Paint Shop

DarkTower · 9th July 2000, 07:29

I use microsoft paint shop and make all my skins.....i admit my highest score was 3 *'s but anyways what other programs are ther out there and like are they that much different?

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-DarkTower

Ice · 9th July 2000, 08:30

Adobe Photoshop is the best in my oppinion... cost: $600 webcollection: $999

iomegajaz · 9th July 2000, 16:47

Ice, puh-lease tell me you didn't PAY for it....

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Ice · 9th July 2000, 18:23

i'd pay for it if i could afford it. when i get a *real* job, i'll buy it. it's a good product. all of the adobe products are quality.

Xerxes · 9th July 2000, 19:16

Yeah... Adobe is best- If you wanted to stay legal you could get photoshop "Special Edition" which kills some of the features and it's like 30 dollars or so...

ANOTHER option you could try is whats called
the "GIMP". Its completely freeware, because
it's a linux application. There is a real good windows port available, and I after
using it will say truthfully that it can
NEARLY do everything the Adobe can.

Xerxes

MS Paint has been clinically proven to stifle
creativity- the Surgeon General recomends that you stop using it- especcially if you
are pregnant.

Spoonman · 10th July 2000, 17:39

I find that Paint Shop Pro from Jasc to be a good compromise between Photoshop and a basic paint program. It can do layers, which is key, but doesn't have a lot of the bells and whistles of Photoshop.

--Spoonman

Bilbo Baggins · 10th July 2000, 19:37

Also, PSP is a lot faster than Photoshop, and comes with a fairly good animated gif maker.

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DarkTower · 10th July 2000, 20:19

ummm.......thanx $900?....na one word >warez< didnt hear that from me

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-DarkTower

Tariq · 10th July 2000, 20:37

Well I kind of used Paint shop pro for my skins. I have not posted them anywhere yet. You get some good effects on that.
I have enven heard if you get 3D studion Max you can do awsome graphics, and really pimp up your skin,
but still the best handy graphics package would be adobe photoshop, and like iomegajaz
says you can easily find a crack

iomegajaz · 11th July 2000, 06:44

[nevermind]

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[This message has been edited by iomegajaz (edited August 09, 2000).]

Zeruel · 11th July 2000, 18:30

The one thing that paintshop pro has that photoshop does not, is the COMMAND HISTORY. You can undo actions which you did 5 hours ago. It's amazingly useful.

Photoshop, on the other hand, can only undo the very last action done.

Tariq · 11th July 2000, 19:30

Yeah but still one special point about paint shop pro is that the interface is much more user-friendly.

By the way does anyone know if it is possible to get plugins for paintshop pro like there is for Adobe!

CyaNide · 11th July 2000, 23:46

When I make skins, I usually use Adobe 5.5, but it is hard to use, sometomes-i use it to resize images for the posbar, but unless you are doing a 3d skin, i see nothing wrong with ms paint.

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PhotoFx · 12th July 2000, 01:17

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zeruel:
The one thing that paintshop pro has that photoshop does not, is the COMMAND HISTORY. You can undo actions which you did 5 hours ago. It's amazingly useful. Photoshop, on the other hand, can only undo the very last action done.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

actually, I think that the newer versions of photoshop can undo many, many things, not just one. but I think it also removes any changes after the spot you go to. Does PSP have a sort of "effects list," like avs, so you can take away selected features instead of a "history" pallete, like PS?

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--PhotoFx <{8^)

"Free your Mind..."

CK · 12th July 2000, 01:23

i proudly use PSP-5... it's the best in my opinion, and i've, how shall we say, "obtained" adobe photoshop and who-ever said it was right - it isn't very user-friendly...

also, PSP-5 is fun to use because you can experiment endlessly once you know what everything does... especially if you alter a few of its' hidden settings.. *grinz* not that i breach the copyright by editing the software - oh no.. hehe

(BTW... DarkTower... get your name from the Shadow Keep song? or... never mind.. hehe)

Xerxes · 12th July 2000, 06:32

Photoshop's interface has been years in the
making- anyone you has worked with PS 2 will
know my sentiments exactly....

And- yeah, DarkTower refers to what exactly?

I'm thinking of a milton bradley game
from the 1970s i believe.... one of the
first electronic board games... real fun as
I remember...

Xerxes

I do not take drugs;
I AM drugs.

-Salvador Dali

bluephone · 12th July 2000, 10:21

Damn. I own Photoshop 5.5 AND Paint Shop Pro 6 (yes I paid for them, that's why I charge clients as much money as I do), and PSP just can't cut it. Photoshop is just flat out better. Now, the GIF Animator that comes with PSP is fantastic for "I need it now" animations, but for still images, PS5.5 is king.

And 5.0 and 5.5 both have the History pallete. Depending on how much RAM you allocate, you can undo many many many steps. You can even undo after a save.

iomegajaz · 12th July 2000, 17:07

I don't think the extent to which you can "go back" using the History feature in PS5.0 and up is limited by the amount of RAM you have. I've only got 32mb RAM and I can always undo every step I take, right up to "Open".

The trick is to change the setting in Preferences, so that the History Dialog can contain more steps than the default setting of 20. (I use 100 just in case)

btw. I've never paid for PS or PSP, yet I can remember when PS4.0 came out, and everyone went "Layers? What the fuck are layers?"

Ahhh, the good old days.

ps. I think Photoshop's GUI is the best one out there. Saying it's not user friendly is like saying that FrontPage Express doesn't generate enough lines of utter crap into HTML files. (Any web developers will get that one)

pps. Not that I use FrontPage Express. I mean, ewww. Who would?

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live short and hack well
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Tariq · 12th July 2000, 22:00

Hey guys the new version of PSP is out (7 beta), well what they say is that its got new effects. The only thing I see lacking in PSP is the effects. With photoshop all you need to get is a plugin. and there are numerous, so you have better command of the effects that could be applied to you package (eg. eyecandy).
Thats not so with psp. The sittuation about the interface, is that if you ever start up with PSP you can never accept photoshop coz PSP alway seems easier

Xerxes · 13th July 2000, 10:05

As far as animated gifs go, if you bought PS 5.5, you should have got it's sister program, Adobe Image ready. It is EXCELLENT
for optimizing the colors for the smallest
file size available.

Furthermore, I find it very capable for
animated .GIF production as far as i'm
concerned.

Xerxes

What is mind? No matter.
What is matter? Never mind.

DarkTower · 14th July 2000, 02:53

Umm thanx for all the response.....Could u stop it? I get an email every time u guys answer and i already got psp so...please STOP (by the way CK the names from a stephen king series of books you sick sick minded person)

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-DarkTower

iomegajaz · 14th July 2000, 06:39

[Nevermind]

iomegajaz · 14th July 2000, 06:40

[Nevermind]

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[This message has been edited by iomegajaz (edited July 13, 2000).]

Majes_Kahn550 · 14th July 2000, 18:03

Can someone please email me and tell me how to make and place a skin for my winamp....
majeskahn@hotmail.com

thanks,
me

14th July 2000, 18:59

My neighbour Savvaki made me a copy of Photoshop, who he was made a copy from his cousin Giorgaki, who was made a copy from his friend Nikolaki, who he got it from his class mate Mihalaki, who he got it from his koumbaro Savvaki which it was sent to by his cyber-friend from Canada Dave...

Damn, Im hungry, need some souvlaki hehe...

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Tin mia mas pezoun Rock, tin alli Tsifteteli...

DarkTower · 14th July 2000, 19:04

Apperantly you guys dont care if my email is flooded with letters from winamp....FINE! I blocked winamps email address so THERE!!!!!
Fell free to answer as muchas you want now.

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-DarkTower

Bilbo Baggins · 15th July 2000, 11:55

PSP 7 is awesome. Even better than 6.02 Well worth the 30MB download.

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9th July 2000, 07:29	#1
DarkTower Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Simi Valley CA Posts: 84	I use microsoft paint shop and make all my skins.....i admit my highest score was 3 *'s but anyways what other programs are ther out there and like are they that much different? ------------------ -DarkTower

9th July 2000, 08:30	#2
Ice Moderator Alumni Americas Favorite Smut Peddler Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sun Prarie, WI Posts: 3,303	Adobe Photoshop is the best in my oppinion... cost: $600 webcollection: $999

9th July 2000, 16:47	#3
iomegajaz Balled and Chained Alumni Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 5,310	Ice, puh-lease tell me you didn't PAY for it.... ------------------ iomegajaz live short and hack well http://iomegajaz.cjb.net

9th July 2000, 18:23	#4
Ice Moderator Alumni Americas Favorite Smut Peddler Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sun Prarie, WI Posts: 3,303	i'd pay for it if i could afford it. when i get a real job, i'll buy it. it's a good product. all of the adobe products are quality.

9th July 2000, 19:16	#5
Xerxes Capitalist Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: my 4 Houses on Park Place Posts: 8,688	Yeah... Adobe is best- If you wanted to stay legal you could get photoshop "Special Edition" which kills some of the features and it's like 30 dollars or so... ANOTHER option you could try is whats called the "GIMP". Its completely freeware, because it's a linux application. There is a real good windows port available, and I after using it will say truthfully that it can NEARLY do everything the Adobe can. Xerxes MS Paint has been clinically proven to stifle creativity- the Surgeon General recomends that you stop using it- especcially if you are pregnant.

10th July 2000, 17:39	#6
Spoonman Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: The City Posts: 303	I find that Paint Shop Pro from Jasc to be a good compromise between Photoshop and a basic paint program. It can do layers, which is key, but doesn't have a lot of the bells and whistles of Photoshop. --Spoonman

10th July 2000, 19:37	#7
Bilbo Baggins Wind Chime of the Apocalypse Join Date: May 2000 Location: The Forest Posts: 17,228	Also, PSP is a lot faster than Photoshop, and comes with a fairly good animated gif maker. ------------------ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

10th July 2000, 20:19	#8
DarkTower Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Simi Valley CA Posts: 84	ummm.......thanx $900?....na one word >warez< didnt hear that from me ------------------ -DarkTower

10th July 2000, 20:37	#9
Tariq Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Sri Lanka Posts: 68	Well I kind of used Paint shop pro for my skins. I have not posted them anywhere yet. You get some good effects on that. I have enven heard if you get 3D studion Max you can do awsome graphics, and really pimp up your skin, but still the best handy graphics package would be adobe photoshop, and like iomegajaz says you can easily find a crack

11th July 2000, 06:44	#10
iomegajaz Balled and Chained Alumni Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 5,310	[nevermind] ------------------ iomegajaz http://iomegajaz.cjb.net [This message has been edited by iomegajaz (edited August 09, 2000).]

11th July 2000, 18:30	#11
Zeruel Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 517	The one thing that paintshop pro has that photoshop does not, is the COMMAND HISTORY. You can undo actions which you did 5 hours ago. It's amazingly useful. Photoshop, on the other hand, can only undo the very last action done.

11th July 2000, 19:30	#12
Tariq Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Sri Lanka Posts: 68	Yeah but still one special point about paint shop pro is that the interface is much more user-friendly. By the way does anyone know if it is possible to get plugins for paintshop pro like there is for Adobe!

11th July 2000, 23:46	#13
CyaNide Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Hebron,KY,USA Posts: 6	When I make skins, I usually use Adobe 5.5, but it is hard to use, sometomes-i use it to resize images for the posbar, but unless you are doing a 3d skin, i see nothing wrong with ms paint. ------------------ Please visit my site at http://thepokelounge.hypermart.net

12th July 2000, 01:17	#14
PhotoFx Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: South for the winter. Posts: 840	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zeruel: The one thing that paintshop pro has that photoshop does not, is the COMMAND HISTORY. You can undo actions which you did 5 hours ago. It's amazingly useful. Photoshop, on the other hand, can only undo the very last action done. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> actually, I think that the newer versions of photoshop can undo many, many things, not just one. but I think it also removes any changes after the spot you go to. Does PSP have a sort of "effects list," like avs, so you can take away selected features instead of a "history" pallete, like PS? ------------------ --PhotoFx <{8^) "Free your Mind..."

12th July 2000, 01:23	#15
CK Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 14	i proudly use PSP-5... it's the best in my opinion, and i've, how shall we say, "obtained" adobe photoshop and who-ever said it was right - it isn't very user-friendly... also, PSP-5 is fun to use because you can experiment endlessly once you know what everything does... especially if you alter a few of its' hidden settings.. grinz not that i breach the copyright by editing the software - oh no.. hehe (BTW... DarkTower... get your name from the Shadow Keep song? or... never mind.. hehe)

12th July 2000, 06:32	#16
Xerxes Capitalist Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: my 4 Houses on Park Place Posts: 8,688	Photoshop's interface has been years in the making- anyone you has worked with PS 2 will know my sentiments exactly.... And- yeah, DarkTower refers to what exactly? I'm thinking of a milton bradley game from the 1970s i believe.... one of the first electronic board games... real fun as I remember... Xerxes I do not take drugs; I AM drugs. -Salvador Dali

12th July 2000, 10:21	#17
bluephone Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Mozillaland, MOZ Posts: 33	Damn. I own Photoshop 5.5 AND Paint Shop Pro 6 (yes I paid for them, that's why I charge clients as much money as I do), and PSP just can't cut it. Photoshop is just flat out better. Now, the GIF Animator that comes with PSP is fantastic for "I need it now" animations, but for still images, PS5.5 is king. And 5.0 and 5.5 both have the History pallete. Depending on how much RAM you allocate, you can undo many many many steps. You can even undo after a save.

12th July 2000, 17:07	#18
iomegajaz Balled and Chained Alumni Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 5,310	I don't think the extent to which you can "go back" using the History feature in PS5.0 and up is limited by the amount of RAM you have. I've only got 32mb RAM and I can always undo every step I take, right up to "Open". The trick is to change the setting in Preferences, so that the History Dialog can contain more steps than the default setting of 20. (I use 100 just in case) btw. I've never paid for PS or PSP, yet I can remember when PS4.0 came out, and everyone went "Layers? What the fuck are layers?" Ahhh, the good old days. ps. I think Photoshop's GUI is the best one out there. Saying it's not user friendly is like saying that FrontPage Express doesn't generate enough lines of utter crap into HTML files. (Any web developers will get that one) pps. Not that I use FrontPage Express. I mean, ewww. Who would? ------------------ iomegajaz live short and hack well http://iomegajaz.cjb.net

12th July 2000, 22:00	#19
Tariq Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Sri Lanka Posts: 68	Hey guys the new version of PSP is out (7 beta), well what they say is that its got new effects. The only thing I see lacking in PSP is the effects. With photoshop all you need to get is a plugin. and there are numerous, so you have better command of the effects that could be applied to you package (eg. eyecandy). Thats not so with psp. The sittuation about the interface, is that if you ever start up with PSP you can never accept photoshop coz PSP alway seems easier

13th July 2000, 10:05	#20
Xerxes Capitalist Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: my 4 Houses on Park Place Posts: 8,688	As far as animated gifs go, if you bought PS 5.5, you should have got it's sister program, Adobe Image ready. It is EXCELLENT for optimizing the colors for the smallest file size available. Furthermore, I find it very capable for animated .GIF production as far as i'm concerned. Xerxes What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind.

14th July 2000, 02:53	#21
DarkTower Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Simi Valley CA Posts: 84	Umm thanx for all the response.....Could u stop it? I get an email every time u guys answer and i already got psp so...please STOP (by the way CK the names from a stephen king series of books you sick sick minded person) ------------------ -DarkTower

14th July 2000, 06:39	#22
iomegajaz Balled and Chained Alumni Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 5,310	[Nevermind]

14th July 2000, 06:40	#23
iomegajaz Balled and Chained Alumni Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 5,310	[Nevermind] Sorry, I couldn't resist. [This message has been edited by iomegajaz (edited July 13, 2000).]

14th July 2000, 18:03	#24
Majes_Kahn550 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Salt Lake City, UT. Posts: 1	Can someone please email me and tell me how to make and place a skin for my winamp.... majeskahn@hotmail.com thanks, me

14th July 2000, 18:59	#25
GREEK_MP3 Guest Posts: n/a	My neighbour Savvaki made me a copy of Photoshop, who he was made a copy from his cousin Giorgaki, who was made a copy from his friend Nikolaki, who he got it from his class mate Mihalaki, who he got it from his koumbaro Savvaki which it was sent to by his cyber-friend from Canada Dave... Damn, Im hungry, need some souvlaki hehe... ------------------ *Tin mia mas pezoun Rock, tin alli Tsifteteli...*

14th July 2000, 19:04	#26
DarkTower Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Simi Valley CA Posts: 84	Apperantly you guys dont care if my email is flooded with letters from winamp....FINE! I blocked winamps email address so THERE!!!!! Fell free to answer as muchas you want now. ------------------ -DarkTower

15th July 2000, 11:55	#27
Bilbo Baggins Wind Chime of the Apocalypse Join Date: May 2000 Location: The Forest Posts: 17,228	PSP 7 is awesome. Even better than 6.02 Well worth the 30MB download. ------------------ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them