UK Licensing!

mwisby · 22nd September 2003, 20:48

Is there any cheap way of going legit in the UK?? i know there is a joing MCPS and PRS Licence that is like 8% of income or something. but what if i'm not making any money?!?!?!

What can i do. I got a mail from MCPS saying that my site contains un licenced audio content... could i just take the embedded streaming players off the site to keep them quiet....

help!

Jay · 22nd September 2003, 20:52

just remove all audio links from your site that relay your site users to copyrighted content.

mwisby · 22nd September 2003, 21:16

is it ok to have a link that just says click here to listen in winamp or something, cos only since i put the embedded media player in have they started to mail me!

Doughnut_Doney · 11th October 2003, 15:43

Whats the law regarding playing normal playlists from your computer and not selling anything??

Cheers for any response

DJ-Garybaldy · 15th October 2003, 04:21

OOER - im glad i read this forum - im in manchester Uk and ive just started broadcasting..... ill carry on until, they say they wnat money from me i suppose.

http://baldyradio.*********** Baldy radio on air Most days from 3pm GMT

jackherer · 15th October 2003, 16:22

The way MCPS and PRS look at it is that they do not care where or by who the audio is hosted, but if you link to it from your site then you are providing the content. Whether or not this would stand up in court i don't know, but do you fancy finding out ?

The joint MCPS PRS license is very strict in that it limits you to 30 second samples of tunes and/or pre recorded broadcasts of live recordings or recordings of multiple tracks (i think it does anyway the wording of the licence is somwhat vague). It is also very expensive and is a fised amount of money with a limit on the amount of music you can use rather than a percentage of income.

Please note as well that PRS/MCPS are only licensing the song and not the recording, just because you have a PRS/MCPS license does not neccesarrily mean that you can stream music you will also require a license from the copyright holder of the sound recording (usually the record label). The PPL is the equivilent of the PRS/MCPS for this but the only internet license they currently give out is a license for radio stations to "simulcast" their FM/AM broadcast over the internet, they do not supply an internet only license of any sort.

andy_rouse · 15th October 2003, 18:55

<sigh> why can't the world be a simpler place, without ppl trying to take money off you every three seconds.

jackherer · 16th October 2003, 15:55

Quote:

Originally posted by andy_rouse
<sigh> why can't the world be a simpler place, without ppl trying to take money off you every three seconds.

Because PPL are a bunch of antiqauted morons with their heads stuck up their arse ;-) As far as i can see their is no legal way of running and internet stream in the UK unless you have the specific permision of all of the copyright holders for the spound recording or you are an existing AM/FM radio station that wants to stream the same broadcast over the internet.

DJ-Garybaldy · 16th October 2003, 23:24

Sounds all very complex but Would they really have the Ability and finances to take everyone In the Uk Broadcasting live radio to court?? I dont think they have - Bit like the Downloading Of Mp3 Files it would seem!!! Should they want to pick on me ill let ya know!! ill ceratinly put upa Fight LOL... oh well Happy Broadcasting LOL

gareth170 · 19th October 2003, 19:14

can someone please tell me. i live in the uk. do i need any sort of licence to broadcast music over the internet using my internet connection as a server? i wont be making no money fron doing it.

yes or no?

DJ-Garybaldy · 20th October 2003, 02:34

Gareth Im in the Dark as Much as you are - I just hope and pray that if we are doing it as a hobby like i am that we dont have to pay anything - as i sed b4 I suppose its a bit like mp3 downloads no one gets charged for them do they!!

DjDemonD · 23rd October 2003, 20:20

We at Selecta Radio have received the same email. As a result we are thinking of using Live365 instead since they organise licenses.

Either that or using a US hosted website under a .com address.

I would be very interested to know if anyone has blatantly flouted this request for a license and what happened.

We were quoted £2500/yr for mcps/prs LOEL license.

This as you rightly pointed out doesnt entitle you to use PPL recordings which I think costs a further £500/yr but as you said is not an internet only license.

Do you think if we removed the stream links from the site and instead just gave them out by chatroom or email or something PRS would be happier.

Its such a shame really the USA have just been through this crap and come out with the small webcasters settlement agreement which was hardly ideal.

Any thoughts?

22nd September 2003, 20:48	#1
mwisby Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 72	UK Licensing! Is there any cheap way of going legit in the UK?? i know there is a joing MCPS and PRS Licence that is like 8% of income or something. but what if i'm not making any money?!?!?! What can i do. I got a mail from MCPS saying that my site contains un licenced audio content... could i just take the embedded streaming players off the site to keep them quiet.... help!

22nd September 2003, 20:52	#2
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,942	just remove all audio links from your site that relay your site users to copyrighted content. -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

15th October 2003, 04:21	#5
DJ-Garybaldy Forum King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Harpurhey, Manchester UK Posts: 3,944	OOER - im glad i read this forum - im in manchester Uk and ive just started broadcasting..... ill carry on until, they say they wnat money from me i suppose. http://baldyradio.*********** Baldy radio on air Most days from 3pm GMT RadioDJ - Winamp - SAMBC

15th October 2003, 16:22	#6
jackherer Major Dude Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 942	The way MCPS and PRS look at it is that they do not care where or by who the audio is hosted, but if you link to it from your site then you are providing the content. Whether or not this would stand up in court i don't know, but do you fancy finding out ? The joint MCPS PRS license is very strict in that it limits you to 30 second samples of tunes and/or pre recorded broadcasts of live recordings or recordings of multiple tracks (i think it does anyway the wording of the licence is somwhat vague). It is also very expensive and is a fised amount of money with a limit on the amount of music you can use rather than a percentage of income. Please note as well that PRS/MCPS are only licensing the song and not the recording, just because you have a PRS/MCPS license does not neccesarrily mean that you can stream music you will also require a license from the copyright holder of the sound recording (usually the record label). The PPL is the equivilent of the PRS/MCPS for this but the only internet license they currently give out is a license for radio stations to "simulcast" their FM/AM broadcast over the internet, they do not supply an internet only license of any sort. Do not PM me for tech support !

16th October 2003, 23:24	#9
DJ-Garybaldy Forum King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Harpurhey, Manchester UK Posts: 3,944	Sounds all very complex but Would they really have the Ability and finances to take everyone In the Uk Broadcasting live radio to court?? I dont think they have - Bit like the Downloading Of Mp3 Files it would seem!!! Should they want to pick on me ill let ya know!! ill ceratinly put upa Fight LOL... oh well Happy Broadcasting LOL RadioDJ - Winamp - SAMBC

22nd September 2003, 21:16	#3
mwisby Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 72	is it ok to have a link that just says click here to listen in winamp or something, cos only since i put the embedded media player in have they started to mail me!

11th October 2003, 15:43	#4
Doughnut_Doney Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 5	Whats the law regarding playing normal playlists from your computer and not selling anything?? Cheers for any response

15th October 2003, 18:55	#7
andy_rouse Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 10	<sigh> why can't the world be a simpler place, without ppl trying to take money off you every three seconds.

19th October 2003, 19:14	#10
gareth170 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3	can someone please tell me. i live in the uk. do i need any sort of licence to broadcast music over the internet using my internet connection as a server? i wont be making no money fron doing it. yes or no?

20th October 2003, 02:34	#11
DJ-Garybaldy Forum King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Harpurhey, Manchester UK Posts: 3,944	Gareth Im in the Dark as Much as you are - I just hope and pray that if we are doing it as a hobby like i am that we dont have to pay anything - as i sed b4 I suppose its a bit like mp3 downloads no one gets charged for them do they!! RadioDJ - Winamp - SAMBC

23rd October 2003, 20:20	#12
DjDemonD Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 59	We at Selecta Radio have received the same email. As a result we are thinking of using Live365 instead since they organise licenses. Either that or using a US hosted website under a .com address. I would be very interested to know if anyone has blatantly flouted this request for a license and what happened. We were quoted £2500/yr for mcps/prs LOEL license. This as you rightly pointed out doesnt entitle you to use PPL recordings which I think costs a further £500/yr but as you said is not an internet only license. Do you think if we removed the stream links from the site and instead just gave them out by chatroom or email or something PRS would be happier. Its such a shame really the USA have just been through this crap and come out with the small webcasters settlement agreement which was hardly ideal. Any thoughts?

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