Call me an ass, but what is nullsoft thinking?

[Reaper]

Originally posted by StationLex
....what else should I expect from this forum? ...

Not much, honestly. We can either download a 4MB program or like some others at this forum prefer, a 1-2MB program(Foobar). Both of which are far superior than Apple's creation that they made so they can get more money off of their iTunes service.

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by RonnyJ
I'm just wondering.. since this OGG encoder is a plugin, is there anything to stop someone else writing a free MP3 encoding plugin for Winamp?

Don't forget that Winamp has been capable of CD-Ripping for a long time before Winamp 5 or 2.9x

Ok, pre 2.90 we had to use the CDReader plugin to get "digital audio extraction", but now this is capable with the default in_cdda plugin.

So, with DAE enabled, you can use any output plugin to rip to whatever format, and at full speed. You don't have to use the built-in library ripper.

out_vorbis
out_enc
out_mp3
out_whatever

Also, Diskwriter can be configured to use any ACM codec installed on the system, so if you've got Fraunhofer Pro, then you're already in there.
(though out_enc is better, 'cos it comes with LameEnc, yay!)

Sure, it's not got all the features of CDex/EAC, but neither has the built-in ripper. But as long as your hardware is good, the end results are pretty good too

[ElChevelle]

Originally posted by StationLex
....what else should I expect from this forum? ...

[Oni-Dracula]

Originally posted by Reaper
Not much, honestly. We can either download a 4MB program or like some others at this forum prefer, a 1-2MB program(Foobar). Both of which are far superior than Apple's creation that they made so they can get more money off of their iTunes service.

iTunes is great in theory but has to be one of the ugliest players I've seen. It almost reminds me of java applets...dull colors and shitty content. Musicmatch has the same prices for music, plus it works on windows.

[fwgx]

Originally posted by BMWboy
I'll pay for the pro version, even though I probably will not use any of the features, just because I think it's only fair to kick a little money their way. and the dude who wants to only charge foreigners, he must be on some pretty powerful drugs.

That was my point above, none of that money will actually go to Nullsoft, just straight to the people they get the MP3 lisences from.

[nicodereycke]

Before saying wheter you're going to buy it or not, don't you better wait until you know the price?
I'm also planning to buy Winamp Pro but I first have to see how much it costs ad then I will consider.

BTW, does anybody know an aproximate price yet?

PS: I'm not talking to anyone in special, it's just my opinion

[will]

Originally posted by nicodereycke
Before saying wheter you're going to buy it or not, don't you better wait until you know the price?
I'm also planning to buy Winamp Pro but I first have to see how much it costs ad then I will consider.

BTW, does anybody know an aproximate price yet?

PS: I'm not talking to anyone in special, it's just my opinion

its not going to be much, just enough to cover the costs of the licences it grants.

[k_rock923]

Originally posted by StationLex
....what else should I expect from this forum? ...

If you don't like it you can leave

[zootm]

Originally posted by StationLex
don't hate me because my internet is faster!

i seriously doubt it.

unless you have a dual T3.

[Oni-Dracula]

dual T3 pwnage!!!!

[mark]

i have AOL....


576k DSL AOL!!!!









but still AOl....

[StationLex]

Originally posted by zootm
i seriously doubt it.

unless you have a dual T3.

I have two! ... it's quad T3

[zootm]

by gum, that sounds unnecessary!

lots of porno, then?

[k_rock923]

could you explain to me just what T3 and T1 is? ive looked around and it seems like a quad T3 would cost thousands per month. me = very confused. where the hell is Atmo?

[whiteflip]

I'm not going to pay for winamp pro when it comes out because I already have programs that I like using that do the job winamp pro will do. If Winamp Pro has features that these programs do not or do things better than my programs than I will gladly buy it but as of now Winamp Pro doesnt seem to have the features that will compel me to buy it as it currently stands.

Maybe if they made it cook my toast or soemthing hehe

[ZeosPantera]

I SINcerely appologise for my coments and suggestions that only foreigners pay for Pro. and in response to BMWBoy , no I am not on any drugs that my doctor hasnt perscribed or that werent given to me at a party.

[s1138]

if you pay for winamp pro, it is my understanding AOL will get the money.
however, that money will help pay Nullsofts employees, as well as, hopefully, hire more, or improve the conditions or something.

[Germ]

Improving conditions = More twinkies in the cabinets at the office.

[Oni-Dracula]

more twinkies and caffienated products from thinkgeek.com!

[bored154]

there should be like an AOL discount for those who use AOL.(i dont use AOL.. i used to though)

[dlinkwit27]

Originally posted by bored154
there should be like an AOL discount for those who use AOL.(i dont use AOL.. i used to though)

i wouldn't be supprised if pro came bundled with AOL. It woudln't be a half bad gimmick to get some computer-smart-people back.

[Fickle]

I like how you used the word "gimmick" there. a beaut.

[whiteflip]

AOL users get screwed with. That is the worst ISP service I have ever had the nonprivilage to see. You pay 23.95 usd a month for slow speeds bad connections ADVERTISING IN YOUR ISP EMAIL and bloated software. Plus you dont even get discounts for other AOL products or any special privilages that regular users cant just access by going to AOL.com.

I'll buy a Winamp Pro if money goes to nullsoft and not aol.

[liquidmotion]

Originally posted by ElChevelle

i would like more of that

i'm on 10mbit line

[xzxzzx]

No, actually, there isn't anything preventing someone from doing that, besides the lawsuit that would be in their mailbox about two seconds after they posted it.

[prodangle]

You are an ass.

Your post is an insult to everyone at Nullsoft.
You don't have to pay for it, if you don't want to use it. Stealing it would be bad though.
Developers need money, to feed and clothe there families. No, really, they do. Would you prefer Justin developed Winamp only in his spare time and spent most of the week earning cash working behind a hotdog stand?
Besides, you'll only be paying for the features that cost Nullsoft money to include.
I'll gladly pay for some of the hard work they've put in.

[dlinkwit27]

Originally posted by prodangle
You are an ass.

Your post is an insult to everyone at Nullsoft.
You don't have to pay for it, if you don't want to use it. Stealing it would be bad though.
Developers need money, to feed and clothe there families. No, really, they do. Would you prefer Justin developed Winamp only in his spare time and spent most of the week earning cash working behind a hotdog stand?
Besides, you'll only be paying for the features that cost Nullsoft money to include.
I'll gladly pay for some of the hard work they've put in.

You must also have only legally owned software and absolutly no downloaded music on yoru computer then i take it?

[Gonzotek]

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But if he's even a wee lil bit smart, he won't go declaring he does or intends to on a message board. Especially if it's of the software he's ripping off.

-=Gonzotek=-

[Oni-Dracula]

Originally posted by prodangle
You are an ass.

Your post is an insult to everyone at Nullsoft.
You don't have to pay for it, if you don't want to use it. Stealing it would be bad though.
Developers need money, to feed and clothe there families. No, really, they do. Would you prefer Justin developed Winamp only in his spare time and spent most of the week earning cash working behind a hotdog stand?
Besides, you'll only be paying for the features that cost Nullsoft money to include.
I'll gladly pay for some of the hard work they've put in.

I thought that AOL funded Nullsoft and therefore indirectly paid justin and everyone else...just because a product is free dosen't mean someones not making money off of it.

[fwgx]

Originally posted by prodangle
I'll gladly pay for some of the hard work they've put in.

But you wont, that's my point. You'll just pay for the work the people who sell the MP3 liences put in and Nullsoft / AOL will see non of that money at all.

[StationLex]

Originally posted by prodangle
Would you prefer Justin developed Winamp only in his spare time and spent most of the week earning cash working behind a hotdog stand?

I would. But that's just me....

[DJ Egg]

I'm THIS close to sending this thread to /dev/null

[Oni-Dracula]

do it, egg.

[Janus Lunar]

Thanks, but in any case, unless Winamp 5 supports ALL Winamp 2.9x plug-ins....... no dice for me.

[DragonSon]

It's a shame Winamp 5 won't have your endorsement.

[s1138]

Originally posted by Janus Lunar
Thanks, but in any case, unless Winamp 5 supports ALL Winamp 2.9x plug-ins....... no dice for me.

and here i thought it did

[DJ Egg]

Of course it does. Winamp is Winamp is Winamp (1.x, 2.x, 5.x) is not Winamp3.

Some might need updating slightly though...

[Oni-Dracula]

Winamp5 is just winamp2 with winamp3's skinning and some features built on it, no? No wasabi, though.

[whiteflip]

Hey Im digging the betas new skin. Especially the xbox theme of it. If it means anything I think Winamp5.0 beta really whips the you know.

[DJ Egg]

Originally posted by JustSomeOni
Winamp5 is just winamp2 with winamp3's skinning and some features built on it, no? No wasabi, though.

Something along the lines of . . .

Product 1: Winamp (0.x, 1.x, 2.x, 5.x)
Typed as Winamp 2, Winamp 2.91, Winamp 5.0
Built on standard Win32 engine (C++ / DLL's, etc)

Product 2: Winamp3 (current public version = 1.0.0.488 = v1.0 build #488)
Built from scratch on the wasabi platform

Winamp 5.0 is the direct upgrade from Winamp 2.9x
ie. Unlike Winamp3, it installs to the same dir and overwrites/replaces it.

Features from Winamp3 have been added to the Winamp (Win32) core, but not the exact same features, if you know what I mean . . . eg.
Freeform skin support via a plugin
New video window (added in 2.9x forerunner, but can now be integrated into main window)
New library (initially added in 2.9x forerunner)
Built-in XFade (button/slider now links into out_ds)
Repeat one, all, none (workaround . . . that actually works now, yay!)
Multiple playlists support - no pledit sidecar, but in library & also accesible via: playlist window -> Manage Playlist (list) button.

Features in Winamp 5.0 but not in Winamp3:
Ripping/Burning
Folder monitoring to auto update the library
Unicode TTF Font support (beta2)
Shoutcast Radio & TV listings (ok, this was also added in 2.9x)
"Send To" menu (in library right-click contexts)
Mass tagging capability (limited, but there!)
video & avs attachable/detachable in main window
Advanced (Global) Title Formatting
Full support for all Winamp 2.x skins & plugins
Everything else from Winamp 2.x . . . ie. all the "missing" features that people moaned about when Winamp3 was first released . . . and yes, we will now get it again for Winamp 5.0, but on a much smaller scale - tf
(eg. where's the sidecar?, where's "play next"? etc).

And yes wasabi. Freeform skin support is wasabi
C:\Program Files\Winamp\Plugins\freeform\xml