Plagiarism? Petty versus RHCPs?

Phyltre · 25th May 2006, 19:50

This one might go in breaking news, or music discussion, I dunno. But I heard this analysis and it's pretty convincing-- the Red Hot Chili Peppers almost certainly drew hard and long from Tom Petty's hit circa 1993. Listen for yourself.

"Dani California" versus "Last Dance with Mary Jane"

ryan · 26th May 2006, 01:07

The Tom Petty clips sound sped up.

Mr_007 · 26th May 2006, 02:58

Wow what a bad news for this band.

cooky560 · 26th May 2006, 03:19

so whats new? bands have been making covers since well... ever

dlichterman · 26th May 2006, 03:31

Freakishly similar

Smeggle · 26th May 2006, 09:06

play one note 'A' - how many bands, singers balh blah balh have played that note? Are they all copying? plagarising?

Play three A, D, E - in that order? I can take a truck load of tracks and find similarities across wide ranging genres..

Music plagarism is just bollox imo...

ryan · 26th May 2006, 09:11

It's only those bits of the songs they're playing that sound similar. The rest of the song is totally different.

cooky560 · 26th May 2006, 10:10

music is always going to contain plagurism because there are limitations on the amount of note combinations that sound good, so plagiriasm after time is gonig to be pretty commonplace

ujay · 26th May 2006, 11:34

The words may change, but a good tune goes on for ever.

UJ

swingdjted · 26th May 2006, 12:55

I steal beats and remix stuff on Sonic Foundry Acid Pro all the time, although I don't generally sell it. It's pretty easy to do if you have a day or two to learn the program.

Razzinno · 26th May 2006, 13:34

Quote:

Originally posted by cooky560
there are limitations on the amount of note combinations that sound good

and the Red Hot Chili Peppers haven't found any of them.

Razzinno · 26th May 2006, 13:34

Quote:

Originally posted by cooky560
there are limitations on the amount of note combinations that sound good

and the Red Hot Chili Peppers haven't found any of them.

(that's it, I'm getting a new mouse...tired of this double-clicking crap)

xzxzzx · 26th May 2006, 14:12

OMFG:

Am, G, Dm

Holy shit! JESUS. THAT'S ONLY BEEN USED IN ONE SONG, EVER!

Oops, wait, the Tom Petty song is Am, G, D ...

The "damning evidence" is not horribly weak (they do sound similar), but it's nowhere near "damning evidence".

*tries to find the Mp3 that was really damning evidence of another song pair*

Mattress · 26th May 2006, 15:58

heh, listen to Amber's Sexual and then listen to T-pop star CoCo's Di Da Di

now that's a rip-off

swingdjted · 26th May 2006, 19:32

Yes, it's all over,
Superfreak=Can't Touch This, although I think it was used with purchased permission

Mattress · 26th May 2006, 19:35

sampling is different.

but a chorus of "di da di" vs a chorus of "li da di" I'd say that's a rip off.

zootm · 26th May 2006, 19:38

Anthony Kiedis used to accuse Mike Patton of ripping him off, so I guess this is "what goes around".

Quote:

Originally posted by razzinno
and the Red Hot Chili Peppers haven't found any of them.

RHCP's earlier stuff is really good, I reckon. They've been putting out some generic rubbish recently though.

swingdjted · 26th May 2006, 19:44

Quote:

Originally posted by zootm
RHCP's earlier stuff is really good, I reckon. They've been putting out some generic rubbish recently though.

Couldn't agree more. I miss the Flea solos and BloodSugarSexMagic album (or anything released before).

rockouthippie · 26th May 2006, 19:48

Guitar rifts are just that, you'd probably find a lot of songs that use the same rifts, especially with blues. If you can copyright a rift, then we are doomed. Petty probably stole it from someone else.

25th May 2006, 19:50	#1
Phyltre Forum King Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,751	Plagiarism? Petty versus RHCPs? This one might go in breaking news, or music discussion, I dunno. But I heard this analysis and it's pretty convincing-- the Red Hot Chili Peppers almost certainly drew hard and long from Tom Petty's hit circa 1993. Listen for yourself. "Dani California" versus "Last Dance with Mary Jane"

26th May 2006, 03:19	#4
cooky560 Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Around Posts: 1,181	so whats new? bands have been making covers since well... ever Cooky560 - Making Pointless Posts since 8/12/ 2002 WWW. Victory Requires no explanation, defeat allows none. All that Evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing

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dlichterman Forum King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Where Hell Froze Over Posts: 2,466	Freakishly similar Software is like sex: It's better when it's free.--If at first you don't succeed; call it version 1.0--Guess the band from pics game

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Smeggle Just Strolling By (Major Dude) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A Long Winding Road..... Posts: 3,259	play one note 'A' - how many bands, singers balh blah balh have played that note? Are they all copying? plagarising? Play three A, D, E - in that order? I can take a truck load of tracks and find similarities across wide ranging genres.. Music plagarism is just bollox imo... Music is Life, Love and Happiness :\|: Life is Music. Serren - 1985 - 2005 Religion? Religion is a Blasphemy against humanity - From the film What the Bleep do we know siggy link So stumbling? whats it all about

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cooky560 Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Around Posts: 1,181	music is always going to contain plagurism because there are limitations on the amount of note combinations that sound good, so plagiriasm after time is gonig to be pretty commonplace Cooky560 - Making Pointless Posts since 8/12/ 2002 WWW. Victory Requires no explanation, defeat allows none. All that Evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing

26th May 2006, 01:07	#2
ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Missouri via Tennessee Posts: 8,813	The Tom Petty clips sound sped up.

26th May 2006, 02:58	#3
Mr_007 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,838	Wow what a bad news for this band.

26th May 2006, 09:11	#7
ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Missouri via Tennessee Posts: 8,813	It's only those bits of the songs they're playing that sound similar. The rest of the song is totally different.

26th May 2006, 11:34	#9
ujay Forum King Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London Posts: 6,072	The words may change, but a good tune goes on for ever. UJ

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xzxzzx Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 7,254	OMFG: Am, G, Dm Holy shit! JESUS. THAT'S ONLY BEEN USED IN ONE SONG, EVER! Oops, wait, the Tom Petty song is Am, G, D ... The "damning evidence" is not horribly weak (they do sound similar), but it's nowhere near "damning evidence". tries to find the Mp3 that was really damning evidence of another song pair Freedom of speech is the basic freedom of humanity. When you've lost that, you've lost everything. 1\/\/4y 34\|<$p4y 1gp4y 33714y, 0d4y 0uy4y? \| Roses are #FF0000; Violets are #0000FF; chown -R ${YOU} ~/base The DMCA. It really is that bad. : Count for your life.

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Mattress Forum King Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,577	heh, listen to Amber's Sexual and then listen to T-pop star CoCo's Di Da Di now that's a rip-off Besides shooting out a big blank from your buttock, you can feel as if your root chakra leaked sweet hot mucus.

26th May 2006, 19:32	#15
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26th May 2006, 19:35	#16
Mattress Forum King Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,577	sampling is different. but a chorus of "di da di" vs a chorus of "li da di" I'd say that's a rip off. Besides shooting out a big blank from your buttock, you can feel as if your root chakra leaked sweet hot mucus.

26th May 2006, 19:48	#19
rockouthippie Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 11,002	Guitar rifts are just that, you'd probably find a lot of songs that use the same rifts, especially with blues. If you can copyright a rift, then we are doomed. Petty probably stole it from someone else.

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