Christian Visualizations?

Fishzn · 24th December 2003, 21:50

Hi guys/gals

im new to this forum *waves at everyone here* and didn't want to cause any type of religious uprising but just wanted to know where i can get good christian visualizations for winamp 5.0

P.S wouldn't mind knowing where to get anything dealing with christianity for winamp 5.0! eg. lyrics, plug-ins

Thanks guys

Deamon · 24th December 2003, 22:02

I made a preset of a 3D cross once. Download my AVS pack "HyperNation" (see my signature). It's in there. I don't know any other religious presets though.

mikm · 24th December 2003, 22:19

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....9#post1010079, these might be of interest to you

Fishzn · 24th December 2003, 22:28

Why thank you ppl, a very quick reply by many forums standards!

D/l'ing hypernation right now daemon!!!

Oh m2k, what exactly is the interesting part in that thread, forgive me its two in the morning in South africa!

mikm · 24th December 2003, 23:05

the zip file Avs Knockout Round 2.zip

UnConeD · 25th December 2003, 01:10

Um what would make a visualisation particularly Christian? The request is kind of pointless unless you specifically want stuff with crosses.

sidd · 25th December 2003, 12:44

haha, thats exactly what i was thinking, except i didnt want to sound rude by saying it.

Visualisations are visualisations, christianitiy is christianitiy. The two are completely different things. I dont think people make avs with any particular message, its just pretty pictures that go with tha music.

forgive me, its christmas and im drunkedy-drunked.

PAK-9 · 25th December 2003, 17:17

rofl. hehe..hehe... no I'm ok... bwahahah rofl

dirkdeftly · 25th December 2003, 17:24

if ucd says it, it can't be rude

sidd · 26th December 2003, 01:41

words to live by.

Deamon · 26th December 2003, 14:16

I don't agree with you guys. I think presest can be religious. You can be very creative with all kind of religious symbols. In a texered or pictured preset, or by scoping (or DM-ing) them yourself. Though indeed it would require the use of those symbols.

Rovastar · 26th December 2003, 17:57

The most Christian plugin I know is Andy O'mears G-Force. As being a strong Christian he named the whole visualization after God the G stands simply for God.

www.55ware.com

Fishzn · 26th December 2003, 18:25

Quote:

Originally posted by UnConeD
Um what would make a visualisation particularly Christian? The request is kind of pointless unless you specifically want stuff with crosses.

Well if technicality is your strong point and you wish to pick at such exact's, then i would say a Christian AVS, would be something relating in anyway to the religion or the faculty's associated with it! I mean how would you want to define it?

BTW, thanks for the helpful replies and its great to see the humongous amount of talent present here, some guys are absolute geniuses with code and make the most awesome visualization's!

Any definition of christian AVS's are welcome and i will gladly d/l it if you feel it fits ur definition and then i will decide for myself!

Once again THANKS

cmountford · 30th December 2003, 03:31

well, Lord of the Rings has many religious themes to it, though I wouldn't compare it directly in every aspect to Christianity. I made a preset Sauron's Fiery Eye, search AVS forums.

Well it isn't strictly winamp, but I thought it might be of interest to you...I did a re-do of 50 Cent's In da Club

You can check it out at http://e.1asphost.com/sharkdarapper/Index.htm

Note this recording isn't perfect, has some blips etc. & cuts off too early, though the perfect version I have on my studio. http://e.1asphost.com/sharkdarapper/..._attempt_2.ogg

I'm in the process of (slowly) re-doing my site based on suggestions from the forums (like replacing the spaces in the file names with underscores, etc.) It works fine with IE 6.____ (whatever)

[edit]: oh, yeah...forgot to say, I know WA 5 is out...just haven't gotten around to updating my site

UnConeD · 30th December 2003, 07:19

Your URLs with spaces work fine here. Make sure to encode them as %20 (according to specs).

By the way, never, ever use office for HTML output. The source for that page is hideous, and doesn't look better than bare HTML without CSS.

Deamon · 30th December 2003, 07:38

And with CSS, you could make it really nice

, and CSS is about the simplest thing to 'design' web sites.

cmountford · 30th December 2003, 15:26

thanks...I'll try and see if I can get dreamweaver. Is it any good for web design? Somebody told me it was

Tuggummi · 31st December 2003, 16:29

Christian AVS... hmm... makes one wonder, what does make one a christian visualization? If we are now sticking to avs (after all this is the AVS forums

) what about the comments that people include within a preset? Can something that a author said in the comment make a preset non-accetable for christians? I don't know about others, but i talk, i talk so much i can't even remember half of it

But also when i write comments im not thinking wheter or not this or that kind of people would find it offending... So could a bad comment spoil a good preset is what im basicly asking

Also, the whole thought of a christian avs is kinda... well, how does one say it, very much subtle concept. Is it the title of the preset that makes it? What the presets shows for you in the screen? Or does ones words count for anything?

All i can say, that avs that is directed to any certain group of people by religion / politics / country is a very very rare sight around here, the community. One might be touchy by discussing about them, but most of us are pretty neutral i guess. We just do avs that we like, very very rarely it has any kind of a point or message behind it

fragmer · 31st December 2003, 19:36

@cmountford: check this out: http://forum.deviantart.com/communit...amming/138980/
I personaly like HTML_TidyUI and Notepad

(sorry, this is not about christian visualizations)

canazza · 31st December 2003, 21:33

I made some pretty basic 'jesus' ones inspired by this topic...

Same picture of jesus manipulated in different ways within Winamp.

Including Jelly Jesus, which i'm particularly proud of, check out http://canazza.deviantart.com for the file

cmountford · 1st January 2004, 08:52

Quote:

Originally posted by fragmer
@cmountford: check this out: http://forum.deviantart.com/communit...amming/138980/
I personaly like HTML_TidyUI and Notepad

(sorry, this is not about christian visualizations)

I now have dreamweaver...which I've heard is quite nice

haven't gotten a chance to look at the link yet...too late

oh I almost forgot: Happy New Year, everyone!

cmountford · 1st January 2004, 08:58

I just got an idea for what ppl might be able to do (or possibly done(??))---something about Christmas lights...or convert Mr. Happy into Santa-lol.

Deamon · 1st January 2004, 10:33

Happy new year to you guys from me as well

Warrior of the Light · 5th January 2004, 07:31

@cmontford: What has Santa to do with Christianity?

@all: Happy new year 2 u 2

And for defining christian presets, a lot of presets are just.. visualizations (funny, heh?), others are created to look like something and can be christianity-themed. Can Vis-presets be christian? I wonder...

legohead · 6th January 2004, 00:09

Christian VIS:

Insert Text ape: "Hail mary full of grace..."

What tha? Are you guys having some sort of freaky religo prayer meeting or something? Plugin to some prayer and trippy visuals -ROCK!

Ooh... thats creepy.

Braininator · 12th January 2004, 07:22

Hey all, I'm making a set of Christian visualizations at the moment, won't be anything spectacular but they'll be cool.

Warrior of the Light · 12th January 2004, 08:26

I'll be joining you shortly, perhaps even under another nickname...

times2 · 12th January 2004, 17:03

did anyone ever see the (amiga) demo called 'Jesus on Es'?

that was the first credible use of a computer for live entertainment (apart from games) that i ever saw.

seriously guys music visualisation and religion? seems about as relevant as dancing about architecture.

t

Warrior of the Light · 13th January 2004, 05:46

Then you must be amazed about the amount of requests I've had... Really, don't underestimate it.

But no, I didn't see it.

Tuggummi · 13th January 2004, 06:34

hahah, times2 has watched "The 6 lessons of love" (or something like that)

Yes i think it's irrelevant too, but im just curious could a good preset be ignored just by it's title or comment? Maybe im wrong (or generalizing), but to me it seems that a preset named "Multiple Orgasms" doesn't get much of audience from christians...

Deamon · 13th January 2004, 20:39

lol @ tugg

Deamon · 14th January 2004, 13:03

on the other hand, maybe some pervert priests would watch

Tuggummi · 15th January 2004, 05:34

Blasphemy! Slap him in the mouth!

Insolent_Chimp · 18th January 2004, 00:15

Quote:

Originally posted by ;-c ,rattaplan
@cmontford: What has Santa to do with Christianity?

@all: Happy new year 2 u 2

Santa Claus would not exist without christianity. The name is a permutation of 'Saint' and Nicholas.

Anyway, I don't think anything without the ability to invent a god can be christian. AVS presets probably don't have souls/minds, whether or not souls/minds exist.

Tuggummi · 18th January 2004, 01:27

Quote:

AVS presets probably don't have souls/minds

I really can't even guess where in the worlds name you come up with that thought! Computers or computer generated/produced 'stuff' has a soul? (you talked only about avs presets, maybe you think Windows OS's have a soul... which is a rather frightening thought...)

Anyway, when things get into talking about does AI have a soul, it's better to stop

OnionRingOfDoom · 18th January 2004, 01:36

Yeah, that is just a bit creapy.

Insolent_Chimp · 18th January 2004, 02:28

To: Tuggummi and OnionRingofDoom

When I say soul/mind what I mean is: has a dualism, as in mind & body, rather than simply body.

In Douglas Coupland's novel 'Microserfs' one of the characters builds a 'soul' database for his notebook.

The idea isn't that farfetched. If we are simply material beings--in other words, having mind and body exist as one entity, rather than a dualism--then AI would have all of the same faculties as humans possibly even better ones. Have you ever seen 'Bladerunner' or even that crappy movie 'AI'?

For the purposes of this, read mind as subjectivity and body as objectivity. I don't mean brain when I say mind, unless I am talking about materialism.

If we exist with seperate mind/soul and body then there is no locus for subjectivity, so how will AI have a subjective viewpoint without it being put there by a human? And exactly where is it 'put'? There is no location for the 'mind'. So does it spontaneously form in an conceptual reality at the conception of subjectivity?

AI uses heuristics, which in turn come from thought and sensory data, and thought comes from the mind/brain. Either way it's subjective. And if you're the kind who believe in souls you shouldn't exclude the possibility of AI having a soul, after all quantum physics seems to suggest that it's more than probable, seeing how our world is really an interaction and interpretation of ourselves.

Other literature and movies that ponder the question of AI and souls:

Pinnochio
2001: A space oddessey
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Supernova

That's just off the top of my head. C'mon, like this really came out of far left field. It's been a pretty common thought for quite a while.

Deamon · 18th January 2004, 15:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Insolent_Chimp
[B]Santa Claus would not exist without christianity. The name is a permutation of 'Saint' and Nicholas.

I bet your Dutch. Santa Claus is the dude for christmas, Saint Nicholas (Sinterklaas) is the dude on the 5th of december.

Yathosho · 18th January 2004, 16:15

the day this thread dies, i'm going to church and pray thank you

UnConeD · 18th January 2004, 18:30

Um Deamon, Santa Claus IS Saint Nicolas IS Sinterklaas. They are just warped versions of the same story.

24th December 2003, 21:50	#1
Fishzn Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: South Africa Posts: 6	Christian Visualizations? Hi guys/gals im new to this forum waves at everyone here and didn't want to cause any type of religious uprising but just wanted to know where i can get good christian visualizations for winamp 5.0 P.S wouldn't mind knowing where to get anything dealing with christianity for winamp 5.0! eg. lyrics, plug-ins Thanks guys

24th December 2003, 22:02	#2
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	I made a preset of a 3D cross once. Download my AVS pack "HyperNation" (see my signature). It's in there. I don't know any other religious presets though. .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

24th December 2003, 22:19	#3
mikm Major Dude Join Date: May 2001 Location: somewhere else Posts: 1,286	http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....9#post1010079, these might be of interest to you powered by C₈H₁₀N₄O₂

24th December 2003, 23:05	#5
mikm Major Dude Join Date: May 2001 Location: somewhere else Posts: 1,286	the zip file Avs Knockout Round 2.zip powered by C₈H₁₀N₄O₂

25th December 2003, 17:17	#8
PAK-9 Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 1,374	rofl. hehe..hehe... no I'm ok... bwahahah rofl http://PAK-9.deviantart.com ...innit

24th December 2003, 22:28	#4
Fishzn Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: South Africa Posts: 6	Why thank you ppl, a very quick reply by many forums standards! D/l'ing hypernation right now daemon!!! Oh m2k, what exactly is the interesting part in that thread, forgive me its two in the morning in South africa!

25th December 2003, 01:10	#6
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	Um what would make a visualisation particularly Christian? The request is kind of pointless unless you specifically want stuff with crosses.

25th December 2003, 12:44	#7
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	haha, thats exactly what i was thinking, except i didnt want to sound rude by saying it. Visualisations are visualisations, christianitiy is christianitiy. The two are completely different things. I dont think people make avs with any particular message, its just pretty pictures that go with tha music. forgive me, its christmas and im drunkedy-drunked.

25th December 2003, 17:24	#9
dirkdeftly Forum King Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cydonia, Mars Posts: 2,651	if ucd says it, it can't be rude "guilt is the cause of more disauders than history's most obscene marorders" --E. E. Cummings

26th December 2003, 01:41	#10
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	words to live by.

26th December 2003, 14:16	#11
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	I don't agree with you guys. I think presest can be religious. You can be very creative with all kind of religious symbols. In a texered or pictured preset, or by scoping (or DM-ing) them yourself. Though indeed it would require the use of those symbols. .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

26th December 2003, 17:57	#12
Rovastar Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, England Posts: 3,632	The most Christian plugin I know is Andy O'mears G-Force. As being a strong Christian he named the whole visualization after God the G stands simply for God. www.55ware.com "Rules are for the guidance of wisemen and the obedience of fools" Visuals - Morphyre www.Morphyre.com

30th December 2003, 03:31	#14
cmountford The Rapper (Major Dude) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 992	well, Lord of the Rings has many religious themes to it, though I wouldn't compare it directly in every aspect to Christianity. I made a preset Sauron's Fiery Eye, search AVS forums. Well it isn't strictly winamp, but I thought it might be of interest to you...I did a re-do of 50 Cent's In da Club You can check it out at http://e.1asphost.com/sharkdarapper/Index.htm Note this recording isn't perfect, has some blips etc. & cuts off too early, though the perfect version I have on my studio. http://e.1asphost.com/sharkdarapper/..._attempt_2.ogg I'm in the process of (slowly) re-doing my site based on suggestions from the forums (like replacing the spaces in the file names with underscores, etc.) It works fine with IE 6.____ (whatever) [edit]: oh, yeah...forgot to say, I know WA 5 is out...just haven't gotten around to updating my site I'm a DJ. You can DL my mixes free from my website: www.djcmount.com You have the right to refrain from posting unless you write in the "rap battles" thread. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court by mods.

30th December 2003, 07:19	#15
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	Your URLs with spaces work fine here. Make sure to encode them as %20 (according to specs). By the way, never, ever use office for HTML output. The source for that page is hideous, and doesn't look better than bare HTML without CSS.

30th December 2003, 07:38	#16
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	And with CSS, you could make it really nice , and CSS is about the simplest thing to 'design' web sites. .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

30th December 2003, 15:26	#17
cmountford The Rapper (Major Dude) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 992	thanks...I'll try and see if I can get dreamweaver. Is it any good for web design? Somebody told me it was I'm a DJ. You can DL my mixes free from my website: www.djcmount.com You have the right to refrain from posting unless you write in the "rap battles" thread. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court by mods.

31st December 2003, 16:29	#18
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Christian AVS... hmm... makes one wonder, what does make one a christian visualization? If we are now sticking to avs (after all this is the AVS forums ) what about the comments that people include within a preset? Can something that a author said in the comment make a preset non-accetable for christians? I don't know about others, but i talk, i talk so much i can't even remember half of it But also when i write comments im not thinking wheter or not this or that kind of people would find it offending... So could a bad comment spoil a good preset is what im basicly asking Also, the whole thought of a christian avs is kinda... well, how does one say it, very much subtle concept. Is it the title of the preset that makes it? What the presets shows for you in the screen? Or does ones words count for anything? All i can say, that avs that is directed to any certain group of people by religion / politics / country is a very very rare sight around here, the community. One might be touchy by discussing about them, but most of us are pretty neutral i guess. We just do avs that we like, very very rarely it has any kind of a point or message behind it Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

31st December 2003, 19:36	#19
fragmer Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 101	@cmountford: check this out: http://forum.deviantart.com/communit...amming/138980/ I personaly like HTML_TidyUI and Notepad (sorry, this is not about christian visualizations)

31st December 2003, 21:33	#20
canazza Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5	I made some pretty basic 'jesus' ones inspired by this topic... Same picture of jesus manipulated in different ways within Winamp. Including Jelly Jesus, which i'm particularly proud of, check out http://canazza.deviantart.com for the file

1st January 2004, 08:58	#22
cmountford The Rapper (Major Dude) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 992	I just got an idea for what ppl might be able to do (or possibly done(??))---something about Christmas lights...or convert Mr. Happy into Santa-lol. I'm a DJ. You can DL my mixes free from my website: www.djcmount.com You have the right to refrain from posting unless you write in the "rap battles" thread. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court by mods.

1st January 2004, 10:33	#23
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	Happy new year to you guys from me as well .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

5th January 2004, 07:31	#24
Warrior of the Light Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,121	@cmontford: What has Santa to do with Christianity? @all: Happy new year 2 u 2 And for defining christian presets, a lot of presets are just.. visualizations (funny, heh?), others are created to look like something and can be christianity-themed. Can Vis-presets be christian? I wonder... Jesus loves you [yes, you] so much, he even died for you so that you will not need to die, but live forever

6th January 2004, 00:09	#25
legohead Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 181	Christian VIS: Insert Text ape: "Hail mary full of grace..." What tha? Are you guys having some sort of freaky religo prayer meeting or something? Plugin to some prayer and trippy visuals -ROCK! Ooh... thats creepy.

12th January 2004, 07:22	#26
Braininator Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 12	Hey all, I'm making a set of Christian visualizations at the moment, won't be anything spectacular but they'll be cool.

12th January 2004, 08:26	#27
Warrior of the Light Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,121	I'll be joining you shortly, perhaps even under another nickname... Jesus loves you [yes, you] so much, he even died for you so that you will not need to die, but live forever

12th January 2004, 17:03	#28
times2 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 43	christian visualisations did anyone ever see the (amiga) demo called 'Jesus on Es'? that was the first credible use of a computer for live entertainment (apart from games) that i ever saw. seriously guys music visualisation and religion? seems about as relevant as dancing about architecture. t

13th January 2004, 05:46	#29
Warrior of the Light Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,121	Then you must be amazed about the amount of requests I've had... Really, don't underestimate it. But no, I didn't see it. Jesus loves you [yes, you] so much, he even died for you so that you will not need to die, but live forever

13th January 2004, 06:34	#30
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	hahah, times2 has watched "The 6 lessons of love" (or something like that) Yes i think it's irrelevant too, but im just curious could a good preset be ignored just by it's title or comment? Maybe im wrong (or generalizing), but to me it seems that a preset named "Multiple Orgasms" doesn't get much of audience from christians... Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

13th January 2004, 20:39	#31
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	lol @ tugg .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

14th January 2004, 13:03	#32
Deamon Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands Posts: 927	on the other hand, maybe some pervert priests would watch .:HyperNation @ winamp:. .:DeviantArt:. Thermal is now available for download at DeviantArt.

15th January 2004, 05:34	#33
Tuggummi Bin King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 2,179	Blasphemy! Slap him in the mouth! Texer Resources Im retarded... err i mean retired! Probably both...

18th January 2004, 01:36	#36
OnionRingOfDoom Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brookly, NYC Posts: 72	Yeah, that is just a bit creapy. http://jeremyabel.com

18th January 2004, 02:28	#37
Insolent_Chimp Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 26	To: Tuggummi and OnionRingofDoom When I say soul/mind what I mean is: has a dualism, as in mind & body, rather than simply body. In Douglas Coupland's novel 'Microserfs' one of the characters builds a 'soul' database for his notebook. The idea isn't that farfetched. If we are simply material beings--in other words, having mind and body exist as one entity, rather than a dualism--then AI would have all of the same faculties as humans possibly even better ones. Have you ever seen 'Bladerunner' or even that crappy movie 'AI'? For the purposes of this, read mind as subjectivity and body as objectivity. I don't mean brain when I say mind, unless I am talking about materialism. If we exist with seperate mind/soul and body then there is no locus for subjectivity, so how will AI have a subjective viewpoint without it being put there by a human? And exactly where is it 'put'? There is no location for the 'mind'. So does it spontaneously form in an conceptual reality at the conception of subjectivity? AI uses heuristics, which in turn come from thought and sensory data, and thought comes from the mind/brain. Either way it's subjective. And if you're the kind who believe in souls you shouldn't exclude the possibility of AI having a soul, after all quantum physics seems to suggest that it's more than probable, seeing how our world is really an interaction and interpretation of ourselves. Other literature and movies that ponder the question of AI and souls: Pinnochio 2001: A space oddessey Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Supernova That's just off the top of my head. C'mon, like this really came out of far left field. It's been a pretty common thought for quite a while.

18th January 2004, 16:15	#39
Yathosho Forum King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: AT-DE Posts: 3,366	the day this thread dies, i'm going to church and pray thank you NSIS IDE for Atom \| NSIS for Visual Studio Code \| NSIS for Sublime Text \| NSIS.docset

18th January 2004, 18:30	#40
UnConeD Whacked Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,104	Um Deamon, Santa Claus IS Saint Nicolas IS Sinterklaas. They are just warped versions of the same story.