Displaying Next Track to be Played

ClassicJazzFan · 18th July 2005, 12:40

I dont run a shoutcast server but am curious if this can be done. Can you have the shoutcast server display, on the website, the next track to be played? The site currently displays the last 5 tracks played but I think it would be great to have the next track displayed too.

Thanks in advance.

webcasterucom · 18th July 2005, 17:07

Under the DMCA it is Illegal to show upcoming tracks and times, I believe you can show the upcoming artist but not the track title.

Someone please correct me on this If I am wrong.

tuckerm · 18th July 2005, 18:04

yep joel is correct, you cannot show the next song and i doubt its legal to show the next artist.

protegechris · 18th July 2005, 18:09

Quote:

Originally posted by my stuff radio
yep joel is correct, you cannot show the next song and i doubt its legal to show the next artist.

AFAIK showing artists is fine, quite alright of it actually, SAM broadcaster's default samweb ships with a now playing page that shows the next artist, and they had explained about the legalities of it on their forums.

tuckerm · 18th July 2005, 18:12

yes its fine but its against shoutcast rules and terms i belive

protegechris · 18th July 2005, 18:16

Quote:

Nullsoft, Inc. is not responsible for the content of what is broadcast utilizing Shoutcast.com. Nullsoft, Inc. believes in the First Amendment to the US Constitution and will not review or censor any broadcast.

I had misunderstood you I think, I thought you were talking about displaying it on their site

Modifying the sc status page would be, of course.

SYNERDATA · 18th July 2005, 19:41

You can display next song if you like, as long
as it is not RIAA Cartel assocated music products.

All limitations set upon network radio operators by
the music cartels only apply to their own property.

As long as you do not play their music, you remain
as free as you were born. The products of most
independant artists are free from such limitations
as the competition has placed on their own, so you
only need to play music which is not unduly encombered
by it's copyright holder(s), and avoid the lesser products
of the large record cartels.

tuckerm · 18th July 2005, 19:54

your wrong there my friend its against shoutcast rules..so if your using the DNAS or DSP you cannot display the title thats going to play after the song thats playing now

someone please correct me if im wrong

SYNERDATA · 18th July 2005, 22:09

Shoutcast can not set limitations upon my copyrights.

It is against shoutcast rules to do that with RIAA products,
and all products which submit to the DMCA Limitations,
perhaps, however I would like you to show me where it
is against shoutcast rules for me to announce which of
my artworks I am going to present next.

I think you are making a very common mistake, which was
key to the 2002 RIAA attacks against our net radio industry,
and that is that their limitations applies to all music,
but we (the network radio industry) ultimately won, because
they can only apply limitations to their own products, and
not to that of the competition, which greatly outnumbers them...
which is why most net stations play non-limited music by their competition.

The shoutcast rules are written (intentionally) from an
RIAA centric perspective of assuming that your are going
to stream their products, inwhich case, all the DMCA and
other rules apply to you, and you must follow them.

None of those rules applies to those who compete with the
RIAA and it's artists, and artists who submit to their
limitations/royalty systems.

Can you indicate the location of the shoutcast rule
you are refering to?

protegechris · 18th July 2005, 22:15

Quote:

Originally posted by my stuff radio
your wrong there my friend its against shoutcast rules..so if your using the DNAS or DSP you cannot display the title thats going to play after the song thats playing now

someone please correct me if im wrong

You can't edit their status page, that's about the reach of their "terms", looking at the page now.. Specifically says they aren't responsible for what is done with the software..

SYNERDATA · 18th July 2005, 22:36

I think Major Dude is specifically refering
to the DMCA, and it's application in relation
to playing RIAA and Associated products on net
radio, forwhich there are many such arcane and
obtuse limitations as not playing multiple tracks
by the same artist in a row, and not saying what
is up next, and so on... But all of that only
applies to RIAA and Associate products, not music
which is independant of the limitations they choose
to impose on their own products, usually meaning,
everyone else producing music.

In that context, he is correct that it is against
shoutcast rules to break RIAA/DMCA rules when streaming
products which submit to such limitations, using shoutcast
software. I make the clarification that that only applies
to that music which is so encombered, unlike most of the
music which competes with it up now, produced by independant
copyright holders who place no limitations upon their
products and/or those who help them compete (radio).

Pimpboy · 21st July 2005, 18:31

Guys!!! he was not asking if it was legal or not... so help him whit his question instead of all that crap....

SYNERDATA · 21st July 2005, 22:51

Quote:

Originally posted by Pimpboy
Guys!!! he was not asking if it was legal or not... so help him whit his question instead of all that crap....

ClassicJazzFan was helped privately,
and in technical detail, as to how to
get the name of the next song in the
playlist, while the discussion otherwise
turned concerning the legalities here.

tuckerm · 21st July 2005, 23:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Pimpboy
Guys!!! he was not asking if it was legal or not... so help him whit his question instead of all that crap....

ya but we dont want his station to get banned either.

i cannot recall were im stating it from but its modifing the directory is against rules

ClassicJazzFan · 22nd July 2005, 08:06

Pimpboy is right that the legal turn this thread took did not help me completely. But it did help me to know not to do this if I run my own server someday. In the end i did get assistance privately, which i would not have gotten otherwise, so I did get my question answered.
A big thank you to all and the ONE for helping me out.

I am now trying to figure out how to refresh just the radio banner on a page not the whole page. Again not my server but a I hate things that cannot be solved so I try to help out or be a pest not sure which one it is yet.

SYNERDATA · 22nd July 2005, 10:04

Put the banner in an IFRAME which is set to refresh within
it's host page.

Baby Boy 06 · 23rd July 2005, 09:51

Does this go for showing on the page and against SHOUTCast rules, like, what listeners can expect to come within the next hour of music, like what songs? Just asking out of curiousness.

SYNERDATA · 23rd July 2005, 10:28

You can say what is ahead.

18th July 2005, 12:40	#1
ClassicJazzFan Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3	Displaying Next Track to be Played I dont run a shoutcast server but am curious if this can be done. Can you have the shoutcast server display, on the website, the next track to be played? The site currently displays the last 5 tracks played but I think it would be great to have the next track displayed too. Thanks in advance.

18th July 2005, 18:04	#3
tuckerm Forum Emo Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,364	yep joel is correct, you cannot show the next song and i doubt its legal to show the next artist. @tuckerm

18th July 2005, 18:12	#5
tuckerm Forum Emo Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,364	yes its fine but its against shoutcast rules and terms i belive @tuckerm

18th July 2005, 19:54	#8
tuckerm Forum Emo Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,364	your wrong there my friend its against shoutcast rules..so if your using the DNAS or DSP you cannot display the title thats going to play after the song thats playing now someone please correct me if im wrong @tuckerm

18th July 2005, 22:36	#11
SYNERDATA Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the Heart of The Night. Posts: 217	Clarifications I think Major Dude is specifically refering to the DMCA, and it's application in relation to playing RIAA and Associated products on net radio, forwhich there are many such arcane and obtuse limitations as not playing multiple tracks by the same artist in a row, and not saying what is up next, and so on... But all of that only applies to RIAA and Associate products, not music which is independant of the limitations they choose to impose on their own products, usually meaning, everyone else producing music. In that context, he is correct that it is against shoutcast rules to break RIAA/DMCA rules when streaming products which submit to such limitations, using shoutcast software. I make the clarification that that only applies to that music which is so encombered, unlike most of the music which competes with it up now, produced by independant copyright holders who place no limitations upon their products and/or those who help them compete (radio).

18th July 2005, 17:07	#2
webcasterucom Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Western Kentucky Posts: 25	Under the DMCA it is Illegal to show upcoming tracks and times, I believe you can show the upcoming artist but not the track title. Someone please correct me on this If I am wrong.

18th July 2005, 19:41	#7
SYNERDATA Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the Heart of The Night. Posts: 217	You can display next song if you like, as long as it is not RIAA Cartel assocated music products. All limitations set upon network radio operators by the music cartels only apply to their own property. As long as you do not play their music, you remain as free as you were born. The products of most independant artists are free from such limitations as the competition has placed on their own, so you only need to play music which is not unduly encombered by it's copyright holder(s), and avoid the lesser products of the large record cartels.

18th July 2005, 22:09	#9
SYNERDATA Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the Heart of The Night. Posts: 217	Shoutcast can not set limitations upon my copyrights. It is against shoutcast rules to do that with RIAA products, and all products which submit to the DMCA Limitations, perhaps, however I would like you to show me where it is against shoutcast rules for me to announce which of my artworks I am going to present next. I think you are making a very common mistake, which was key to the 2002 RIAA attacks against our net radio industry, and that is that their limitations applies to all music, but we (the network radio industry) ultimately won, because they can only apply limitations to their own products, and not to that of the competition, which greatly outnumbers them... which is why most net stations play non-limited music by their competition. The shoutcast rules are written (intentionally) from an RIAA centric perspective of assuming that your are going to stream their products, inwhich case, all the DMCA and other rules apply to you, and you must follow them. None of those rules applies to those who compete with the RIAA and it's artists, and artists who submit to their limitations/royalty systems. Can you indicate the location of the shoutcast rule you are refering to?

21st July 2005, 18:31	#12
Pimpboy Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: DK Posts: 1	Guys!!! he was not asking if it was legal or not... so help him whit his question instead of all that crap....

22nd July 2005, 08:06	#15
ClassicJazzFan Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3	Pimpboy is right that the legal turn this thread took did not help me completely. But it did help me to know not to do this if I run my own server someday. In the end i did get assistance privately, which i would not have gotten otherwise, so I did get my question answered. A big thank you to all and the ONE for helping me out. I am now trying to figure out how to refresh just the radio banner on a page not the whole page. Again not my server but a I hate things that cannot be solved so I try to help out or be a pest not sure which one it is yet.

22nd July 2005, 10:04	#16
SYNERDATA Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the Heart of The Night. Posts: 217	Put the banner in an IFRAME which is set to refresh within it's host page.

23rd July 2005, 09:51	#17
Baby Boy 06 Banned Join Date: May 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 80	Does this go for showing on the page and against SHOUTCast rules, like, what listeners can expect to come within the next hour of music, like what songs? Just asking out of curiousness.

23rd July 2005, 10:28	#18
SYNERDATA Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the Heart of The Night. Posts: 217	You can say what is ahead.

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