For all you Microsoft bashers

[c0deX]

Originally posted by Yantze
You think win 2k is good? NT4sp6 is actually better...

What planet are you from? NT4 doesn't have half the shit and compatibility that win2k does. Stability is great in 2000, a decent amount of games work with it, it has integrated directx support, especially nice with audio, and it actually can handle usb and other important hardware.

[monocle]

Originally posted by Extremecriticiser
Back to about the 1970s - Microsoft was, at this tim, a scabby little bungalow in the middle of the desert and Bill Gates, CEO of the Microsoft, wears jeans, wakes up late in the morning with a bad hairdo and gets busted speeding on avarage of 3 times a week.

Legendary: Bill Gates decides to deal business with IBM, where he claimed on his first meeting with them that he has an operating system to counter Steve Jobs's Apple Computers. It's called "DOS".

The thing is, THEY LIED! THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SELL!

So where did "DOS" came from? A local buncha Seatle losers who called themselves the "Seatle Software Company" made this crappy OS, but couldn't sell it.

So Bill Gates sent one of his mates to take a Taxi, and go buy that Operating System. He bought it for $20,000.

Classy, eh?

And where did Bill Gates get the Graphic User Inteface for Windows 3.1 from? He made a fake alliance with Apple computers to create the Macintosh but instead stole the prototype Macintosh and duplicated it with the name "Windows".

Whe Steve Jobs went to test out Windows, his roared "This is the same!"

But Bill Gates calmly said "Well, it's similar."

Then there was an argument, after which Steve Jobs said "You can never beat us, we have better stuffs! (which, people, is true, Macintosh IS better than PCs)"

"Doesn't matter!" Bill Gates replied.

Ah, those were the days...

oops! you forgot to mention how Apple stole their UI from Xerox in the first place

[Comp-U-Comp]

Originally posted by superrcat
Umm...I don't know if you knew this or not, but Navigator is developed by the same people who made Netscape 4. It does use the Mozilla engine and is also called Seamonkey. Netscape/AOL just brands it and adds extra junk into it. It also isn't done. Netscape/AOL wanted it out now so it could complete with IE 5.5. Mozilla is still developing Seamonkey and "their" final release is slated for next year.

Uhh, no. the rendering engine through Netscape 5 betas was mozilla. Somewhere during the development of Mozilla the scrapped mozilla and replaced it with gecko slowing down the whole Seamonkey project which is the collective Browser/MailNews/Chat Program.

And with the 1.0 release It will be decided around Q1 2001 whether to release Q2 2001 or Q2 2002. And QA (read Asa) will be picikng the best december build next month to become Mozilla 0.7

[Extremecriticiser]

Spanky,
I'm not saying you should give Netscape a break but rather a (retirement) break. I'm also suggesting how strange it is that things change in such dramatic ways in a matter of just ten years, that's all.

monocle,
I did NOT mention anything about Apple inventing the first Graphic User interface, did I? I did not mention anything about Apple stealing from Xerox, cos I only mentioned how Microsoft got theirs.

The main Xerox corp laughed at the idea of "mouse", so they paid for their ignorance.

And:

Originally said by Bill Gates to Steve Jobs:
It's like we live in the same neighborhood as Xerox, and then you decided to go steal a TV - but you can't. Why? Cos I got there first, and now you're saying "That's not fair!"

I think he's right, in a way...

[monocle]

Originally posted by Extremecriticiser
monocle,
I did NOT mention anything about Apple inventing the first Graphic User interface, did I? I did not mention anything about Apple stealing from Xerox, cos I only mentioned how Microsoft got theirs.

The main Xerox corp laughed at the idea of "mouse", so they paid for their ignorance.

I was merely pointing out that to all those MS bashers (i.e. the Apple fans) that talk of how it is unfair that MS stole "windows" from Apple fail to mention how Apple stole it first from Xerox. Hell, for all I know, Xerox could have stole it from someone else. I don't think MS or Apple have done anything more wrong than the other or any other company. I also think that MS makes sub-quality products, as do many companies. As much as I don't like MS products for the most part (they are not ALL bad), I tend to stand up for MS as a company because I feel they have sort of gotten the raw deal by being attacked left and right for being/running a successful business. Granted, they have done wrong (like the Sun/Java thing) and they got spanked for it.

just my $0.02

And yes, Xerox fucked up... no denying that

[ecstatic]

Originally posted by phisherman
I still have Win3.0 on about 7 floppies. Ah, the good old days

Ha! I have Windows 1.0.

[bjay125]

Originally posted by John M
How does she like the kernel32 crashes and the BSODs and all th other crap?

Occasionally, explorer crashes on her. And by occasionally I mean once every few weeks. She can even go on doing what she was doing... I just told her to reboot when that happens, and I told her to reboot every few days just to keep things fresh. She has yet to see kernel32 crashes or bsod's. Remember - I excluded power users from my list of people who really excel using Win9x. Of course if you're like me and are always installing stuff or tinkering with the system - you are bound to get those crashes quite often - me also. That is why I went with Win2k... even with my never-ending quest for the smoothest running PC, Win2k just doesn't crash, period. And that I like!

[fish]

Is there a way to get a screenshot of 1.0? I've been dying to see what that looks like !

[Yantze]

CodeX...

The security for w2k (original version...no sp's) is crap. The whole point of the NT environment is to be stable (which they are), to allow for 'easy' networking (which they do), and to be secure (which the original release of w2k wasn't). The security settings for NT4sp6 were WAY better than those for the 1st release of w2k. That's what I was refering too....

[ReDVsion]

I don't suppose anyone could give me a working link for d/ling 2k... redvsion@e247.com - don't post it here. Understand that all I have is a modem & DAP, so if it'll be gone after a few days i'm S.O.L.

[carlito_au]

id just like to say i hate ie5

this is my ver no: 5.00.3105.0106IC
with updates:; SP1; q269368; q273868;

and it is always crashing on me and locking up!

[lunarboy1]

Get MSIE 5.5... it fixed a lot of the crashing problems with me. Now I don't get kernel and iexplore crashes every day. I only get them every 2 days now... . Just kiddin guys.. heh heh. I have yet to crash. WOO HOO

[Extremecriticiser]

monocle,
Did I mention ANYWHERE at all that corporate stealing is wrong? It happens all the time so people are just gonna have to accept it or take my ten bucks and go buy each of them a a life.

[monocle]

Extremecriticiser
Did I mention ANYWHERE at all that you did? I am just stating my opinion and that I hate it when people condem MS for stealing and fail to mention that Apple stole it first. No big deal. No need to get your panties all torqued. I was not bashing you in any way. Funny thing is that we agree for the most part yet you insist on argueing. What ever frosts your cake, dude.

[gremmlin]

MSOffice is way too big. Even when you install just the basics, it's total bloatware. Maybe it doesn't matter for you, Mr. 60 gig, but for users w/ small hard drives that are already packed to the brim w/ media files, a fucking office program shouldn't be so big.

[lunarboy1]

Office isn't all bloatware. Most of it is really useful as long as you know how utilize the software well. If office is too big for your harddrive then you could always just get Microsoft Works which is the very bare bones. Works seems like a piece of crap to me though.

P.s. Office Premium eddition only took up half a gig on my machine

[Aeroe]

Ohno, I'm gonna make some enemies, I actually was happy to get on WinME. Why?
Oh I tried them, been on Win3.11, Win95/98/98SE, Win2k, Whistler Beta 1, BeOS, Redhat 7 and more Linux versions.

Personally Linux lacks Software and Game availability, however thanks to the internet mostly games on linux can be hunted down. Linux was a bitch for me, wouldnt detect a Yamaha sound system, said it could, not my Intellimouse ("detected" that too) and just a complete boring OS when it's hard to find just enough good software for it.

Whistler, oh man does it need some work on loading time, thankfully it was just a beta. Didn't have too much problems with it, though using my CDRW froze me, entirely.
The blue designs you see is the "Pro mode" which in my terms the "newbie" mode since it simplifies the startmenu and makes it nice and pretty so to say.

BeOS, oh hell, nothing for that OS, oh sure it's user friendly but it supports practically nothing.

Currently running WinME, no huge problems, the occasional BSoD or kernel crash, usually from IE 5.5, but much rarer then on Win98SE with IE5.5 loaded there, not to long ago.
Certain firewalls like @guard really mess me over, and Hack Tracer doesn't yet work. Some problems with DOS apps or games or doing the Win/Linux boot requires a bootdisk.

blah, watch fur teh occacional speling erors... yeah

[Extremecriticiser]

For those who think Office is bloatware:

I don't care, cos I use Lotus .