A Week sounds ok :)

[UnConeD]

I just noticed a 2-star vote on my otherwise 5-star preset pack (Whacko AVS II). I don't mean to boast, but rather bring out a twisted person, "Janne Manne", who's been voting "From Arse: These are pretty crappy presets" on a lot of the 5-stars packs on winamp.com.

His account will probably not be disabled under the guise of 'free speech', but his messages are abusing the rating system. Its purpose is to bring feedback to the authors and get an automatic mass-rating (which is always better than a simple one-man jury). His messages do neither, because he targets anything highly rated, votes with a hollow comment and a bad rating. Maybe he's just another one of those people who want to see their own crappy presets at the top?

Janne Manne: No offense, but you don't learn good AVS skills overnight, and things like this will only get others mad, erasing any hope of getting your stuff rated highly. Instead of being so chicken, just post your stuff and see how it gets voted.

[ParaNoya]

I totallly agree with UCD (UnConeD) here, something must be changed to the rating system here at winamp. It seems that any lame person here can kick you out of the 5 star just by adding a stupid comment. If I myself don't like a pack I just don't rate it anymore, because it's of no use rating it, since I might not like but I'm sure there must be someone outhere liking it and now the only result is that this bad rate only discouraged UCD to keep making these beeautiful packs. So when I should give it a low rating it would disappear from the five stars and some people who would love this pack would never have get the chance to see it. But I see there are still these stupid people who still keep giving low ratings to AVS or any other kind of plugin, while this stuff is infact art, and art is subjective to anyone, if you don't like it doesn't mean the whole world should not see it, because there are much people who WILL like it. I know that it's useless for me to type this, since there will always be people who don't get the point. But if you encounter one of those feel free to copy this reply or tell them what I try to tell everybody here.
Last ting I'll say about this is: It's better to not rate then to give a bad rating.

[rradikal]

hey ppl!

i have to say we've got freedom of speech - the public vote system
was made for everyone to express what they want.
it's subjective - maybe there are ppl who don't like UCD's presets.
we don't understand them and have right to have different opinion. -
so let's express it in voting. there are truckloads of ppl voting
so one man can't make much mess i guess.

and other thing: is it really so important to have those 5 stars?
i'm pretty sure that UCD knows exactly how much his presets are worth.
we showed how much we are amazed by his work and i guess such feedback
from ppl who are deep into avs is more important than any "lamaz" opionion ...

ur presets are gr8 UCD, don't worry about the stars ...

[flatmatt]

If this person really has caused extensive damage, we can remove their reviews... I'll put them on a list for the next time we purge bad reviews.

[edit]okay, yeah, looks like they've hit enough packs to qualify for removal. reported.[/edit]

[edit again]ah, see, these ratings may have gotten one of my packs among the top 20, yet i still reported it--aren't i nice? [/edit again]

[UnConeD]

I'm not against people voting lowly on my presets, as long as they have a solid reason and express it in their comments. This person simply copies the same message each time, so I don't consider it to be a seriously intended post.

[rradikal]

> This person simply copies the same message each time, so I don't
> consider it to be a seriously intended post

well, this changes a lot ...
repeating the same stuff doesn't seem to be right judging ...
so i'm gonna go and fix ur ratings - i'll vote for the 1st time in
my life!

[fish]

Janne Manne = just another brick in the wall of the winamp.com skins rebel force.


I've got a list of about a hundred people like that on the list sitting next to me, but i haven't updated it in weeks so it's surely to be even more.

[Doggy Dog]

Ughhhh, happened to me too, check out the link in the sig...... I think my review says it all....

[flatmatt]

Do any of the skin mods know about this list, phish?

[Antzas AVS]

Janne Manne sounds like a Finnish name. I dont have a clue why in the Hell HE is so stupid.

I have a Idea for the Winamp Feedback system!

Why cannot i send e-mail to the person who has wrote the Comment in my plugin ??

[UnConeD]

In actual time I usually spend 10 hours in total or so, but spread over a number days. I work on one preset, let it rest a while, work on it again, etc... Never totally satisfied

[Bekay]

hey, you make a Reply to my thread with your own Thread, thats kind of interesting

Bekay

[banjoe-john]

my mother once told me that if i had nothing nice to say, i should say nothing at all.

[Doggy Dog]

Almost happened to me once , can someone lock this thread and copy Unconed's post in the original thread .

[Bekay]

Hey, guys!
A Votingsystem doesn't only exist for good votings ... I think, It's OK, when somebody say his honest opinion!!!

But this "Janne Manne"-Person isn't honest This certain Person gave Whacko AVS II 2Stars and Marcos presets 0Stars ... they are some of the best AVS creators (I think) and the "Janne" votings are really shit!

Hope, this lamer don't vote for my presets (although I want that people rate my Preset Pak, but I dont mean that kind of people...)
Bekay

[Doggy Dog]

What !?!?!?! This is the wrong thread....... and who renamed this thread !?!?! This thread's name is Janne Manne - bad voting or something, the posts should've been moved to Bekays' thread.

[UnConeD]

My reply was to the "how long do you spend creating your presets", but something very weird happened so it ended up here. Sorry if it was my fault, but I don't think so

[Infectious One]

maybe the "Poste Subject:" Option changed it?
just a guess

[Doggy Dog]

Something like that..... Unconed posted a new topic instead of replying, I warned the mods that it has to be moved to the right thread (Bekay's thread), but the mod probably misunderstood and moved it in the wrong thread (Janne Manne - Bad Voting), and what's the funniest thing, they renamed the thread.....

And btw. I know this is probably rude or something, but WHEN are you going to remove Janne Manne's votes !!!!!!!!!!!!!! My pack is on four because of that......

[Bekay]

Hey Doggy, my Preset Pack is on 3.5 Stars, and that without a "Janna Manne"-Vote!!!!!! ......that makes me really sad

Bekay