superscope, or changing a rendering mode. This is driving me mad. Has anyone come across this problem?

6th February 2006, 08:08	#2
PAK-9 Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 1,374	AVS crashing? Never happens. http://PAK-9.deviantart.com ...innit

7th February 2006, 04:51	#5
jheriko Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: a twist in the fabric of space Posts: 2,150	When coding do it all in notepad, then copy paste across to test. In my experience 99% of crashes seem to happen when code compiles. So I write some code, save my preset, paste it in... then if it crashes I can just load and do the paste again. Its easy to not follow tho -- Jheriko 'Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers'

7th February 2006, 11:21	#7
JaVS_v2.5 Forum King Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seremban 2, Malaysia Posts: 2,717	Maybe your computer performance are low? It's the same thing happened on my aunt's computer while I playing with codes in AVS editor. My aunt has a very low computer performance. Last played [offline]: Lamb of God - Nippon -- JaVS :: h i p o t e s i s

7th February 2006, 17:07	#9
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	My crashing occurs the same way grandchild's does, when winamp changes to the next song. Never has AVS crashed on me while editing something, codewise or not. Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

6th February 2006, 19:47	#3
Grandchild Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 339	Just negate pak's answer and you're at it! This is well known and there's no other fix than frequent saving.

7th February 2006, 02:57	#4
Sonic Ether Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 10	Yeah, I was afraid of that. Thanks for the help!

7th February 2006, 06:02	#6
StevenRoy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA Posts: 129	I've found that AVS seems to crash much less often if I edit while the visualization is "docked" in the AVS editor window. It still happens, of course, but less often... I think... I've used the Notepad trick, too, and it helps. Another major reason I like that is that I can maximize Notepad and edit my code using the full screen with word-wrapping. Of course, even with these hints in mind, AVS isn't completely stable, and never will be, so you should also get into the habit of saving frequently.

7th February 2006, 16:45	#8
Grandchild Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 339	I experienced most of the crashes while WA was ready with one song and went on to the next track. So I hold on my activities for some time and when the Notifier is gone, I resume. gonna use the txt-editor now too...

7th February 2006, 17:49	#10
jheriko Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: a twist in the fabric of space Posts: 2,150	One of the great things about AVS, is that its flaws never seem to be consistent on different machines. Also the way it passes those problems onto APEs too... its all great stuff -- Jheriko 'Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers'

7th February 2006, 17:53	#11
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Given enough resouces and time one could build a system that never experiences crashes or problems with AVS... Omg! The holy grail! Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

7th February 2006, 19:44	#13
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Blasphemy! Kill him! Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

7th February 2006, 21:40	#15
JFASI Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: I was hoping you could tell me Posts: 1,350	My crashes only tend to happen when I accidentally click in Tentacles 3D -------> I blame UnconeD for the losses of some great ideas of mine.

7th February 2006, 21:44	#16
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	I blaim Tentacles 3D for some ideas that were greatly lost. Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

7th February 2006, 21:55	#17
^..^ Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: There Posts: 1,002	Blaming "Tentacles 3D" (or "Metaballs 3D") is like blaming an infant for breaking a valuable vase or something. Actually you can't really blame them for that, cause they aren't fully developed (yet).

7th February 2006, 22:13	#18
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	You're right, that would be disrespectful.... But i do hate babies though! Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

7th February 2006, 22:27	#19
^..^ Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: There Posts: 1,002	Well, that's your right. So do i hate the aforementioned ape's. Just avoid blamimg something for a fault they are not guilty for!

7th February 2006, 22:29	#20
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Aah, words of wisdom, my friend, words of wisdom. Okay, i hate everyone who uses babies! Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

7th February 2006, 22:37	#21
^..^ Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: There Posts: 1,002	Seems as if i'm having some kind of wise philosophical phase tonight. Guess i should go to sleep before something bad happens...

7th February 2006, 23:08	#22
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	When using philosophical against irrational, it is best so, i believe. Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

8th February 2006, 20:55	#23
JFASI Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: I was hoping you could tell me Posts: 1,350	Is there any way to get rid if the APE's? Certified Spam Connoisseur.

8th February 2006, 21:43	#24
^..^ Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: There Posts: 1,002	Of course: just delete them from your AVS-folder!

9th February 2006, 20:32	#25
JFASI Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: I was hoping you could tell me Posts: 1,350	Yeah, but they still show themselves in my render bow, and I occationally hit them. Certified Spam Connoisseur.

9th February 2006, 20:52	#26
^..^ Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: There Posts: 1,002	Sure? After you delete them they shouldn't show up there anymore!?

10th February 2006, 14:16	#27
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Unless they are hard-coded-in of course and not included as external .ape files... don't know, the list is outdated and should be updated... Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

10th February 2006, 21:57	#28
^..^ Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: There Posts: 1,002	That's new to me! I always thought that an effect imported through an ape would disappear as soon as the corresponding ape is missing! Well, you never stop learning!

11th February 2006, 15:26	#29
fastingaciu Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 940	My crashes are very ofen so i started using notepad it's much more better then rewriting the whole thing all over again. It usaly hapends when i add stuff to the preset or when i save it .... so one day i got relly mad and i started using notepad......... but it would be much more better if the next verison of winamp would fix this..... Those who can do, do; those who can't do, teach.

12th February 2006, 14:02	#30
JFASI Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: I was hoping you could tell me Posts: 1,350	Mine doesn't crash all that often. Frankly, it never crashes. Ever. Apart from the obvious tentacles problem. Certified Spam Connoisseur.

13th February 2006, 03:59	#32
hornet777 Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 87	mine rarely crashes either, but when it does, its usually catastrophic, or it has a weirdness where it offsets the mouse cursor by one line.

13th February 2006, 07:38	#33
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	How about writing some kind of ape that forces avs to save frequently to a temporary file? Just needs some dogy UI hacks -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

13th February 2006, 13:46	#34
Grandchild Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 339	I thought about exactly this yesterday! Would it be possible??

13th February 2006, 14:32	#35
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Should not be a major problem to force AVS to save. The only new thing is the Save-File Dialog Box popping up. As I am thinking of this, its probably better to have an external agent running that will detect crashes and reload your preset in last state automatically too when AVS is restarted. The only problems would be a slowdown, depending on the saving rate and it might also be possible that the dialog box is taking some time to get the file information it needs and will force AVS to idle meanwhile. The first thing could be cutomized, but if the latter occurs, this would probably not make sense at all. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

15th February 2006, 19:08	#36
Grandchild Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 339	but I could live with a short break every 5 minutes. I simply can't get myself to save frequently, I just forget it. even when I think "now this is cool, almost finished" I don't have the automatic reflex of saving... so this would really save me a lotta time [although it can't be denied that many of my good results came when I rebuilt sth deviously after a crash.] GC

15th February 2006, 21:27	#37
JFASI Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: I was hoping you could tell me Posts: 1,350	I can tell this auto-save thing is not going to get off the ground...I dare someone to make it! Certified Spam Connoisseur.

15th February 2006, 23:43	#38
hornet777 Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 87	since AVS is open-source now, why not just rewrite it instead of making yet another ape?