Wells Fargo Atms now Windows based and web-enabled!! FUDGE!

bgesley · 6th March 2005, 00:26

http://www.computerworld.com/softwar...tml?source=x10

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"Wells Fargo has completed a five-year project to Web-enable its 6,200 ATMs in 23 states. Now the ATMS will be Windows based rather than OS/2 based. Avivah Litan, an analyst at Gartner Inc., in Stamford, Conn., said the move to Windows-based systems is "not great news for the security of the system. I'm sure there's a lot of holes that will be created because of this."

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Oh dear god no. Granted it was shown that a windows system properly installed with the correct software and configured properly will be more secure than a linux system I think this is a very retarded move, especially because I use Wells Fargo myself (I'm just across the bay from SF)

k_rock923 · 6th March 2005, 03:10

i believe that study you are referring to failed to install the correct software on the linux system. A properly configured linux system will be more secure.

Mattress · 6th March 2005, 04:43

I would think windows would be more secure than OS/2? Or is it impossible to put OS/2 online since it's so fucking old?

zootm · 6th March 2005, 19:11

Quote:

Originally posted by bgesley
...I think this is a very retarded move...

Any justification? Any at all?

Anyone?

mikm · 6th March 2005, 19:20

Quote:

Originally posted by zootm
Any justification? Any at all?

Anyone?

Any operating system is more secure than Windows, of course, even if it is 10 years old. Geez. Don't you know anything?

Bilbo Baggins · 6th March 2005, 22:46

Read the article before slagging windows off

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Another benefit for Wells Fargo is that its newly installed ATM machines all use the Triple Data Encryption Standard, an upgrade being required by credit card companies and related funds-transfer networks, such as MasterCard International Inc. and Visa U.S.A. Inc. The network providers established deadlines starting last year for converting electronic funds networks to the Triple DES. The current standard, DES, has become vulnerable to hacking attacks as a result of increases in computing power.

griffinn · 7th March 2005, 02:03

It looks more like bad marketing than anything else.

No bank would be insane enough to really web-enable their internal systems. Their PR staff merely chose the wrong words ("web-enable", "WebATM") and that invited a round of Windows-bashing. All they are doing is perhaps (1) use a browser to display the front-end; (2) use XML and SOAP to communicate with the back-end, which just happens to be often used as web-related technologies.

With a properly secured internal environment and a restricted user interface (which the ATM is), it's relatively unimportant what the operating system of the front-end is. Given that, it's natural that corporate executives chose to adopt an OS that more people on the market will program for, i.e. Windows.

Want Linux / OpenBSD / <insert your favourite OS here> to be adopted in the corporate world? Train more programmers who are competent in those environments.

Jay · 7th March 2005, 03:28

yea it is kind of sad how quickly people just jump on the anti-microsoft boat. Any system can be secured, but security is a user issue not a vendor one in my opinion

zootm · 7th March 2005, 05:45

Quote:

Originally posted by mikm
Any operating system is more secure than Windows, of course, even if it is 10 years old. Geez. Don't you know anything?

Here was me thinking this intuition telling me the complete contrary was worth a damn

As for more serious stuff - the "web" stuff is, as griffinn points out, entirely wired to a private network (it's not like they're going to be internet-exposed). TCP/IP works. Why not use it? XML/SOAP/HTTP/HTML etc... we know these things work. They're tried and tested. They could develop proprietary network infrastructures and protocols, since we all know that Security by Obscurity is brilliant. It's not like they're gonna be using code that isn't developed for the ATMs, so the possibility of attacks by malicious code is basically non-existent.

whiteflip · 10th March 2005, 06:29

Eh whatever, as long as my money gets in on Tuesday. I use BoA anywho.

SemiTechGeek · 15th March 2005, 04:26

and for that i am sorry- nothing personal, i just wish that either than bank goes under or at least have a clue as to handle technology. Damn yuppie hicks with their polo shirts and choosing software by how pretty the box looks.

dlichterman · 15th March 2005, 05:11

Oh fuck, I have wells fargo

SemiTechGeek · 17th March 2005, 02:38

They....are.....evil. Just accept it

6th March 2005, 00:26	#1
bgesley Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: without wax Posts: 948	Wells Fargo Atms now Windows based and web-enabled!! FUDGE! http://www.computerworld.com/softwar...tml?source=x10 /. "Wells Fargo has completed a five-year project to Web-enable its 6,200 ATMs in 23 states. Now the ATMS will be Windows based rather than OS/2 based. Avivah Litan, an analyst at Gartner Inc., in Stamford, Conn., said the move to Windows-based systems is "not great news for the security of the system. I'm sure there's a lot of holes that will be created because of this." /. Oh dear god no. Granted it was shown that a windows system properly installed with the correct software and configured properly will be more secure than a linux system I think this is a very retarded move, especially because I use Wells Fargo myself (I'm just across the bay from SF)

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k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,850	i believe that study you are referring to failed to install the correct software on the linux system. A properly configured linux system will be more secure. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

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Mattress Forum King Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,577	I would think windows would be more secure than OS/2? Or is it impossible to put OS/2 online since it's so fucking old? Besides shooting out a big blank from your buttock, you can feel as if your root chakra leaked sweet hot mucus.

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griffinn Court Jester (Forum King) Join Date: May 2000 Location: Your local toystore Posts: 3,501	It looks more like bad marketing than anything else. No bank would be insane enough to really web-enable their internal systems. Their PR staff merely chose the wrong words ("web-enable", "WebATM") and that invited a round of Windows-bashing. All they are doing is perhaps (1) use a browser to display the front-end; (2) use XML and SOAP to communicate with the back-end, which just happens to be often used as web-related technologies. With a properly secured internal environment and a restricted user interface (which the ATM is), it's relatively unimportant what the operating system of the front-end is. Given that, it's natural that corporate executives chose to adopt an OS that more people on the market will program for, i.e. Windows. Want Linux / OpenBSD / <insert your favourite OS here> to be adopted in the corporate world? Train more programmers who are competent in those environments. The smiley slot machine! \| Quotable Blog

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SemiTechGeek Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Teaching Starfleet how to fire a phaser with a hand rather than a pogo stick Posts: 324	and for that i am sorry- nothing personal, i just wish that either than bank goes under or at least have a clue as to handle technology. Damn yuppie hicks with their polo shirts and choosing software by how pretty the box looks. Rip the shacles from your ankles and live your life damnit "Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."

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SemiTechGeek Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Teaching Starfleet how to fire a phaser with a hand rather than a pogo stick Posts: 324	They....are.....evil. Just accept it Rip the shacles from your ankles and live your life damnit "Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."

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