we're all going to die!!!!

[Mattress]

New Al Qaida threats against America

I'm not sure why this hasn't gotten much mainstream media exposure?

The threat suggests the attack will be far greater in magnitude than Sept. 11, 2001, because following this one, "there will be no one to analyze and investigate, because the mind and the heart will be unable to comprehend it. ... This will not be a single operation, but two; one bigger than the other, but we will begin with the big one and postpone the bigger one, in order to see [how] diligent the American people is [in preserving] its life. If it chooses life, [it must] carry out the demands of the Muslims, and if it chooses death, then we are its best perpetrators."

The warning appeared in Arabic and in English.

"Do not put your hopes on Bush and his clan, they are incapable of protecting you, and if they think they are, let them foil or stop the two upcoming operations, and punish those who are responsible for them," says the statement. "But if they could not identify and foil the devastating events coming your way, you must ask yourselves: How long will we continue allowing ourselves to be slaughtered with full advance knowledge of our fate?

"Let me now inform you why we opted to inform you about the two operations and your inability to stop them before they are carried out. The reason is simple: You cannot uncover or stop them except by letting them be carried out. Furthermore, the best you could do would be to accelerate the day of carrying out the operations. In other words, if we schedule the operation to take place tomorrow, the best you could do is to make it happen today."

The spokesman claims the operations are inevitable – even if the specific plans are uncovered by authorities.

"This indeed is a sweet situation to be in," he says. "It is a win-win all the way for us. It is the ultimate control and the most stunning way to stop an operation (accelerating it with the same impact). What we are saying is this: You will have a choice of either let us carry it out on our own schedule and with our own hands or allow your own intelligence apparatus to cause it to happen. This second choice will cause a level of dissatisfaction (with your decision makers) to reach its highest level. Therefore, your Homeland Security agencies would have no choice but to surrender and wait for the inevitable to happen."

Read the whole thing. It's pretty scary, but then, it is meant to be scary.

[seraphim]

How is this one any different from the threats they made last weekend? Or the week before, or the month before?

[zootm]

Bingo. They've not recieved more media attention because they do this all the time.

[Mattress]

got some links to past threats for me?

[Too-DAMN-Much]

just another reason why we should nuke iraq into oblivion... (al-qaida is in iraq... right?)
(if not, yes i failed geography )

[gaekwad2]

Last thing I heard they're in Pakistan (which is an ally of the US, oops).

[Schmeet]

..It kind of takes the edge off of the fear when they tell you they're planning something.

[Too-DAMN-Much]

Originally posted by gaekwad2
Last thing I heard they're in Pakistan (which is an ally of the US, oops).

let's bomb iraq anyway...

[spiderbaby1958]

bIn Laden keeps saying this again and again, and he's bin Laden. Who the hell is Rakan Ben Williams?

[Mattress]

Originally posted by spiderbaby1958
bIn Laden keeps saying this again and again, and he's bin Laden. Who the hell is Rakan Ben Williams?

It's called reading the article:

Islamic websites yesterday posted a "last warning" warning by Rakan Ben Williams, who describes himself as an "al-Qaida undercover soldier" in the U.S.

Williams is a mystery man, who, according to the London Arabic newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat, is an English convert to Islam.

[gaekwad2]

Cat Stevens?

[spiderbaby1958]

It's called a rhetorical question.

[rockouthippie]

Where is Ronald Reagan and "We begin bombing in 5 minutes". You'll notice the Libyans have been EXTREMELY cooperative ever since.

Why is there anything more than a foot tall in Tehran?.

This is a mistake in our foreign policy. We have never successfully negotiated with Arab terrorists or terrorists nations, except for Ronald Reagans "negotiation" with Kudafi.

I think any time we get the "last warning" we ought to find something to bomb. If we hear anyone say "Jihad" we should destroy 5 miles square around the person that said it.

The arabs are a martial people and what you get when you negotiate with them is Palestine. What you get when you bomb them is peace like Libya. You'll notice the lebanese civil war went away too.

Jimmy Carter should have fixed the Iranians "red wagon" right then and there with "America held hostage".

We should not be deploying ground troops anywhere. We should give the Navy some good coffee and lots of ordinance.

The problem is that we have to stop the "civilians", not the terrorists. Arab civilians have the idea that these terrorists are some sort of folk heroes and protect them. They'd quit doing that if there were EXTREME reprisals.

Right now, erasing Tehran would set a good example. Issue appropriate warning that the city will be completely destroyed by nuclear attack to let the civilians leave and then "do her".

The only reason these guys fly the finger at us is that we let them.

You can't fly a finger if it's not attached to the rest of you any more.

You might think it would be callous to wipe out a couple of million Iranians. The truth is that in the long run it's gonna cost more to let the regimes in Syria and Iran continue. The situation in Palestine would probably be better for both Israelis and Palestinians had the Israelis employed truly devastating force.

Negotiation?. see it our way or get blown up....really there is NOTHING TO NEGOTIATE!.

Iran wants nukes ..... NO PERIOD!.
Syria supports the terrorist training camps .... NO!.
Pakistan and it's nuke program .... AGAIN NO!.

Did we really have anything to talk about?. NO!.

We don't have to negotiate and we shouldn't be.

[Too-DAMN-Much]

Originally posted by rockouthippie
Where is Ronald Reagan and "We begin bombing in 5 minutes". You'll notice the Libyans have been EXTREMELY cooperative ever since.

I think any time we get the "last warning" we ought to find something to bomb. If we hear anyone say "Jihad" we should destroy the entire country around the person that said it.

We should not be deploying ground troops anywhere. We should give the Navy some good coffee and lots of ordinance.

-This post quoted/fixed by "Too-DAMN-Much"

[gaekwad2]

Playing trigger happy macho feels sooo good, right, Mr. superior values?

Btw, didn't Reagan say he'd bomb Russia in 5 minutes?


I think we can be very glad most muslims are far more civilised than some members of this forum.

[rockouthippie]

Originally posted by gaekwad2
Playing trigger happy macho feels sooo good, right, Mr. superior values?

Btw, didn't Reagan say he'd bomb Russia in 5 minutes?


I think we can be very glad most muslims are far more civilised than some members of this forum.

Oh yeah, them muslims are so damned civilized that they hang gay teenagers, blow up our trade center, stone adulterous women to death, torture political prisoners, kidnap our citizens, blow up our naval vessels and embassies, blow up busses in London, bomb Israeli school children and nerve gas hundreds of thousands of dissidents in their own countries.

Meanwhile we negotiate?. It's a rat... When it's a rat, you get out the RAT-X, not diplomats.

[spiderbaby1958]

Originally posted by rockouthippie
Where is Ronald Reagan and "We begin bombing in 5 minutes". You'll notice the Libyans have been EXTREMELY cooperative ever since.

Yes, it was Russia. Another rockouthippie classic.

[rockouthippie]

I thought he said that before he bombed Libya... that's irrelevant the fact is that he did bomb Libya HARD, and the Libyans haven't been much trouble since....

And Reagan let the Navy do our talking. No ground troops. Just lots and lots of bombs.

Then we come to Jimmy Carter and "America held hostage" for a year and a half. I would have blasted Iran into the stone age.

If that had happened, the Iranians would be asking for permission to build a lemonade stand, instead of demanding the right to build nuclear weapons.

[Too-DAMN-Much]

Originally posted by rockouthippie
And Reagan let the Navy do our talking. No ground troops. Just lots and lots of bombs.

isn't it funny the navy bombs things more often than... say THE AIRFORCE? or even the marines? both of which should be more capable of doing so, since the navy is supposedly water based, the air force is... well... air based... and the marines... well... the marines are the all-in-one of the US military

[shakey_snake]

Marines are primarily amphibious assult forces, and are a branch of the Navy.

[CaboWaboAddict]

Originally posted by Too-DAMN-Much
isn't it funny the navy bombs things more often than... say THE AIRFORCE? or even the marines? both of which should be more capable of doing so, since the navy is supposedly water based, the air force is... well... air based... and the marines... well... the marines are the all-in-one of the US military

For a country near an ocean or a sea, why send in the Marines or Air Force? Just stay off shore and send in cruise missles from ships.

[gaekwad2]

Originally posted by rockouthippie
Oh yeah, them muslims are so damned civilized that they hang gay teenagers, blow up our trade center, stone adulterous women to death, torture political prisoners, kidnap our citizens, blow up our naval vessels and embassies, blow up busses in London, bomb Israeli school children and nerve gas hundreds of thousands of dissidents in their own countries.

Meanwhile we negotiate?. It's a rat... When it's a rat, you get out the RAT-X, not diplomats.

But you're not even after the rat.

You just want to prove your (nuclear) dick is bigger than theirs.

But yeah, I was exaggerating. I should have said you're exactly the same.
Religious right = religious right, hardly matters what religion.

[spiderbaby1958]

Originally posted by rockouthippie
I thought he said that before he bombed Libya... that's irrelevant the fact is that he did bomb Libya HARD, and the Libyans haven't been much trouble since....

From a 1992 web document "designed to provide context for the allegations in the US and Scottish indictments of Libyan nationals for the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 in December 1988.":

The Record Over the Past Five Years
The 1986 airstrike on Libya by the United States, combined with other international pressures, did not end Tripoli's support for terrorism. Following the air attack, Qadhafi began to use front companies and other organizations to hide Libya's hand (see inset) . In addition, Qadhafi has placed a premium on masking Libya's support for terrorism in an attempt to avoid jeopardizing Libya's economic links to his African neighbors and major European trading partners. The Libyans sponsored a series of :anti-US operations immediately after the US airstrikes in April 1986. Tripoli was responsible for the shooting of a US Embassy communicator in Sudan on 15 April 1986 and for the shooting of another Embassy communicator in Sanaa, North Yemen, on 25 April 1986. In addition, two Libyans were apprehended on 18 April 1986 as they attempted to attack the US Officers Club in Ankara with grenades obtained from the Libyan People's Bureau there. The Libyans confessed that they were ordered to cause the maximum number of casualties, particularly women and children.

Qadhafi and Kidnapping
The hollowness of Qadhafi's rhetoric is best illustrated by Libya's long-standing involvement in kidnapping, despite his regular denunciations of such acts. In 1978, Libyan intelligence officers kidnapped Imam Musa Sadr, the spiritual leader of the Lebanese Shia community, just after he arrived in Tripoli. Musa Sadr eventually died in Libyan captivity. Throughout the 1980s, Qadhafi publicly denounced the illegal detention of hostages by extremist groups in Lebanon. Yet in April 1986, Libya bought and arranged for the murder of three Western hostages in Lebanon, including American Peter Kilburn. More recently, in November 1987 the Abu Nidal Organization (ANO) hijacked the yacht Silco in international waters. The hostages - Belgian and French nationals - were released in stages, with the last detainees freed in January 1991. The yacht was seized by ANO elements under the direction of the Libyan intelligence service, and some of the hostages were even held on Libyan soil.

We believe that Libya was responsible for the destruction of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, on 21 December 1988 and that senior government officials involved in previous terrorist attacks around the world orchestrated the operation. Forensic evidence indicates that the bomb's timer was unique to Libyan inventories, and an official of the Libyan national carrier, Libyan Arab Airlines, used his credentials to circumvent security procedures in Malta to assist in the operation.

Over the past several years, Libya has provided assistance to Palestinian terrorists, enabling them to launch attacks against Israel and Western targets:


* In May 1990, Palestine Liberation Front (PLF) members attempted a seaborne raid on Israel; the operation failed, and four terrorists were killed and 12 captured. Libya provided the group with training, sophisticated equipment, weaponry, and the mother ship used in the operation.

* In July 1988, ANO operatives attacked the Greek cruise ship The City of Poros, killing nine and wounding over 100 people. Libya provided the weapons used in the operation.

Libya has regarded Africa as an attractive environment for its operations and is responsible for several attacks there:


* On 30 October 1991, a French judge issued international arrest warrants, charging four Libyan officials with involvement in the bombing of UTA Flight 772 in September 1989.

* In March 1990, Libyan diplomats were expelled from Ethiopia after a bomb exploded in the Hilton Hotel in Addis Ababa in an apparent attempt to kill the Israeli Ambassador who was staying there.

* In February 1988, two known Libyan terrorists were arrested in Dakar. Senegal, in possession of explosives and weapons.

* In October 1987, a bomb exploded in the office of World Vision, a private relief organization operating in Moudou, Chad. Libyan diplomats based in Cotonou, Benin, assisted the terrorists who carried out the attack.

* In March 1987, a bomb exploded at the cafe "L'Historil" in Djibouti, killing 11 and wounding 50. The Libyans ordered a Palestinian group, the Popular Struggle Front, to conduct the attack or risk losing Tripoli's financial support.

That was in 1992, six years after the raid. If Libya has changed its behavior, it's only been during the past few years.

Hey, it's not that I don't respect your crazy opinions, but could you PLEASE stop trying to buttress them with facts? You're embarassing us all, especially yourself.

[rockouthippie]

I'm barely religious and hardly "right".

What I see is that while we'd all like to live in a pacifist world, we can't.

We haven't learned the lesson that history teaches us.

After WWI, Germany was not supposed to have an army. They started to re-arm in the mid-1920s and no one stopped them. We didn't stop them when they overan Poland, the Czechs and France. Denmark and Finland gave us pause, but that still wasn't enough.

We had to wait until they had enough power that they were a real threat. It was the same in Iraq and it's the same in Syria and Iran.

We continue to prove what a bunch of pussies we are. Carter proved it, GB senior proved it and we even forced the Israelis to prove it.

If we had stopped Hitler in 1929:

No WWII
No one hundred million people dead.
The Japanese wouldn't have attacked Pearl, nor would the have run amok in the Pacific.
No cold war.... therefore no Stalinist control of eastern europe and probably no development of nuclear weapons.

If we had finished the job in Korea:
No North Korea with missile programs.

If we had blasted Iran in 1976:
No state sponsoring terrorism.
No Iran/Iraq war.
We wouldn't have armed Sadam Hussien.
Afghanistan wouldn't have happened.
The Syrians would be silent.

If GB senior had finished the job in Iraq:
Our trade center would be standing.
2 million in the Iran/Iraq war (that would have never happened)would be alive.
A million Iraqi children wouldn't have starved to death.
3000 troops and 3000 people in the trade center would be alive.

This is hardly a Christian idea.

When we have irreconcilable enemies, we should kill them.

The result of inaction is always more costly. These guys count on the fact that we will negotiate.

They see our diplomacy as weakness..... and THEY'RE RIGHT!.

None of these Arab states has even entered into good faith negotiations. That's except Libya and that's only because Reagan bombed the living shit out if it. They just negotiate to buy time to figure out some other way to kill us.

Look at a freely elected terrorist government in Palestine for a good example.

If the roles were reversed in Palestine and the Palestinians had power, they would kill all the Israelis. The Israelis have sought diplomacy and paid for it with the lives of thousands of their citizens.

If you really boil this down to where all of this would have not happened, it would be a 10 year period where we let Hitler run amok. The Arabs would have never been armed in the first place. 3 million Jews and 9 million polish and the male population of France would have been happy europeans instead of being shot or gassed. 250,000 of us would have been home instead of Arlington.

But we were all too much of a bunch of tree huggers.

"Walk softly and carry a big stick". It's time to get that "big stick" part right.

[shakey_snake]

Originally posted by gaekwad2
Religious right = religious right, hardly matters what religion.

Stereotype of the day! YEY!!!

[Too-DAMN-Much]

I quote : "thou shall not hate, lest ye become thus you hate"

[rockouthippie]

Originally posted by Too-DAMN-Much
I quote : "thou shall not hate, lest ye become thus you hate"

Who said anything about hate?. I don't hate anyone. But if I run into an enemy that hates me, is irreversible in that hate, I can't negotiate and they come to my home to kill me or show that that is their intent..... I'm kicking some ass....

If negotiations with the arabs would make them abandon "Jihad" then that's the tact we should take.... but negotiations don't work... so we should remove the threat with finality...

You'll notice the Japanese no longer blindly follow their imperialist emperor. They now live in peace as good neighbors. That's because the ones that followed this ideal are all dead or scared shitless.

Islamic radicals will have to meet the same end. They have sworn to kill us and only negotiate to help them to that end. Just like the Japanese "negotiated" before they bombed Pearl Harbor, while invading China and among other places, the completely peaceful Phillipines.

[Too-DAMN-Much]

'twas just a reminder my good sir.

[rockouthippie]

[Too-DAMN-Much]

hey, look, i have the same stance on this issue as you do, i wish bush had the balls to nuke the whole fucking shitpond country...