AVS has been made open source! - Page 3

will · 13th July 2005, 21:36

ok i've added a couple of you to the project and added the source to the cvs

Jaak · 14th July 2005, 22:14

aaaw... got files but no CVS!

[edit]
actually, i can't seem to have access to files either. Darn sourceforge!

Boktor · 26th August 2005, 10:55

The sourceforge page looks rather quiet.
Is something happening?

In what way is help needed?
Should an Open-AVS promotion campaign be started?
Are the most recent course codes of the APEs available at sourceforge?
What programming-skills are wanted?
What are we waiting for?
etc.

jheriko · 15th September 2005, 11:35

HELLO!!!! CAN WE DO SOMETHING PLEASE!!!

is this ever going to go anywhere?

CraigF · 15th September 2005, 11:43

you mean uploading the code to sourceforge? will accidentally uploaded it into the mlipod project.

DrO · 15th September 2005, 12:38

Quote:

Originally posted by jheriko
HELLO!!!!... is this ever going to go anywhere?

is down to people wanting to work on it (despite the obvious lack of the code in cvs but nothing stopping people working on the code as is _but_ from what i've seen it's been out for a while now and i've not seen any custom builds (makes you wonder where all the people wanting it open sourced have gone.. such a great system apart from a lack of people).

i would do some work on the project but since my time is spread thin enough on a number of other projects i'm not going to look into working on this for some time being..

-daz

zamuz · 15th September 2005, 23:17

i'm pretty sure that like half of the people that wanted avs open sourced weren't the coders of the community, including me, it was just something we saw as the only light in the future of avs. now it's up to the people who know about the programming side, but then again most of us have a life to, well, live.

i chose to be patient. i never saw open source avs coming, and it happened. i don't see development coming anytime soon, so i'm expecting a surprise

MaTTFURY · 19th September 2005, 02:45

I've already started on some c/c++ coding experience of fun! o_O

PAK-9 · 19th September 2005, 14:58

I'm on the edge of my seat matt

goebish · 19th September 2005, 15:40

Can we say printf("hello world"); is fun ?

TomyLobo · 24th September 2005, 06:47

/me pokes pak-9 off his seat

Emperor Xóbel · 3rd October 2005, 04:10

I gotta agree with carmatic and jaak and say that winamp is the most major thing keeping me with windows. I'd much rather linux, but would miss winamp and visualisations. I'm sure there are other vis' for linux (libvisual?) but if avs and winamp existed for linux it'd be the shizzy yo. Of course, I'm a noob in the world of html, let alone c++ lol. If i ever learn though, I'd be helping! I know its an unreasonable request and codemonkeys are indeed only human, but hardware acceleration would be awesome. I have a sweet graphics card that doesn't get used cuz i'm not a gamer. Too bad. Go team winamp!

jheriko · 8th October 2005, 00:14

i think everyone has been playing with this on their own and not releasing forks because forks are bad. i'll admit i've done about zero playing...

sorry for not checking up on this thread regularly... i really should make more effort since i like to think i am some kind of r33tar codemonkey

MaTTFURY · 8th October 2005, 02:13

Quote:

Go team winamp

we officially have some cheerleaders

Emperor Xóbel · 10th October 2005, 02:18

I don't think I'd look good in a cheerleaders outfit. Fuck I don't even think cheerleaders look good in cheerleaders outfits. (Better out of them)....

sidd · 26th October 2005, 10:24

Looks like this thread is about where it was when i last checked (a while ago now).

I have a lot of time on my hands now, so I'm going run through the code and start commenting it and making it more accessable to all those out there that want to do something (and also so I can get my head around it).

I think if we managed to get it working as its own application, and ported to linux, it could take off. I say that because linux, with all its driver issues, can't get enough of software rendering apps. So it's a match made in heaven really

At the moment it uses some assembler features and other things that are dependent on the MS VC++ compiler, and at a quick glance, there seem to be winamp SDK stuff used all the way through it, so it cleaning it out could mean a lot of work.

Anyway, if anyone else has some immediate ideas, or has already started playing with it, please post here and let us know.

gordmoo · 27th October 2005, 02:36

its great that avs is open source but you can't just magically expect some myserious strangers to start hacking up code and creating what you have allways dreamed of. in its current form its pritty unworkable, tied into too many systems.

if someone were to work on the systems involved and make it into some nice clean code that you could, for example easly modify to work with something like XMMS on linux, im sure that then, the prospect of working on something, not just to port it to diffirent systems. but also to improve avs would be much more attractive.

---
also, i apologise for the overuse of comma's there.. tis very late

TomyLobo · 28th October 2005, 00:23

it's gonna take a neurosurgeon to take all those winamp parts out of AVS's brain
but the major problem will be to make the evallib portable while keeping it fast

gordmoo: your PED pack is a bomb

sidd · 28th October 2005, 05:26

Yeah, I think we were all let down a little when we the source was released. I think I was expecting it to be all commented and clean and majikally easy to port. :]

You are right that evallib will be a problem, and not just for architecture; it will take a lot of messing around for it to even compile on anything but msvc++ (which i don't have access to).

MaTTFURY · 29th October 2005, 05:12

Maybe if we wanted some more help we could link it up with the xmms project eh? I know Jheriko is starting to get into some linux c/c++ coding ...

gordmoo · 1st November 2005, 10:34

yea i wish my pack was a bomb mr tomylobo, fireworks night is coming up and iv totally forgot

.. gotta have something to explode, im thinkin really shaking up a beer can and creative use of a torch might fool at least someone...

the xmms project peoples are kinda weird though.. i meen, they are kinda some people who made a program for windows 3.1 but refused to update it to windows 9x or something. they won't even update to GTK2, so the menus n stuff look awful for lots. the BMPx peoples seem nice though.. once they have some stable code anyway.

i think maybe the evalib design needs to be rethought.. when you make code thats designed to be portable its usually simple and eligant.. and therefor, reasonably fast. when you make things to work on windows they are generally hacked up to bits to make it fit with the Win32 api.

if someone got it too compile on systems other than windows and vc++ id love to take a shot and hacking some stuff, right now the only copy of vc++ i have is way old.. and not quite.. legal. so i do all my coding with eclipse, gcc, make and the like on linux. plus, vc++ isn't very good.

OnionRingOfDoom · 16th November 2005, 02:33

I have come out of the woodwork to say: holy hijola!

jheriko · 25th November 2005, 11:29

I don't think this is going far. I have little interest anymore... I have started working on Fridge, when its done AVS will look redundant... we hope

http://fridge.acko.net

It makes more sense (at least to me) to start again from scratch without making the bad design choices that have made people complain about AVS. (e.g. cross-platform, 3d hardware)

gordmoo · 26th November 2005, 20:57

i was thinking about setting something like that up but there are some problems, such as making a cross platform program that needs to be very very very quick.. but doesn't use assembly, using say mmx instructions for x86 processors and using c routines for ppc and the like isn't a good idea because it makes the ppc ports practically useless.

if your serious about it though, id love to help out

Jaak · 1st December 2005, 18:31

gotdmoo:
fridge wont use cpu to do the rendering, it will take heavy use of gpu. (gf 3 and up except gf4 are supported)

jheriko · 3rd December 2005, 12:38

although there is nothing on the fridge site yet. early development has been promising... its certainly not impossible

btw gf4 is supported, but not gf4mx.

JaY FaTBoY · 8th December 2005, 09:40

That fridge thing looks interestig /well i've always been into fridges/. As you said - nothing on the site yet. But there is work on that project, right? Cause I don't see any posts in the last few months. Just asking so that i know if the faint treble in me should be allowed to grow into a bell ring or whatever. Sound really excitin, visual stuff has always been me home, but avs doesn't fit me big ass

jheriko · 8th December 2005, 12:33

yeah, i really should write something up there, but i have been busy the last couple of days. i'm sure it will be updated soon, but there is no major development, and there are already tons of bugs and issues... but yeah, check it out about once a month and i'm sure you will see it growing slowly until its done

JaY FaTBoY · 8th December 2005, 12:54

hehe, i will. As of bugs, I am getting paid to find those things so count on me to report these

JFASI · 8th December 2005, 22:48

Ho, boy, here they come...

eheiney · 28th May 2006, 06:59

Well the source has been out for more than a year now, still nothing. I know Fridge is coming along slowly, what's the word on that?

13th July 2005, 21:36	#81
will Nullsoft Newbie (Moderator) Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 5,569	ok i've added a couple of you to the project and added the source to the cvs DO NOT PM ME WITH TECH SUPPORT QUESTIONS

14th July 2005, 22:14	#82
Jaak Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Estonia. Posts: 851	aaaw... got files but no CVS! [edit] actually, i can't seem to have access to files either. Darn sourceforge! Phi = (1+sqrt(5))/2

15th September 2005, 11:35	#84
jheriko Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: a twist in the fabric of space Posts: 2,150	HELLO!!!! CAN WE DO SOMETHING PLEASE!!! is this ever going to go anywhere? -- Jheriko 'Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers'

19th September 2005, 02:45	#88
MaTTFURY Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Australia, Posts: 1,356	I've already started on some c/c++ coding experience of fun! o_O i am not normal, no really.

19th September 2005, 14:58	#89
PAK-9 Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 1,374	I'm on the edge of my seat matt http://PAK-9.deviantart.com ...innit

26th August 2005, 10:55	#83
Boktor Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 38	The sourceforge page looks rather quiet. Is something happening? In what way is help needed? Should an Open-AVS promotion campaign be started? Are the most recent course codes of the APEs available at sourceforge? What programming-skills are wanted? What are we waiting for? etc.

15th September 2005, 11:43	#85
CraigF Passionately Apathetic Administrator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Hell Posts: 5,435	you mean uploading the code to sourceforge? will accidentally uploaded it into the mlipod project.

15th September 2005, 23:17	#87
zamuz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: santiago, chile Posts: 152	i'm pretty sure that like half of the people that wanted avs open sourced weren't the coders of the community, including me, it was just something we saw as the only light in the future of avs. now it's up to the people who know about the programming side, but then again most of us have a life to, well, live. i chose to be patient. i never saw open source avs coming, and it happened. i don't see development coming anytime soon, so i'm expecting a surprise

19th September 2005, 15:40	#90
goebish Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: an UFO near planet earth Posts: 164	Can we say printf("hello world"); is fun ? Get more APEs

24th September 2005, 06:47	#91
TomyLobo Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 580	/me pokes pak-9 off his seat If you can't say something nice, say something surrealistic.

3rd October 2005, 04:10	#92
Emperor Xóbel Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ishtihrsafhá Posts: 25	I gotta agree with carmatic and jaak and say that winamp is the most major thing keeping me with windows. I'd much rather linux, but would miss winamp and visualisations. I'm sure there are other vis' for linux (libvisual?) but if avs and winamp existed for linux it'd be the shizzy yo. Of course, I'm a noob in the world of html, let alone c++ lol. If i ever learn though, I'd be helping! I know its an unreasonable request and codemonkeys are indeed only human, but hardware acceleration would be awesome. I have a sweet graphics card that doesn't get used cuz i'm not a gamer. Too bad. Go team winamp!

8th October 2005, 00:14	#93
jheriko Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: a twist in the fabric of space Posts: 2,150	i think everyone has been playing with this on their own and not releasing forks because forks are bad. i'll admit i've done about zero playing... sorry for not checking up on this thread regularly... i really should make more effort since i like to think i am some kind of r33tar codemonkey -- Jheriko 'Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers'

10th October 2005, 02:18	#95
Emperor Xóbel Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ishtihrsafhá Posts: 25	I don't think I'd look good in a cheerleaders outfit. Fuck I don't even think cheerleaders look good in cheerleaders outfits. (Better out of them)....

26th October 2005, 10:24	#96
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	Looks like this thread is about where it was when i last checked (a while ago now). I have a lot of time on my hands now, so I'm going run through the code and start commenting it and making it more accessable to all those out there that want to do something (and also so I can get my head around it). I think if we managed to get it working as its own application, and ported to linux, it could take off. I say that because linux, with all its driver issues, can't get enough of software rendering apps. So it's a match made in heaven really At the moment it uses some assembler features and other things that are dependent on the MS VC++ compiler, and at a quick glance, there seem to be winamp SDK stuff used all the way through it, so it cleaning it out could mean a lot of work. Anyway, if anyone else has some immediate ideas, or has already started playing with it, please post here and let us know.

27th October 2005, 02:36	#97
gordmoo Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Crewe, uk Posts: 17	its great that avs is open source but you can't just magically expect some myserious strangers to start hacking up code and creating what you have allways dreamed of. in its current form its pritty unworkable, tied into too many systems. if someone were to work on the systems involved and make it into some nice clean code that you could, for example easly modify to work with something like XMMS on linux, im sure that then, the prospect of working on something, not just to port it to diffirent systems. but also to improve avs would be much more attractive. --- also, i apologise for the overuse of comma's there.. tis very late

28th October 2005, 00:23	#98
TomyLobo Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 580	it's gonna take a neurosurgeon to take all those winamp parts out of AVS's brain but the major problem will be to make the evallib portable while keeping it fast gordmoo: your PED pack is a bomb If you can't say something nice, say something surrealistic.

28th October 2005, 05:26	#99
sidd Major Dude Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,353	Yeah, I think we were all let down a little when we the source was released. I think I was expecting it to be all commented and clean and majikally easy to port. :] You are right that evallib will be a problem, and not just for architecture; it will take a lot of messing around for it to even compile on anything but msvc++ (which i don't have access to).

29th October 2005, 05:12	#100
MaTTFURY Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Australia, Posts: 1,356	Maybe if we wanted some more help we could link it up with the xmms project eh? I know Jheriko is starting to get into some linux c/c++ coding ... i am not normal, no really.

1st November 2005, 10:34	#101
gordmoo Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Crewe, uk Posts: 17	yea i wish my pack was a bomb mr tomylobo, fireworks night is coming up and iv totally forgot .. gotta have something to explode, im thinkin really shaking up a beer can and creative use of a torch might fool at least someone... the xmms project peoples are kinda weird though.. i meen, they are kinda some people who made a program for windows 3.1 but refused to update it to windows 9x or something. they won't even update to GTK2, so the menus n stuff look awful for lots. the BMPx peoples seem nice though.. once they have some stable code anyway. i think maybe the evalib design needs to be rethought.. when you make code thats designed to be portable its usually simple and eligant.. and therefor, reasonably fast. when you make things to work on windows they are generally hacked up to bits to make it fit with the Win32 api. if someone got it too compile on systems other than windows and vc++ id love to take a shot and hacking some stuff, right now the only copy of vc++ i have is way old.. and not quite.. legal. so i do all my coding with eclipse, gcc, make and the like on linux. plus, vc++ isn't very good.

16th November 2005, 02:33	#102
OnionRingOfDoom Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brookly, NYC Posts: 72	I have come out of the woodwork to say: holy hijola! http://jeremyabel.com

25th November 2005, 11:29	#103
jheriko Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: a twist in the fabric of space Posts: 2,150	I don't think this is going far. I have little interest anymore... I have started working on Fridge, when its done AVS will look redundant... we hope http://fridge.acko.net It makes more sense (at least to me) to start again from scratch without making the bad design choices that have made people complain about AVS. (e.g. cross-platform, 3d hardware) -- Jheriko 'Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers'

26th November 2005, 20:57	#104
gordmoo Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Crewe, uk Posts: 17	i was thinking about setting something like that up but there are some problems, such as making a cross platform program that needs to be very very very quick.. but doesn't use assembly, using say mmx instructions for x86 processors and using c routines for ppc and the like isn't a good idea because it makes the ppc ports practically useless. if your serious about it though, id love to help out

1st December 2005, 18:31	#105
Jaak Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Estonia. Posts: 851	gotdmoo: fridge wont use cpu to do the rendering, it will take heavy use of gpu. (gf 3 and up except gf4 are supported) Phi = (1+sqrt(5))/2

3rd December 2005, 12:38	#106
jheriko Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: a twist in the fabric of space Posts: 2,150	although there is nothing on the fridge site yet. early development has been promising... its certainly not impossible btw gf4 is supported, but not gf4mx. -- Jheriko 'Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers'

8th December 2005, 09:40	#107
JaY FaTBoY Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: sofia,bulgaria Posts: 43	That fridge thing looks interestig /well i've always been into fridges/. As you said - nothing on the site yet. But there is work on that project, right? Cause I don't see any posts in the last few months. Just asking so that i know if the faint treble in me should be allowed to grow into a bell ring or whatever. Sound really excitin, visual stuff has always been me home, but avs doesn't fit me big ass

8th December 2005, 12:33	#108
jheriko Forum King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: a twist in the fabric of space Posts: 2,150	yeah, i really should write something up there, but i have been busy the last couple of days. i'm sure it will be updated soon, but there is no major development, and there are already tons of bugs and issues... but yeah, check it out about once a month and i'm sure you will see it growing slowly until its done -- Jheriko 'Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers'

8th December 2005, 12:54	#109
JaY FaTBoY Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: sofia,bulgaria Posts: 43	hehe, i will. As of bugs, I am getting paid to find those things so count on me to report these

8th December 2005, 22:48	#110
JFASI Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: I was hoping you could tell me Posts: 1,350	Ho, boy, here they come...

28th May 2006, 06:59	#111
eheiney und keine Eier! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MI, USA Posts: 1,374	Well the source has been out for more than a year now, still nothing. I know Fridge is coming along slowly, what's the word on that? Spiral out, my friend. You will find your way back to yourself, we all will. I'll be waiting, and shall see you on the other side...

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