4th June 2004, 03:06
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Failing NTFS Drive: Help!
My Story: I (and my computer) just came home from a happy semester of downloading from my local hall of learning, and all was well with my computer for two weeks. However, we left on a vacation before I could back up several gigs of data to my removable hard drive. I returned to my house to find a Windows XP (complete with NTFS-formatted 40GB drive) that refused to load; this problem developed into a boot-diagnosis screen S.M.A.R.T. message screaming of imminent hard-disk failure.
This is a nightmare for me because I cannot rescue any of the data with the DOS proggies on the winxp disk; I've tried copying files (but thankfully didn't risk writing anything) only to receive messages that access is denied or the file could not be found, etc. Scanning the drive for faults (read-only) produces messages that the volume contains one or more unrecoverable errors. I plan to buy a new hard drive and install windows into it post-haste, then add the old drive into the system and see what the systen recognizes about it; is there anything I should know at this point? Or anything else dos-based I might try? This data's well-nigh impossible to get, and it's just my luck the drive starts failing before I can back it up... Current System Specs: WinXP, Home Edition 310Megs RAM 40-Gig hard drive (dying/dead?) 40-gig external hard drive (no windows installed) Intel P4 Processor, 1500MHz, 400MHz Pioneer DVD Drive HP CD-RW Drive |
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4th June 2004, 03:21
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not fucked, not quite.
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The "DOS" things on the XP disk aren't DOS at all.. But that's beside the point
 . Try yelling at it
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4th June 2004, 04:38
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Yeah, I know it's not really DOS, because winnt/xp isn't based on DOS anymore; I learned that fairly early on when I was let down by Norton Systemworks's lack of non-DOS-based (NTFS supporting) recovery utilities.
Oh, and screaming was one of the first things I did. |
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4th June 2004, 05:16
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*cough* http://www.knoppix.org/ *cough*
Software is like sex: It's better when it's free.-*-If at first you don't succeed; call it version 1.0-*-Guess the band from pics game |
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4th June 2004, 05:59
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Knoppix does jack shit when it comes to actually repairing a corrupted NTFS partition.
It might be useful for cloning the NTFS partition to some other drives, though. Then you can attempt a repair on the backup, with the option of going back to the original drive in case the repair goes horribly wrong. On the other hand, have you tried using NTFSDOS from a DOS boot disk to find out how much you can salvage? |
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4th June 2004, 06:31
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hmmm ...
Has your box a NIC (Lan Card) ? If so you could easily recover your data by using Remote Recover from Winternals I used to use that with great success. It is not free though 
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4th June 2004, 07:21
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Nothing to say...
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NTFSDOS let me in and let me run a few nifty DOS progs on the drive, which in turn let me suck all my data across the serial port of the laptop onto a second machine. |
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4th June 2004, 07:39
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Knoppix saved my ass before when XP wouldn't believe any of my passwords anymore. I was able to burn all of my personal data to CD.
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4th June 2004, 07:40
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not fucked, not quite.
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Wow Jones.. I bet it took a while, didn't it?
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4th June 2004, 07:46
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Yeah, best part of a weekend, slow going, but what else could you do?, the machine wouldn't boot into windows, so couldn't access the CD, and because the CD was PCMCIA based in this case, it wouldn't read it during the boot sequence, so all it would initialise was the floppy drive which was built in.
I ended up using an ancient copy of DOS laplink and a windows 98 machine to grab all the data, I was just lucky that I'd never binned my male/male serial lead otherwise I'd have been fucked. The only downside I could see with using NTFSDOS was that it only created a 70mb partition on the primary drive for you to work in, so I had to boot up the dead machine with NTFSDOS, create the partition, grab 70mb worth of data from the NTFS partition, boot up laplink from floppy, suck over the data to the waiting good machine, and repeat that until I was done. Still, it taught me one lesson in life, back up your MP3's  , I really didn't fancy spending another year downloading all the stuff that I had, specially since I was still on 56k at that time..
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4th June 2004, 15:05
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its faster to use knoppix to burn cds thats what i have done before...burn cds...then try to fix it or whatever. yeah NTFS does suck sometimes
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4th June 2004, 16:07
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Well, the first thing you need to do is clone the drive (to another drive). I know of a good not-so-(legally)-free DOS-based piece of software to do that. After that, the same not-so-(legally)-free piece of software can be used to reconstruct the NTFS. I've used it before a couple of times, and both times it worked great.
Freedom of speech is the basic freedom of humanity. When you've lost that, you've lost everything. 1\/\/4y 34|<$p4y 1gp4y 33714y, 0d4y 0uy4y? | Roses are #FF0000; Violets are #0000FF; chown -R ${YOU} ~/base The DMCA. It really is that bad. : Count for your life. |
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4th June 2004, 20:46
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I crashed a portable 125 Gig drive. All it would do is report "Invalid parameter 0". Pulled the drive out and put it in my PC - same result.
Did a search on the internet and found this free download: http://www.pcinspector.de/clone-maxx/uk/welcome.htm It recovered EVERYTHING! 110 Gig worth - took 4 evenings but the file recovery was perfect! Highly recommend it!  BTW. the drive is useless. FDisk can't even re-partition it. I don't know how they did it - but it was magic to me! Hope this helps. \edit: BTW: I used the Smart Recovery program. |
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4th June 2004, 21:20
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not fucked, not quite.
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6th June 2004, 01:47
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okay then, I'm hooking up my new 80-gig hard drive, installing windows, then working my way down this list here. Luckily I have the space to make a full clone of the data and still have space left over, so I'll be doing that too. I take it I should attempt a clone first, since it would in effect insure the data's life past mechanical failure of the drive?
Edit: What exactly is a good cloner? I realized just after replying that nobody mentioned a name of a proggy. Thanks for the help, everyone! I'll be fooling with the system later tonight; you'll next hear from me once I have it up and running on the new drive. (I'm on my girlfriend's PC now.) Wish me luck! Current Plan Of Action: 1= Get system running again 2= Install failing drive 3= Attempt to obtain cloning program, use 4= Attempt repair on cloned partition 5= Failing 3 or 4, try NTFSDOS 6= Failing 5, try Knoppix (and learn German?) 7= Try any other program I can find. 8= Failing 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7, clean hunting rifle and purchase ammunition. Disassmble hard drive and remove plates. Grease clay pigeon slingshot, insert plates, pull and fire at will. Last edited by Phyltre; 6th June 2004 at 02:06. |
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6th June 2004, 01:52
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Yes, clone it first
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6th June 2004, 14:46
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Phyltre, you know, PMs and emails can circumvent forum rules (*hint*).
Also, Knoppix is available in English. Furthermore, the name of the program I would use in such a case is called "Media Tools". Awsome little thing, saved my ass a few times. Lastly, you should definately clone the drive before doing anything else with it. In fact, until you're ready to clone it, make sure you don't have it plugged into the power. Freedom of speech is the basic freedom of humanity. When you've lost that, you've lost everything. 1\/\/4y 34|<$p4y 1gp4y 33714y, 0d4y 0uy4y? | Roses are #FF0000; Violets are #0000FF; chown -R ${YOU} ~/base The DMCA. It really is that bad. : Count for your life. |
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6th June 2004, 17:50
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10th June 2004, 03:22
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ntfsdos and pcinspector have failed me. I am now trying Media Tools, but have run into the foreseeable roadblock there. Ah well.
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10th June 2004, 15:24
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I had a similar problem, My intel MB's primary Ide connection failed. Luckily I'm getting a free new one.
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14th June 2004, 04:06
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Freedom of speech is the basic freedom of humanity. When you've lost that, you've lost everything. 1\/\/4y 34|<$p4y 1gp4y 33714y, 0d4y 0uy4y? | Roses are #FF0000; Violets are #0000FF; chown -R ${YOU} ~/base The DMCA. It really is that bad. : Count for your life. |
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14th June 2004, 04:45
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if you have access to another drive of larger geometry, you can dd this drive onto the other one.
s0be And On that day, the Lords of the land said unto their Master Architect, "The temple you have made to the gods of Wasabi and Maki has brought us no great prosperity" and they sent out him into the lands. As he traveled to a far off land, he found he wasn't traveling alone, but that he had gained companions, and when they found their new land, they started work on a new temple, one that would be OPEN to all who wanted to worship. from The Book of Wasabi C 12 Vs 09 (pg 2003)
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15th June 2004, 04:24
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I've tried everything, and the sorry waste of ceramics is quite dead, apparently. Every program errors out after just mere seconds of cloning/scanning/restore operations.
Looks like it's a total wash. |
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15th June 2004, 04:47
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dd you can recover anything that the disk can read... and it'll ignore errors if it reads them. s0be And On that day, the Lords of the land said unto their Master Architect, "The temple you have made to the gods of Wasabi and Maki has brought us no great prosperity" and they sent out him into the lands. As he traveled to a far off land, he found he wasn't traveling alone, but that he had gained companions, and when they found their new land, they started work on a new temple, one that would be OPEN to all who wanted to worship. from The Book of Wasabi C 12 Vs 09 (pg 2003)
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15th June 2004, 20:54
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Freedom of speech is the basic freedom of humanity. When you've lost that, you've lost everything. 1\/\/4y 34|<$p4y 1gp4y 33714y, 0d4y 0uy4y? | Roses are #FF0000; Violets are #0000FF; chown -R ${YOU} ~/base The DMCA. It really is that bad. : Count for your life. |
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17th June 2004, 23:15
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Unfortunately, no, Media Tools isn't working. I've tried to clone the drive several times now; the program copies a few bytes of information, has an error, retries the operation roughly 35 times, then tells me it has failed. I receive similar results trying to view the drive or even obtain information about it. It looks like the thing jsut cannot be read.
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18th June 2004, 00:49
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have you tried knoppix?
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22nd June 2004, 20:19
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Freedom of speech is the basic freedom of humanity. When you've lost that, you've lost everything. 1\/\/4y 34|<$p4y 1gp4y 33714y, 0d4y 0uy4y? | Roses are #FF0000; Violets are #0000FF; chown -R ${YOU} ~/base The DMCA. It really is that bad. : Count for your life. |
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