Bde?

test · 8th July 2003, 03:00

G'Day Group,

Does any of you have a script template to install (and hopefully configure) the Borland Database Engine from NSIS?

Thanks a million !

kichik · 8th July 2003, 09:50

It doesn't seem like Borland helps their developers to do it. They only have a MSI merge module (can anybody say monopoly?

). If you can find something that explains how to get it working with another installer I can help you convert it to NSIS script.

MoNKi · 8th July 2003, 15:14

I have found some information on how to install BDE using Inno, you only need to convert the script to use it in NSIS, but i don't know if i can post the url here.

kichik · 8th July 2003, 15:26

InnoSetup is open source too, I don't think there should be any problem. I personally wouldn't mind if it was the other way around.

MoNKi · 8th July 2003, 15:30

Ok kichik, here is the url:

http://www.jrsoftware.org/ishowto.phtml?a=bde

It uses a program to create aliases, maybe someboy can make a nsis plugin for it.

kichik · 8th July 2003, 15:40

Well according to this page you have a file called BDEINST.CAB located in Program Files\Common Files\Borland Shared\BDE. Extract BDEINST.DLL from this file and use:

code:
GetTempFileName $0

File /oname=$0 C:\Path\To\Extracted\BDEINST.DLL

RegDLL $0

As for the aliases DLL, you'd need Delphi or Borland C++ Builder to build it. Both of which I don't have. You can either use the EXE in there (if the license permits it) or find someone with Delphi or Borland C++ Builder to create the DLL for you. It's possible that you can use BDE in Visual C++ too but I'm afraid I don't know how. If you know it, please share

Vytautas · 9th July 2003, 02:12

I do have delphi and could try to create a dll for this purpose, however i am not sure how to interface delphi dll's to NSIS plugin.

[edit]I downloaded the AddAlias program from the specified link and it is a free program for any use.[/edit]

Vytautas

Vytautas · 9th July 2003, 04:38

Just a few questions about the plugin system:
1. Would it need to return a a value to indicate if the task was performed succesfully.
2. What calling convention does the NSIS plugin system use.
3. After having a look at the AddAlias program it looks like the plugin will have to take 3 string (PChar) arguments. How do you transfer arguments between NSIS and the plugin?

Vytautas

kichik · 9th July 2003, 12:11

There's an example Delphi plug-in in Contrib\ExDLL. It answers everything you've asked.

Vytautas · 9th July 2003, 12:18

Thanks, I'll try to convert the AddAlias program into a plugin dll.

Vytautas

Vytautas · 16th July 2003, 12:22

Sorry about the delay, had some problems with the programming computer.

Attached is the BDE Alias Plugin. I will create an achive page for this ASAP.

Vytautas

BTW How do I attach a file to the archive page?

PS If you would like the delphi source code for the plugin please contact me.

kichik · 16th July 2003, 12:27

To upload files to the Archive you need admin privileges. You can send it to me, attach it here or upload it to somewhere I can download it and I'll upload it for you.

If you're already creating an archive page for this plug-in, how about including all of the required data to install BDE?

BTW, The standard with plug-ins is to get the arguments on the stack, not through the variables $0, $1, etc.

Vytautas · 16th July 2003, 12:34

I tried setting the data through the stack however I kept getting this error after the plugin command: 'the exception unknown software eception (0x0eedfade) ocurred in the application at location 0x77e8f142'.

After removing the variable transfer from the stack the error disapeared, so I think there might be some incompatibility between delphi 7 and NSIS.

Vytautas

kichik · 16th July 2003, 12:42

Does the example work?

Vytautas · 16th July 2003, 12:49

If you mean the exDLL example then yes it did work, although it only got one variable of the stack, if that makes any difference?

Vytautas

kichik · 16th July 2003, 12:52

The example only pops one value so it only gets one value. If the example works then there is probably something wrong with your code. If you upload/send me the related code part I can try to help you with it.

Vytautas · 16th July 2003, 12:56

Thanks kichik i'll post the code tomorrow as the 'original' source code is at work.

Vytautas

Vytautas · 17th July 2003, 09:21

Once again thanks kichik, I had deleted the original source code and only had a hard copy, so I descided to recreate the plugin using the stack from scratch and it worked. Now I think the problem was caused by me trying to convert PChar into delphi string or something similar. Attached is the new version of the plugin, if you could appach it to my archive page that would be greatly appreciated.

Vytautas

kichik · 17th July 2003, 11:19

Done.

http://nsis.sourceforge.net/archive/...e=bdealias.zip

Vytautas · 23rd July 2003, 00:07

I tried the compiled version of the BDE Installer program and for me it generates this error when installing BDE. See attached image of the error message. At first I thought it might be just a problem with the dll file however it works fine when using regsvr32, outside of NSIS.

Vytautas

Vytautas · 23rd July 2003, 00:11

Lets try this again.

Vytautas

kichik · 23rd July 2003, 12:03

Let me take a wild guess... You're running Windows 9x and it works when you use RegDLL /NOUNLOAD. Am I correct?

Vytautas · 23rd July 2003, 12:37

Well no, I tried this on Win98, Win2k & WinXP with same results. When I tried using /NOUNLOAD switch the dialog in the dll did not show at all, i.e. it did not run. Am I using the switch correctly?

code:
  GetTempFileName $0

  File /oname=$0 BDEINST.DLL

  RegDLL $0 /NOUNLOAD

Vytautas

kichik · 23rd July 2003, 12:37

No, the other way around. RegDLL /NOUNLOAD $0.

Vytautas · 23rd July 2003, 12:52

Same result

. BTW I'm using MUI and newest CSV, from 30 seconds ago, if that makes any difference.

Vytautas

kichik · 23rd July 2003, 16:26

A little confusion... Use:

CallInstDLL dllname.dll /NOUNLOAD DllRegisterServer

But on second thought, if the first wasn't right then the whole thing isn't right. Ramon is working on it right now, more examples would be nice.

Vytautas · 24th July 2003, 00:36

Thanks that seemed to work, no error message, will test further to make sure though. So is it better to use "CallInstDLL dllname.dll /NOUNLOAD DllRegisterServer" command instead of "regdll"?

Vytautas

Vytautas · 24th July 2003, 03:07

Do I need to 'unload' the dll after it is finished, it all works great in win2k but when i use win98se it install with no problems and the installer continues and displays the nsis finish page however the bde installation progress windows does not close down until nsis instoler is closed. Is there anything I can do to rectify this?

Vytautas

PS what examples do you need?

Vytautas · 24th July 2003, 04:15

After reading the info on the INNO Site I believe that this is not possible but knowing that NSIS is more powerfull I thought I'll ask anyway.

1) Is it possible to change the dir BDE is installed in from within the script, i.e. modify the dialog box in the BDE Installer.
2) Is it possible to programatically click 'next' in the message box that pops up when installing BDE.

Vytautas

Vytautas · 25th July 2003, 14:39

Just one more question: Is there a way to tell if the user canceled the BDE Installation and/or disable the cancel button. Using WinSpy++ I figgured out the name of the dialog and that it was made in delphi just not sure how to firstly find and then modify these elements.

Vytautas

ramon18 · 25th July 2003, 17:10

Not easy, I think that is good idea forget it, try to check the return value

nsExec::ExecToLog ...
pop $0 -> check if this value is different when you cancel or when setup finish with success.

good luck,
Ramon

Vytautas · 25th July 2003, 23:19

ramon18 how would I use "CallInstDLL dllname.dll /NOUNLOAD DllRegisterServer" with nsExec plugin?

Vytautas

MoNKi · 26th July 2003, 00:29

I have found this, a program that checks if bde is installed or not (with delphi source code) and a wise setup script. Is better than nothing.
http://ibinstall.defined.net/dl_bdeinfo.htm

And more info about bde installation:
http://www.bdesupport.com/deploy.htm

Vytautas · 8th September 2003, 03:03

The problem with the BDE installation dll appears to be fixed in the latest CSV version. Thanks to all the devs for making NSIS as bug free as possible.

Vytautas

Vytautas · 17th December 2003, 23:36

Could someone upload this update to the AddAlias Plugin. Now it allows to specify other parameters when adding an alias such as the user name.

Vytautas

kichik · 17th December 2003, 23:38

SF shell servers doesn't seem to like me at the moment. Status page says it's ok, but I can't connect

I'll try again tomorrow.

cchian · 18th December 2003, 05:02

Will this also work for 16-bit BDE?

Vytautas · 18th December 2003, 05:41

Not sure since I do not have a 16-bit version. Just try it on your system with a test script and then check using BDE Admin to see if the Alias was created or not.

Vytautas

kichik · 18th December 2003, 12:01

Uploaded.

BTW, how did you get it to not use MSVCRT.dll or did compile with something else than MinGW?

Vytautas · 18th December 2003, 12:05

Well actually this plugin was made with Delphi, no need for MSVCRT.dll

Vytautas

8th July 2003, 03:00	#1
test Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 12	Bde? G'Day Group, Does any of you have a script template to install (and hopefully configure) the Borland Database Engine from NSIS? Thanks a million !

8th July 2003, 09:50	#2
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	It doesn't seem like Borland helps their developers to do it. They only have a MSI merge module (can anybody say monopoly? ). If you can find something that explains how to get it working with another installer I can help you convert it to NSIS script. NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

8th July 2003, 15:26	#4
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	InnoSetup is open source too, I don't think there should be any problem. I personally wouldn't mind if it was the other way around. NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

8th July 2003, 15:40	#6
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	Well according to this page you have a file called BDEINST.CAB located in Program Files\Common Files\Borland Shared\BDE. Extract BDEINST.DLL from this file and use: code: GetTempFileName $0 File /oname=$0 C:\Path\To\Extracted\BDEINST.DLL RegDLL $0 As for the aliases DLL, you'd need Delphi or Borland C++ Builder to build it. Both of which I don't have. You can either use the EXE in there (if the license permits it) or find someone with Delphi or Borland C++ Builder to create the DLL for you. It's possible that you can use BDE in Visual C++ too but I'm afraid I don't know how. If you know it, please share NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

9th July 2003, 02:12	#7
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	I do have delphi and could try to create a dll for this purpose, however i am not sure how to interface delphi dll's to NSIS plugin. [edit]I downloaded the AddAlias program from the specified link and it is a free program for any use.[/edit] Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files Last edited by Vytautas; 9th July 2003 at 03:52.

8th July 2003, 15:14	#3
MoNKi Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 112	I have found some information on how to install BDE using Inno, you only need to convert the script to use it in NSIS, but i don't know if i can post the url here.

8th July 2003, 15:30	#5
MoNKi Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 112	Ok kichik, here is the url: http://www.jrsoftware.org/ishowto.phtml?a=bde It uses a program to create aliases, maybe someboy can make a nsis plugin for it.

9th July 2003, 04:38	#8
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	Just a few questions about the plugin system: 1. Would it need to return a a value to indicate if the task was performed succesfully. 2. What calling convention does the NSIS plugin system use. 3. After having a look at the AddAlias program it looks like the plugin will have to take 3 string (PChar) arguments. How do you transfer arguments between NSIS and the plugin? Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

9th July 2003, 12:11	#9
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	There's an example Delphi plug-in in Contrib\ExDLL. It answers everything you've asked. NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

9th July 2003, 12:18	#10
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	Thanks, I'll try to convert the AddAlias program into a plugin dll. Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

16th July 2003, 12:27	#12
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	To upload files to the Archive you need admin privileges. You can send it to me, attach it here or upload it to somewhere I can download it and I'll upload it for you. If you're already creating an archive page for this plug-in, how about including all of the required data to install BDE? BTW, The standard with plug-ins is to get the arguments on the stack, not through the variables $0, $1, etc. NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

16th July 2003, 12:34	#13
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	I tried setting the data through the stack however I kept getting this error after the plugin command: 'the exception unknown software eception (0x0eedfade) ocurred in the application at location 0x77e8f142'. After removing the variable transfer from the stack the error disapeared, so I think there might be some incompatibility between delphi 7 and NSIS. Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

16th July 2003, 12:42	#14
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	Does the example work? NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

16th July 2003, 12:49	#15
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	If you mean the exDLL example then yes it did work, although it only got one variable of the stack, if that makes any difference? Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

16th July 2003, 12:52	#16
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	The example only pops one value so it only gets one value. If the example works then there is probably something wrong with your code. If you upload/send me the related code part I can try to help you with it. NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

16th July 2003, 12:56	#17
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	Thanks kichik i'll post the code tomorrow as the 'original' source code is at work. Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

17th July 2003, 11:19	#19
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	Done. http://nsis.sourceforge.net/archive/...e=bdealias.zip NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

23rd July 2003, 00:07	#20
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	Installer Error I tried the compiled version of the BDE Installer program and for me it generates this error when installing BDE. See attached image of the error message. At first I thought it might be just a problem with the dll file however it works fine when using regsvr32, outside of NSIS. Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

23rd July 2003, 12:03	#22
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	Let me take a wild guess... You're running Windows 9x and it works when you use RegDLL /NOUNLOAD. Am I correct? NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

23rd July 2003, 12:37	#23
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	Well no, I tried this on Win98, Win2k & WinXP with same results. When I tried using /NOUNLOAD switch the dialog in the dll did not show at all, i.e. it did not run. Am I using the switch correctly? code: GetTempFileName $0 File /oname=$0 BDEINST.DLL RegDLL $0 /NOUNLOAD Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

23rd July 2003, 12:52	#25
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	Same result. BTW I'm using MUI and newest CSV, from 30 seconds ago, if that makes any difference. Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

23rd July 2003, 16:26	#26
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	A little confusion... Use: CallInstDLL dllname.dll /NOUNLOAD DllRegisterServer But on second thought, if the first wasn't right then the whole thing isn't right. Ramon is working on it right now, more examples would be nice. NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

24th July 2003, 00:36	#27
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	Thanks that seemed to work, no error message, will test further to make sure though. So is it better to use "CallInstDLL dllname.dll /NOUNLOAD DllRegisterServer" command instead of "regdll"? Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

24th July 2003, 03:07	#28
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	Do I need to 'unload' the dll after it is finished, it all works great in win2k but when i use win98se it install with no problems and the installer continues and displays the nsis finish page however the bde installation progress windows does not close down until nsis instoler is closed. Is there anything I can do to rectify this? Vytautas PS what examples do you need? My NSIS Mods and Files

24th July 2003, 04:15	#29
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	Just in case it is possible with NSIS After reading the info on the INNO Site I believe that this is not possible but knowing that NSIS is more powerfull I thought I'll ask anyway. 1) Is it possible to change the dir BDE is installed in from within the script, i.e. modify the dialog box in the BDE Installer. 2) Is it possible to programatically click 'next' in the message box that pops up when installing BDE. Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

25th July 2003, 14:39	#30
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	Just one more question: Is there a way to tell if the user canceled the BDE Installation and/or disable the cancel button. Using WinSpy++ I figgured out the name of the dialog and that it was made in delphi just not sure how to firstly find and then modify these elements. Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

25th July 2003, 17:10	#31
ramon18 NSIS Dev Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Portugal Posts: 110	Not easy, I think that is good idea forget it, try to check the return value nsExec::ExecToLog ... pop $0 -> check if this value is different when you cancel or when setup finish with success. good luck, Ramon

25th July 2003, 23:19	#32
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	ramon18 how would I use "CallInstDLL dllname.dll /NOUNLOAD DllRegisterServer" with nsExec plugin? Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

26th July 2003, 00:29	#33
MoNKi Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 112	I have found this, a program that checks if bde is installed or not (with delphi source code) and a wise setup script. Is better than nothing. http://ibinstall.defined.net/dl_bdeinfo.htm And more info about bde installation: http://www.bdesupport.com/deploy.htm

8th September 2003, 03:03	#34
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	The problem with the BDE installation dll appears to be fixed in the latest CSV version. Thanks to all the devs for making NSIS as bug free as possible. Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

17th December 2003, 23:38	#36
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	SF shell servers doesn't seem to like me at the moment. Status page says it's ok, but I can't connect I'll try again tomorrow. NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

18th December 2003, 05:02	#37
cchian Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 73	Will this also work for 16-bit BDE?

18th December 2003, 05:41	#38
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	Not sure since I do not have a 16-bit version. Just try it on your system with a test script and then check using BDE Admin to see if the Alias was created or not. Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files

18th December 2003, 12:01	#39
kichik M.I.A. [NSIS Dev, Mod] Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 11,343	Uploaded. BTW, how did you get it to not use MSVCRT.dll or did compile with something else than MinGW? NSIS FAQ \| NSIS Home Page \| Donate $ "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius

18th December 2003, 12:05	#40
Vytautas Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 643	Well actually this plugin was made with Delphi, no need for MSVCRT.dll Vytautas My NSIS Mods and Files