23rd May 2005, 16:13
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Why not
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23rd May 2005, 18:03
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i mean in numbers, not with borky sliders
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25th May 2005, 00:23
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 Please excuse my ignorance, but what exactly does open source mean? I can surmise from this thread that it means great things are in store for AVS and that changes can be made to the structure, but how does it work? Under whose/what direction will it be, and will changes be possible to the original source files, or will it just be additions to the existing structure? Thanks for any info you can give me.
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25th May 2005, 03:42
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beeferoni: google for "free software foundation" "gnu" "open-source" "richard m stallman" to learn all about the magical world of free software.
Just avoid the legal bits. 
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25th May 2005, 12:21
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UnConeD as you know 'free' software is a very different thing to 'open source'. Persoanly I would have liked to have seen a special license for AVS/MilkDrop wher it can only be used within the confines of Winamp.
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25th May 2005, 14:12
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25th May 2005, 17:45
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i would personaly very much like to have linux port of avs [edit] somebody put it up to sf maybe? Phi = (1+sqrt(5))/2 Last edited by Jaak; 25th May 2005 at 18:11. |
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25th May 2005, 22:56
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waiting on the project being accepted.... it was applied for a few days ago. sf must be slow these days
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26th May 2005, 02:14
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*Has Googled open source* Oh wow! That is great news indeed. Rovastar, I can see where 'open source' and 'free' wouldn't necessarily be the same in regards to software, but isn't the 'spirit' of open source to make it easily accessible in most ways (including in monetary terms) to all users?
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26th May 2005, 03:55
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he meant the other direction...
free means doesnt mean open source in a lot of cases also, coned write "free software foundation" and not "free software" FSF are the guys that maintain GPL (prolly the most well-known open-source license) and the other GNU stuff If you can't say something nice, say something surrealistic. |
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26th May 2005, 13:50
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sf: george_dickeson
Wow.. I spend a month or two away from the community after several years of active participation, and lo and behold, they make it open source. Looks like i'll have to start spending more time on irc again too ;] It also seems like the community has been growing while i have been gone, so hopefully we will have a few extra coders on board. Can't wait to see what people have in mind to get started, I know there are a number of features that people are already itching to add. ohh.. It's nice to be back  /me opens up irc |
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27th May 2005, 11:18
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if you want to know what open-source is just try a linux OS..
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27th May 2005, 21:12
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the linux OS
or a linux distribution also, that's not really the fastest way of getting a grasp of open source If you can't say something nice, say something surrealistic. |
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27th May 2005, 21:17
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indeed
and there still isnt sf thingy up... or am i missing it? Phi = (1+sqrt(5))/2 |
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28th May 2005, 11:40
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I find this amusing. Like most of the population here, I got the meaning of the words 'open source' about 99% right the first ever time i heard them without looking anything up. It describes itself amazingly well in those to words imo..
jaak, i havent seen a sf project either. just holden's dead MVS. |
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28th May 2005, 11:49
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31st May 2005, 18:53
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Wow! Never believed that'd come true.
I'll try to conhtribute something for sure, maybe a direktly included, ready-to-use vj-interface...
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31st May 2005, 20:24
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*Has taken offense* Jeez, sorry I didn't know what open source meant! What a jerk I am. I am a 'native speaker' but I am not necessarily computer savvy on every point. Yes, I suppose I am taking this personally, but I AM the one who asked...
 (directed primarily at jheriko and ^..^) 'A googolplex is precisely as far from infinity as is the number 1...no matter what number you have in mind, infinity is larger.' -Carl Sagan |
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31st May 2005, 20:34
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Now that i re-read it, my post even seems a bit conceited... Really wasn't my purpose! Hope you aren't going to take it that personal!!
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31st May 2005, 20:43
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No, no of course not. I know you didn't mean it that way. I bet jheriko did, though!)
just kidding, j! I think I need it explained in plain terms though, maybe? I mean I have an overall 'feel' of what it is, but I want to be clear. Can't anyone sum up open source in a few sentences? not taken from a web site I mean. Layman's terms. 'Open source definitions for dummies'? lol
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31st May 2005, 21:07
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A program is created, or written,coded, in a certain language that can be converted to a language the computer understands.
AVS is mainly written in the language C++. Once finished, the computer does not know what to do with it so it has to be converted first (compiled) so the computer understands. Like translating english to japanese. The written text is called the sourcecode. A normal program (.exe) does only have the compiled information. That's useless for a programmer. (yes, there are tools to calculate it back a bit but that's always horribly messy and noone likes to go there unless their lives depend on it) A programmer needs the information the original programmer wrote. That information's called the sourcecode. To see the sourcecode that created this webpage for example, click on [view]>[source] in your browser. If the original information is not available, then it's called closed source. If the original information is available, then it's called open source. simple as that Another example: AVS visualizations are open-source; you can edit them in the editor window. WMP visualizations are closed-source. You cannot edit them. (AFAIK) /welcome back on board, Magic.X! Jesus loves you [yes, you] so much, he even died for you so that you will not need to die, but live forever |
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31st May 2005, 23:21
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hyeah welcome back Magic.X
I would be pleased to give you a hand (and some brain pieces) on this Vj part
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1st June 2005, 02:48
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Excellent, WoTL, thank you very much. That is indeed simple enough.
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3rd June 2005, 21:40
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I saw this on Slashdot and thought, wow, I need to get back to AVS, especially since all kinds of awesome stuff will be coming now that it is open source. I will be keeping a close eye on developments and just may have to release a new pack.
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4th June 2005, 09:42
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slashdot? where?
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4th June 2005, 13:11
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4th June 2005, 19:58
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oh, right... missed that one
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5th June 2005, 02:16
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Wow, that would be so cool if Shock value reappeared and released a pack! I am just a hack, but I know enough to know that sv's presets were/are the shizznit.
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7th June 2005, 18:55
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project open?
Does anyone know if the AVS sourceforge project is active yet?
A search for 'AVS' just yields a lot of projects purporting to be the 'ultimate replacement for avs' which have released no files and have been flagged inactive by sourceforge! T |
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11th June 2005, 00:57
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WU-pixels in the superscope code would be nice, especially as the abstract nature of the floating point screen is what WU-pixels were invented for.
and perhaps a better texterII renderer. and yea i realise thats mr unconneds work but it ships with winamp now yea? but personally i think the main avs system should stick to making innovative the avs system to allow you to have as much control over your avs's as possible and still be able to be creative, and not just give you a load of ape's that clog things up and do everything for you in a simple way .improve it, don't break and make a big mess of it like a few other sf projects iv seen
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11th June 2005, 12:09
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Re: project open?
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19th June 2005, 15:29
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SF online
The SF project is now online...
https://sourceforge.net/projects/avs/ My sf name is zen-x -shockingly. |
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10th July 2005, 12:19
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speaking of linux, i fully trust that i have no longer any reason to keep windows xp on my small computer which is only used for vizualizations?? did what i just said make any sense to you? |
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10th July 2005, 12:28
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I would have no reason to keep xp on my laptop wich is mostly used for visuals if avs runs fine with overlay on secondary monitor (TV out)
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10th July 2005, 21:06
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When using Windows and only for AVS, I still highly recommend win98se instead of XP. Simply the fastest.
> seemingly less crashes > all APE's work >... Jesus loves you [yes, you] so much, he even died for you so that you will not need to die, but live forever |
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10th July 2005, 21:46
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Any movement on actually recompiling AVS with the some of the newer practical APEs included in the dll? I've had a go fiddling with some of the interface, most of which break the module I'm in. Oh well. It would be nice to integrate the AVStrans ape into the main render list options. No action on the sourceforge site? Anyone know whats going on? |
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11th July 2005, 20:52
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actually, people are working on avs rewrite (for libvisual, which means avs will be cross platform, on the negative side, all apes will most likely need rewrite aswell).
I could say maybe in moth or two there is something ready. It's taking so long because libvisual need some more schizzle on its own (audio rewrite, complete windows port, script... which is supposedly almost ready). It wasn't intended to replace avs or anything, but never know... Phi = (1+sqrt(5))/2 |
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12th July 2005, 02:55
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no tradeoffs, simply the best of both worlds
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12th July 2005, 10:01
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so uhh is libvisual that linux thing that allows you to play milkdrop stuff? now that avs is open source the libvisual people will go in and put avs into libvisual as well?
::edit:: ok by now i think i sound like im not gonna be much help with doing anything serious with avs, and well, i really cant... did what i just said make any sense to you? |
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