Old 15th September 2005, 00:32   #1
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Can You Change 'listen.pls' to 'listen.m3u'

can 'listen.pls' be changed to 'listen.m3u' and how would that be done..?

unless i am wrong .pls extension are not common to win media player and ipods, and .m3u would be common to all media player, ipod and winamp ..or perhaps there is a better common extension to use for the various media players?
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Old 15th September 2005, 00:42   #2
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Windows media player v9 and higher can tune in to Shoutcast streams. Create an ASX file for that (tons of examples in a search of these forums).

I'm not sure about iPod - I use iTunes though, and it opens .pls files just fine.
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Old 15th September 2005, 01:21   #3
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thx DotMe ..i search that out but i didnt see where winamp could use an .asx extension ..be nice to use the new ACC+ encoder wonder if thats compatible with the big 3 media players..?

thanks again!
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Old 15th September 2005, 01:29   #4
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You are not correct about the .pls extension.

EVERY MP3 player can handle it -- the problem that YOU have is that the .pls that the DNAS returns to a browser has a content-type of audio/x-scpls which is SHOUTcast specific.

One thing you should realize is that dot[.] extensions are only used by Windows on the local file system -- a web browser MUST depend upon the MIME type that is given by the HTTPd server for a particular request. [that's why something that ends in .php can return an image].

If that means nothing to you -- I'll put it this way -- if the file was named /listen.m3u or /listen.go it wouldn't matter because the DNAS would still tell whatever browser that the content-type is audio/x-scpls -- so the browser would still do whatever it is doing now.

PowerUser Tip: Copy the DNAS /listen.pls to your hard disk and launch it, it may do something totally different than what it does when you get it from the DNAS itself.
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Old 15th September 2005, 01:47   #5
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well 2 things my friend DJ, how do people that use windows media player play a live stream from SHOUTcast .pls stream, unless it just my WMP?

and this HTTPd format ..you mentioned that yesterday but i could not find info on that...

and thank you much for helping.
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Old 15th September 2005, 01:59   #6
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You have to understand, very clearly, that YOU as a broadcaster cannot "make" any player open your stream -- that is 100% dependent on the listeners configuration and what THEY want, NOT you.

For example, on my PC RealPlayer opens everything -- mp3, wma, asx, wmv, avi, wav, gif, mpeg, etc.... because It is the player I have chosen [configured] to open those file types...

Some of the onus [responsibility] in this whole deal is on the listener to have a proper configuration, and nothing YOU do can [should try to] change that for me if I have taken the time to properly config my gear.

The beauty of the internet and SHOUTcast is that I can use whatever I want to do whatever I want. As a DNAS host, you MUST respect that AT ALL COSTS, and not cry when the listener cannot do what you want or expect -- it's just the nature of what makes the internet the internet -- If you try to "force" ANYTHING upon a visitor, beware -- there are plenty of fish in the sea -- I can find everything you may have in a million other places, so don't expect even an email -- I'll just "step." and you'll never know nuthin.
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Old 15th September 2005, 02:41   #7
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you mis-understand, my friend, I'm not trying to force any file on anyone ...or any media player ..i just know that the majority of people use windows media player and, unless its just my WMP, it doesnt open a .pls stream but all 3 WMP WA & RP accept M3U streams. i believe also OS(x) also accepts M3Us .. in fact i am looking what the majority use and catering to them w/o dissing the l33t.

as far as the majority of listeners having fine tuned lean mean machines, that too depends on the l33t and the programs they create.

I am not crying or trying to force anything, I am trying to make it as easy as possible for you, as the listener, for you to have a wonderful and easy audio eXperience. I am so aware of how many fish there is in the cyber sea ..though I am also aware that I can not be everything to everyone, yet i hope not to offend the majority while pleasing the l33t.
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Old 15th September 2005, 03:05   #8
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You are ooh so right my friend, but since you know WMP comes with every copy of Windows, you also have to deal with the fact that every copy of WMP will not play nice with a SHOUTcast, and most of the time, there's nothing YOU can do about it.

We all just accept it.

If you choose not to, I understand, but I've been around long enough to tell you that this thread will become endless with "ideas" before you get satisfaction.

The REAL point I want to make is that if you feel/believe that the extension of the file makes a ANY difference, create your own -- all you have to do is create a file with your station IP and port in URL format -- place this file on any website you wish, and you'll see that the launch file has no bearing whatsoever on the ability of a particular player to decode a SHOUTcast.

Too Lazy, or don't know how? -- I've already done it, so try these:

PLS - http://djspinnercee.servehttp.com/request.pls
M3U - http://djspinnercee.servehttp.com/request.m3u
RAM - http://djspinnercee.servehttp.com/request.ram
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Old 15th September 2005, 04:06   #9
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http://70.154.231.54:8000/listen.m3u

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Old 15th September 2005, 13:17   #10
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DJ a couple of questions please?

1) why is the connection starting and closing?

2) in FireFox, for both Evil Lu and myself, all we get is a line of text "http://70.154.231.54:8000" < in text form


http://70.154.231.54:8000/listen.m3u

this is what the DNAS says...

<09/15/05@07:23:58> [source] connected from 127.0.0.1
<09/15/05@07:23:59> [source] icy-name:BZOO HomeGrown Radio ; icy-genre:BZOO Spoken Word Poetry & Music Radio. Variety Radio - Your Alternative Music, Spoken Word Poetry, Talk Radio
<09/15/05@07:23:59> [source] icy-pub:1 ; icy-br:48 ; icy-url:http://www.splashhall.org/blog/
<09/15/05@07:23:59> [source] icy-irc:#shoutcast ; icy-icq:0 ; icy-aim:N/A
<09/15/05@07:24:01> [dest: 207.200.98.3] starting stream (UID: 0)[L: 1]{A: SHOUTcast Directory Tester}(P: 0)
<09/15/05@07:24:19> [yp_add] yp.shoutcast.com added me successfully
<09/15/05@07:25:02> [dest: 207.200.98.3] connection closed (62 seconds) (UID: 0)[L: 0]{Bytes: 256000}(P: 0)
<09/15/05@07:25:23> [dest: 24.28.174.200] starting stream (UID: 1)[L: 1]{A: NSPlayer/9.0.0.2980 WMFSDK/9.0}(P: 0)
<09/15/05@07:25:23> [dest: 24.28.174.200] connection closed (0 seconds) (UID: 1)[L: 0]{Bytes: 16384}(P: 0)
<09/15/05@07:25:26> [dest: 24.28.174.200] starting stream (UID: 2)[L: 1]{A: NSPlayer/9.0.0.2980 WMFSDK/9.0}(P: 0)
<09/15/05@07:25:50> [dest: 24.28.174.200] starting stream (UID: 3)[L: 2]{A: NSPlayer/9.0.0.2980 WMFSDK/9.0}(P: 1)
<09/15/05@07:25:50> [dest: 24.28.174.200] connection closed (1 seconds) (UID: 3)[L: 1]{Bytes: 16384}(P: 1)
<09/15/05@07:25:53> [dest: 24.28.174.200] starting stream (UID: 4)[L: 2]{A: NSPlayer/9.0.0.2980 WMFSDK/9.0}(P: 1)
<09/15/05@07:26:25> [dest: 24.28.174.200] connection closed (58 seconds) (UID: 2)[L: 1]{Bytes: 90112}(P: 0)
<09/15/05@07:26:44> [dest: 24.28.174.200] connection closed (52 seconds) (UID: 4)[L: 0]{Bytes: 81920}(P: 1)
<09/15/05@07:26:46> [dest: 24.28.174.200] starting stream (UID: 5)[L: 1]{A: NSPlayer/9.0.0.2980 WMFSDK/9.0}(P: 0)
<09/15/05@07:26:47> [dest: 24.28.174.200] connection closed (0 seconds) (UID: 5)[L: 0]{Bytes: 16384}(P: 0)
<09/15/05@07:26:49> [dest: 24.28.174.200] starting stream (UID: 6)[L: 1]{A: NSPlayer/9.0.0.2980 WMFSDK/9.0}(P: 0)
<09/15/05@07:27:26> [yp_tch] yp.shoutcast.com touched!
<09/15/05@07:27:54> [dest: 24.28.174.200] connection closed (65 seconds) (UID: 6)[L: 0]{Bytes: 98304}(P: 0)
<09/15/05@07:32:32> [yp_tch] yp.shoutcast.com touched!

any idea why?
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Bah, I just answered you on the other thread.
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Old 15th September 2005, 13:49   #12
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Thanks for your help DJ, and NO i am NOT spamming the broad ..i create a new topic for a new question, as to this question/topic in the topic we were having i just thought you might have some helpful ideas...

if you look at the topic headings, they arent the same, and may be of help to other newbies like myself..

as for your accusations, you havent been right about me yet, yet i see a lot of controlling coming form you. perhaps you need to take the log out of eye before you take the spec out of your brothers... like above instead of trying to second guess me and putting labels on someone you dont know, why didnt you just answer the main question in the first place?

again DJ thanks for all your help.
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Old 15th September 2005, 13:58   #13
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Keeping things in one thread *does* make it easier on those trying to help. This is shoutcast support - there is no need for a paragraph of personal opinion and analysis of a member who has taken time to offer you support...

This isn't rocket science. Do what the rest of us do, and put links on your website for .ram, .asx and .pls files and lable them "RealPlayer", "Windows Media" and "Winamp/iTunes etc" - that makes this topic done and dusted, and we can all get on with our lives
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Old 15th September 2005, 14:10   #14
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I'm not mad at ya cafe, I just don't think that there is any problem here -- you're all set up and your SHOUTcast is working properly.

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Old 15th September 2005, 15:38   #15
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ok, i just skimmed the thread, so correct me where im wrong.

what the original poster is talking about is an issue with the mimetype that is specified when serving up m3u files from the dnas. This is pretty much where the issue lies.

of course, x-prefixed mimetypes are a grey area, since they are not officially sanctioned.

Anyway, im having trouble getting my head around this because the case you report appears to be in reverse of the logical result.


1) Lets assume player X has support for .pls files, and registers itself as mimetype handler for audio/x-scpls (since its the assumed mimetype for shoutcast servced .pls files).

2) However, player X doesnt have support for m3u files.

3) you supply a link to the m3u on your dnas, it gets served with audio/x-scpls mimetype which makes your browser launch player X.

4) player x is launched and passed an m3u file it has no idea how to handle. process fails.


This is what I expect in the case that you specified.

However you state that pls files are the ones that dont work, which i'd probably say is a player issue, since the dnas is serving up a pls file with an audio/x-scpls mimetype, which while unofficial, is the standard mimetype for a pls file as served by shoutcast.

If anything, about the only "bug" i see is that the dnas should probably serve m3u files with a mimetype of audio/x-mpgurl or whatever the most appropriate mimetype for m3u is.

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