S-A-P AVS Contest

skupers · 26th August 2003, 08:12

I didn't know if you guys had seen this already, but on DeviantArt there's an Simple-As-Possible AVS contest. Full article here . It's quite refreshing to make something without dynmovs or sscs once.

Tuggummi · 26th August 2003, 08:34

Sounds great. I hope someone who doesn't do all thos whacky 3D raytraced dm's, ssc's and stuff doesn't win.

Deamon · 26th August 2003, 08:58

It wouldn't be s-a-p if somebody like that would, right? I'm wondering where the judges at devart put their lines.

skupers · 26th August 2003, 10:53

The article says:

No dynamic movements, distance modifiers, or shifts.
No superscopes.

That are the only rules. But you can still use the bump, which can be programmed to for example use for an alphablending-like effect (which I'm using to put that dynamic touch in my presets

).

Tuggummi · 26th August 2003, 10:56

Yes yes, i know they can't use the heavy effects, but they still can enter and make simple stuff

I just thought it would be "wrong" for someone advanced to win

Magic.X · 26th August 2003, 11:36

N00000b contest! lol

I like the idea!

horse-fly · 26th August 2003, 19:40

the link doesn't work for me

Edit: oh wait, there we go

[Ishan] · 27th August 2003, 09:46

we're going to see a lot of n00b presets there

Deamon · 27th August 2003, 15:16

enjoy

[Ishan] · 27th August 2003, 16:17

yeah, i mean movement is the only better thing we could use then.

anubis2003 · 27th August 2003, 16:19

Someone should make a new APE that does the same thing as a SSC or DM.

They couldn't getcha for that.

[Ishan] · 27th August 2003, 16:45

if ssc's are not allowed which render would you use then?
simple?oscillating star?rotating stars?dot grid?bass spin?

GET REAL PLEASE!

horse-fly · 27th August 2003, 18:00

ishan, there is a difference between noob presets and old school.

Warrior of the Light · 27th August 2003, 20:40

I've been trying all afternoon, but all I get has been done, done and overdone before. The idea was tempting, I admit, but it just not realizable. Let's face it; we cant live without SSC's and DM's ;'(

Deamon · 27th August 2003, 21:14

old school has still dynamic distance modifier

horse-fly · 28th August 2003, 06:32

actually, most old presets i remember of rarely even used the ddm. most were based on some type of movement for some effect, but superscopes were common... nuts.

Edit:

rattaplan: this is how spoiled you newbs are, and i can say that as i have been working with avs since people were amazed by the implementation of the dymanic shift.

Doggy Dog · 28th August 2003, 07:53

Ooh, now that's MY teritory

.

Tuggummi · 28th August 2003, 10:18

I agree with horse-fly, You new folk are too spoiled

Tho even i don't understand the forbidding of superscopes... i have avsed for 4 years now and i have always been able to use superscopes... well maybe it's better, because i doubt anyone would settle for "only simple superscopes"

Anyway, here is my entry to the contest. I think it's an ok sample that you can indeed do cool stuff even without the megaeffects.

Warrior of the Light · 28th August 2003, 10:19

Horse-Fly, mind who you're talking to! Who are you calling a newb? i've been AVS'ing for well over 3 years now... I know very well what i'm talking about. It's just that i didn't have an internet connection bavk in those days. I've been using 3.5" disks to share presets with my friends... Aah.. the old days

horse-fly · 28th August 2003, 18:47

the idea is nowadays, that most people use superscopes and dm's, not even realizing that there are other effects in the library. Of course those are most customizable, but you can some times get the same effect when using some of those "noobish" or as i call them old school effects.

The only reason i called you a newb (i didn't know that you worked with avs for 3 years now) is that you (among other people) have become too dependent on superscopes and dynamic movements. Most of the forum entries here are based on the science of avs, just to become more technically pleasing, when the art of avs is lost.

So as you have been working with avs for three years, you should well know how to make presets without the need for most of those dynamic trans.

Warrior of the Light · 28th August 2003, 19:05

I do, but static presets have been around for so long, almost everything has been done before. This makes it extremely difficult to come up with something that's never been seen before.

That's what I meant with not being able to live without dynamics. I mean, look at today's presets and at the oldschool presets. the older ones are very repetative compared to what we're doing today. Especially the use of timers gives you so much more freedom.

And yeah, we still have the DDM... And Horse-Fly, you know what? you're right. I haven't been using that one almost ever since the DM, although I do use other effects, but I have a *LOT* of unpublished work that uses them, but that isn't worth publishing. But thing is, that i'm currently working on finding out how to handle complexer 3D SSC's myself.. Yeah, I know, d/l 3 random packs and i should be able to know everything I need to know, but the sport is to find things out myself in advanve instead of ripping someone elses code apart afterward... That's what keeps me AVS'sing, breaking my brain over having the code written out in my mind... hmmmm...

nixa · 30th August 2003, 15:46

I returned from my vacation just in time for a contest

And I remember a time when there was no warp or bylinear filtering but there were still cool presets.

jheriko · 30th August 2003, 22:12

I actually managed to make a couple of decent presets with no DMs and SSCs... I still managed to fill one of them with a shit ton of code and a raytraced torus though.

Deamon · 31st August 2003, 20:27

how n00bies, jheriko

zamuz · 4th September 2003, 01:42

i made one too, but as tugg pointed out, it's not 'right' that we use apes in the entries, although they're not denied. i think i've been depending lately on some apes, but i guess that's the only chance left knowing that nullsoft won't update avs.

Tuggummi · 4th September 2003, 06:15

Yeah, but zamuz you have no need to take my words seriously, im just a fanatic about "0ldsk00l avs" and probably the only one in this contest... Use your damn monkeys, but don't be suprised if i bitch about it

zamuz · 4th September 2003, 23:56

i think el-vis didn't use apes either... and i love my monkeys, keep your bitches away from em

Raz · 5th September 2003, 16:49

I'm currently experimenting with plane DM's without rotation in movements. Quite interesting.

skupers · 6th September 2003, 16:11

The winner of the contest should be announced soon. I think the judges will have a hard time, there were so many great entries.

Synth-C · 25th September 2003, 17:48

When will the results be published?

skupers · 25th September 2003, 18:13

I have no idea. They should have been published 3 weeks ago. I'll send a note to avs-king.

Tuggummi · 26th September 2003, 05:03

The results are gone, they were posted like 2 weeks ago and they soon vanished from the mainpage (because of the other news posts) and there seems to be no way to surf old news topics

anubis2003 · 26th September 2003, 05:06

yeah, I thought I had seen them.

Magic.X · 26th September 2003, 05:11

Damn! I obviously missed them.

Tuggummi · 26th September 2003, 05:18

Well nemo won in case your wondering.

skupers · 26th September 2003, 05:59

I didn't even see Nemo's submission. I guess I'll have to check it out.

Synth-C · 26th September 2003, 18:56

can somebody post the results here?

Tuggummi · 27th September 2003, 12:32

There are no other results than the winner

Yathosho · 27th September 2003, 12:44

google found it, the official announce is here

Tuggummi · 27th September 2003, 13:19

yay google

google vs devart
1 - 0

26th August 2003, 08:12	#1
skupers Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 207	S-A-P AVS Contest I didn't know if you guys had seen this already, but on DeviantArt there's an Simple-As-Possible AVS contest. Full article here . It's quite refreshing to make something without dynmovs or sscs once.

26th August 2003, 08:34	#2
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Sounds great. I hope someone who doesn't do all thos whacky 3D raytraced dm's, ssc's and stuff doesn't win. Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

26th August 2003, 08:58	#3
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	It wouldn't be s-a-p if somebody like that would, right? I'm wondering where the judges at devart put their lines. .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

26th August 2003, 10:56	#5
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Yes yes, i know they can't use the heavy effects, but they still can enter and make simple stuff I just thought it would be "wrong" for someone advanced to win Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

26th August 2003, 11:36	#6
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	N00000b contest! lol I like the idea! -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

26th August 2003, 10:53	#4
skupers Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 207	The article says: No dynamic movements, distance modifiers, or shifts. No superscopes. That are the only rules. But you can still use the bump, which can be programmed to for example use for an alphablending-like effect (which I'm using to put that dynamic touch in my presets ).

26th August 2003, 19:40	#7
horse-fly Account Closed Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,360	the link doesn't work for me Edit: oh wait, there we go

27th August 2003, 09:46	#8
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	we're going to see a lot of n00b presets there Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

27th August 2003, 15:16	#9
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	enjoy .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

27th August 2003, 16:17	#10
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	yeah, i mean movement is the only better thing we could use then. Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

27th August 2003, 16:19	#11
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	Someone should make a new APE that does the same thing as a SSC or DM. They couldn't getcha for that. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

27th August 2003, 16:45	#12
[Ishan] Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: India Posts: 1,156	if ssc's are not allowed which render would you use then? simple?oscillating star?rotating stars?dot grid?bass spin? GET REAL PLEASE! Amateur AVS'er. All over again. Last AVS Pack : Resurgence

27th August 2003, 18:00	#13
horse-fly Account Closed Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,360	ishan, there is a difference between noob presets and old school.

27th August 2003, 20:40	#14
Warrior of the Light Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,121	I've been trying all afternoon, but all I get has been done, done and overdone before. The idea was tempting, I admit, but it just not realizable. Let's face it; we cant live without SSC's and DM's ;'( Jesus loves you [yes, you] so much, he even died for you so that you will not need to die, but live forever

27th August 2003, 21:14	#15
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	old school has still dynamic distance modifier .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

28th August 2003, 07:53	#17
Doggy Dog Canis Sapiens (Reviewer) Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Split, Croatia Posts: 1,832	Ooh, now that's MY teritory . My latest pack (old): http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=134260 My latest skin: A Skin ? v1.0: http://www.winamp.com/skins/details.php?id=135874

28th August 2003, 06:32	#16
horse-fly Account Closed Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,360	actually, most old presets i remember of rarely even used the ddm. most were based on some type of movement for some effect, but superscopes were common... nuts. Edit: rattaplan: this is how spoiled you newbs are, and i can say that as i have been working with avs since people were amazed by the implementation of the dymanic shift.

28th August 2003, 10:19	#19
Warrior of the Light Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,121	Horse-Fly, mind who you're talking to! Who are you calling a newb? i've been AVS'ing for well over 3 years now... I know very well what i'm talking about. It's just that i didn't have an internet connection bavk in those days. I've been using 3.5" disks to share presets with my friends... Aah.. the old days Jesus loves you [yes, you] so much, he even died for you so that you will not need to die, but live forever

28th August 2003, 18:47	#20
horse-fly Account Closed Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,360	the idea is nowadays, that most people use superscopes and dm's, not even realizing that there are other effects in the library. Of course those are most customizable, but you can some times get the same effect when using some of those "noobish" or as i call them old school effects. The only reason i called you a newb (i didn't know that you worked with avs for 3 years now) is that you (among other people) have become too dependent on superscopes and dynamic movements. Most of the forum entries here are based on the science of avs, just to become more technically pleasing, when the art of avs is lost. So as you have been working with avs for three years, you should well know how to make presets without the need for most of those dynamic trans.

28th August 2003, 19:05	#21
Warrior of the Light Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,121	I do, but static presets have been around for so long, almost everything has been done before. This makes it extremely difficult to come up with something that's never been seen before. That's what I meant with not being able to live without dynamics. I mean, look at today's presets and at the oldschool presets. the older ones are very repetative compared to what we're doing today. Especially the use of timers gives you so much more freedom. And yeah, we still have the DDM... And Horse-Fly, you know what? you're right. I haven't been using that one almost ever since the DM, although I do use other effects, but I have a LOT of unpublished work that uses them, but that isn't worth publishing. But thing is, that i'm currently working on finding out how to handle complexer 3D SSC's myself.. Yeah, I know, d/l 3 random packs and i should be able to know everything I need to know, but the sport is to find things out myself in advanve instead of ripping someone elses code apart afterward... That's what keeps me AVS'sing, breaking my brain over having the code written out in my mind... hmmmm... Jesus loves you [yes, you] so much, he even died for you so that you will not need to die, but live forever

30th August 2003, 15:46	#22
nixa Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 149	I returned from my vacation just in time for a contest And I remember a time when there was no warp or bylinear filtering but there were still cool presets.

30th August 2003, 22:12	#23
jheriko Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: a twist in the fabric of space Posts: 2,150	I actually managed to make a couple of decent presets with no DMs and SSCs... I still managed to fill one of them with a shit ton of code and a raytraced torus though. -- Jheriko 'Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers'

31st August 2003, 20:27	#24
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	how n00bies, jheriko .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

4th September 2003, 01:42	#25
zamuz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: santiago, chile Posts: 152	i made one too, but as tugg pointed out, it's not 'right' that we use apes in the entries, although they're not denied. i think i've been depending lately on some apes, but i guess that's the only chance left knowing that nullsoft won't update avs.

4th September 2003, 06:15	#26
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Yeah, but zamuz you have no need to take my words seriously, im just a fanatic about "0ldsk00l avs" and probably the only one in this contest... Use your damn monkeys, but don't be suprised if i bitch about it Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

4th September 2003, 23:56	#27
zamuz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: santiago, chile Posts: 152	i think el-vis didn't use apes either... and i love my monkeys, keep your bitches away from em

5th September 2003, 16:49	#28
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	I'm currently experimenting with plane DM's without rotation in movements. Quite interesting.

6th September 2003, 16:11	#29
skupers Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 207	The winner of the contest should be announced soon. I think the judges will have a hard time, there were so many great entries.

25th September 2003, 17:48	#30
Synth-C Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 47	When will the results be published?

25th September 2003, 18:13	#31
skupers Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 207	I have no idea. They should have been published 3 weeks ago. I'll send a note to avs-king.

26th September 2003, 05:03	#32
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	The results are gone, they were posted like 2 weeks ago and they soon vanished from the mainpage (because of the other news posts) and there seems to be no way to surf old news topics Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

26th September 2003, 05:06	#33
anubis2003 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: middle of somewhere Posts: 5,564	yeah, I thought I had seen them. [Over The Monkey] \| [My DeviantArt] \| [Se ti] \| [Atmo Digital Design Forums]

26th September 2003, 05:11	#34
Magic.X Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Leipzig / Germany Posts: 859	Damn! I obviously missed them. -=[The Ultimate VJ-Tool for AVS]=- Hotlist 2.3 developement thread (old)

26th September 2003, 05:18	#35
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Well nemo won in case your wondering. Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

26th September 2003, 05:59	#36
skupers Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 207	I didn't even see Nemo's submission. I guess I'll have to check it out.

26th September 2003, 18:56	#37
Synth-C Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 47	can somebody post the results here?