The Official New Order Thread

[Cylob]

You do have a new Electronic album 'seer!

I want a new NO album.

[Twilightseer]

So far, I would say 7 (on the NO scale, which means about 12/13 by everybody else's standard). It's a solid album, better than Get Ready in my opinion.
I wonder though why they (Sumner?) keep marring (admire the pun ) the album with tracks like Jetstream and above all Guilt Is A Useless Emotion: I want to hear Sumner singing, not a random female singer whose voice sounds like 10,000 others.
Weird.
It's still true that the surprise effect is gone and the album is very 'one-sounded'. But many bands would kill to produce such songs so I won't complain.
That being said, I have a question about New Order lyrics. How would you native English speakers would rate them? Sometimes, I think that Sumner really writes banal lyrics but the music is so brilliant that it doesn't bother me. It's strange.
Any opinion is appreciated.

[Mr Jones]

@'seer...

Why do they keep adding in female vocals?, it sells records, Jetstream is being lined up to be the next single, probably purely on the fact that the random female vocalist is the chick out of the Scissor Sisters,(REF) who seem to be popular as hell over here, so they'll probably sell the record on the back of that, that and fact that sumner has a crap voice really

What amused me the most was, I read an interview with them that said they had left out about 7 or 8 tracks from the final album, because while they were good, they sounded too 'new ordery', I have to laugh as I heard Krafty on the radio while sat in a car park one Saturday afternoon and even before sumner had started to sing I said ' I bet you that's a new New Order track', and lo it was, it's the most New Ordery sounding track on the whole album, anyhow..

As for Phil Cunnigham joining them full time, only good things to say about that, he did most of the Get Ready tour and sessions anyhow, but as a full time member he's really contributed to the album, taking it off and making it sound different to other NO albums, yes, only good things to say here.

Fave tracks on it?, Krafty is a fine slice of music, title track is good, I also like Turn, which could have come straight off Technique, listen to the intro again and you can almost imagine him launching into 'It doesn't take a genius to tell me what I am', I also like Guilt is just another..., gonna be huge in the clubs over summer I reckon, once the remixers have got their hands on it.


Lyrics wise? , Sumner has always wrote absolute shit that make no sense at all, I've thought that for a long time, maybe he smoked too much puff or tripped on one to many happy pills, he's certainly no Burt Bacharach , that's for sure.

From my huge New Order fest on the train the other day, I'd still have to rate Technique as my fave album, followed probably by Lowlife and PC&L, the others would probably rank about the same, although hearing Get Ready again for the first time in a couple of years I actually found I enjoyed it more than I remember doing when it was released.

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[Cylob]

My faves would be Movement, Brotherhood & Technique. I'd stick Electronic/Electronic in there, after all it's much more New Order than Smiths. I'd also rank Monaco/Music For Pleasure, it has that New Order sound (right down to the vocals and dodgy lyrics).

I've listened to their new album once, and I can't be assed to play it again soon (crime against music)? Something's changed between Get Ready and Waiting for the Sirens' Call, it's called "Post-Rock". If you listen to the new single by "The Bravery" (for example), it makes latter-day New Order sound flatter than ever. They may be a great band with a great heritage (and a legacy), but they still have to compete for ears.

Thus, the battle is lost, draw the velvet curtains.

This is 2005.

*scurries off to play "Brotherhood", followed by the new single by "The Bravery"*

[tracerh]

Joy Division were the dogs proverbials. New Order... hmm... no, I've always hated them really. They're to dull for Me.

The only exceptions are Blue Monday, World In Motion (purely coz it was for the England and all that, it's well gay otherwise) and their best effort 'Can't Get Blue Monday Out of My Head'.

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by Cylob
My faves would be Movement, Brotherhood & Technique. I'd stick Electronic/Electronic in there, after all it's much more New Order than Smiths. I'd also rank Monaco/Music For Pleasure, it has that New Order sound (right down to the vocals and dodgy lyrics).

I've listened to their new album once, and I can't be assed to play it again soon (crime against music)? Something's changed between Get Ready and Waiting for the Sirens' Call, it's called "Post-Rock". If you listen to the new single by "The Bravery" (for example), it makes latter-day New Order sound flatter than ever. They may be a great band with a great heritage (and a legacy), but they still have to compete for ears.

Thus, the battle is lost, draw the velvet curtains.

This is 2005.

*scurries off to play "Brotherhood", followed by the new single by "The Bravery"*

That sounds really harsh to me

Give the new album its chance

[Cylob]

Originally posted by tracerh
Joy Division were the dogs proverbials. New Order... hmm... no, I've always hated them really. They're to dull for Me.

There's a pain threshold with 80's New Order, particularly with the vocals.

If you have the willpower to get past it, you're in for treat after treat.

But judging by your sig, it'll never happen.

[Cylob]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
That sounds really harsh to me

Give the new album its chance

Maybe....

There's a chance some tracks will come up on random.

But they're in a playlist of 70,000.

[Twilightseer]

Most of the vocals on "Power, Corruption and Lies" verge on unbearable. Especially "The Village". It gets better on "Low Life" (still, Sumner sings horribly on "Face Up" for instance). And after that, it miraculously changes. Sumner has really learnt to sing over the years. His voice has never been better. But early New Order stuff is still good, musically. "Your Silent Face" and "Leave Me Alone", among others, are splendid songs...

[Cylob]

I admire the message PCL sends.... "bollox to the perfect pop record". However, it makes for a crap listen!!! The ultimate in cruelty would be locking up a newbie with a copy (and leaving a revolver in the top drawer).

On a sidenote, I find that this.....



Followed by this.....



Is the perfect music experience. I discovered it while putting up curtain rails in 1998. 2 albums, carrying the same feel, as if cut from the same piece of rock.

Before committing me to a comfortable room without a chair, try it.

[Cylob]

If "Disco 3" and "Mixed Up" are anything to go by, perhaps NO should submit some tracks to the electroclash gurus for a mix album.

(As they can no longer cut it for themselves anyway).

[Twilightseer]

Well, I have their remix album "The Rest Of". Not sure I've ever listened to the complete thing.
I just like New Order doing their own thing anyway

[gaekwad2]

I've yet to completely listen through both their last two albums (just tried again ).

[Cylob]

They're a classic case of "should've stayed in the 20th century".

Electronic could possibly still cut it, as haircut and fatboy do make a good team. But NO without Gill Gillian just ain't happening. It's like listening to your own farts, only less entertaining...

[gaekwad2]

It sounds like New Order by numbers, lifeless, as if some studio drones recreated the sound but left out all personality.

[Mattress]

I never really got into New Order, but I always liked Bizarre Love Triangle by them.

[Cylob]

Perhaps you'll like "Republic", it's a stylish synth-driven album, well produced, a nice clean sound. The tracks twist and turn just in the right places.

Goes with almost any occasion.....

A wedding, a funeral, a christening.

[Twilightseer]

Just for info: a 2-cd compilation of all NO singles called "Singles" (duh ) is due for release on Oct 3rd. Apparently, it's going to include all the original single versions (cool for Temptation and Confusion).
Also, the next NO album is scheduled for July 2006

[Mr Jones]

Question is, will that next new order album that's due July 06, be made up of the left overs from WfthSC?, I'd read a few interviews that said they'd recorded so much stuff for this album that they thought was really great that they could probably squeeze a second album out of all the leftovers.

Oh, and , another Singles collection?, how many is that?

[Twilightseer]

Well, I think that the next album will be a direct follow-up to "Waiting For The Sirens' Call" but I certainly won't complain, I like this album, even though it may be not as great as old-era New Order, it's still a thousand times better than what The Cure has turned into.

About the singles compilation, there was already Substance in 1987, which compiled all the singles they'd released until then plus the B-sides, usually as special edits or extended remix versions, there was "The Best Of" in 1994 and "International" in 2002, though they were not strictly singles compilations.
And there's also the "Retro" boxset released in 2002 as well, so yes, that makes a lot.

A complete B-sides/Rarities album would've been much better.

[Mr Jones]

Yeah, I agree, I actually like the bulk of Sirens, more so than I did 'get ready', which really only had a couple of stand out tracks, well ok, one....

Too many singles collection there, I'll stick to my own personal singles collection, most of them of them on scratchy old 12inch vinyl, the 30 minute Confusion is a classic and my personal fave, FAC93

[Twilightseer]

There's a 30-minute version of Confusion ?

They need to release that on CD asap!

[Mr Jones]

Yeah, the original vinyl copy was huuuuuuge, it was like one long track, I think it was supposed to be 4 mixes over two sides, but side one just sounds like one mix.

That's why when substance was released back in '87 they recorded a new version of confusion for it as the original was just way way way too long to fit sensibly onto the album.

[sij]

My fave band of all time!

Most listened to album is Substance, which first got me into them, but best albums:

1. Technique - Balearic classic! No fillers.

2. PC&L - Still sounds great and modern.

3. Low-life - Just great songs.

4. Brotherhood - NO in their rock phase and includes the 'uppiest' song ever, BLT!

5. Republic - Always feels a bit 'cold' to me, but still some good tracks on there.

6. WFTSC - Nothing ground-breaking hear (apart from Barney's new found obsession with Ragga) but shows they can still produce some great songs - Drac's Castle, Turn, WFTSC, Krafty and Hey Joe are my faves. Can't listen to Jetstream though.

7. Movement - Always found this hard to listen to at first, apart from In Between Days, sorry Dreams Never End, but have lately begun to appreciate it more.

8. Get Ready - Dissapointing, apart from the classic Crystal.

My favourite NO song is Temptation (the 12" version), which I believe is officially the best song in the world. Ever! It's just got that kind of euphoric feel to it, and always sends a shiver down my spine when the strummy guitars kick in. I believe Barney had dropped half a tab of acid during the recording and Hooky put a snowball down his back when he was singing som od the 'ooh ee ooh ee ooh' bits.

To top Mr Jones, I lived in Manc for 5 years and saw Barney in the Hacienda but didn't know what to say to him (he was leaning against one of the pillars for about 20 minutes, probably out of it).
We also bought Hooky and Rob Gretton a drink at the Paradise Factory.
I was once crossing the road near Granada Studios when Hooky was married to Mrs. Merton and he'd dropped her off and stopped his 4 x 4 (with a H100 KYS number plate!)to let me cross the road. I had to bow down to him and he gave me a honk!
My brother still lives in Manchester and we recently went to the 'Hacienda Classics' night at the Music Box where Hooky played for an hour or so and said hello.

So there!

[Cylob]

Hail to the new Bernard.

[Michgelsen]

I really like True Faith, on which album is it anyway?

[gaekwad2]

Substance