Winamp 5.25 beta preview (build 868)

[winamp_nation]

wow, i've been watching this development for awhile now, and i really can't wait for the final product.

Keep up the good work dev and community.

[alexjoey]

I hope that the restarting with this build-857 installation will remain exceptional if not that would be a pity because it is on 98 that one starts again for the least thing, not on XP.

Let us be patient for a final build.

[DrO]

the restart is needed if you've installed/updated the sonic burning engine (which is also meant to fix issues on Win98 i believe). you can keep using winamp without the reboot but the sonic burning/ripping side of things won't work until the next system reboot (aspi interfaces would be used instead). and i'm sure this is noted in the first post of this thread somewhere

-daz

[alexjoey]

I had already read this, yes, I just protested to hope that next builds will not have to propose nor to have a justification to a reboot. Afflicted to have taken to you of your time, thank you still.

[DJ Egg]

First time installers of the Sonic update will still need to reboot before they can use those features. If you've already installed the Sonic Engine update from b857 and rebooted then you won't be prompted to reboot again in any later builds....

(continued in the post below) :-D

[CraigF]

unless, of course, sonic is updated once more.

[YtseJam]

nm

[bemymonkey]

Weird... Since 857 (I think... could be longer) a few of my MP3s are showing up twice in the media library... two ML entries per file. What's going on? Anybody else experiencing this? It's only happening with relatively few files...

What I've noticed about the files:

1. They've all got both ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags at least partially filled out
2. None of them have track numbers in either of the tags

Could this have something to do with it?

[naumaxos]

what i was talking about:when you queue a song (or multiple) in the playlist and you add a song above it (somewhere) in the playlist the queue list is cleared.it didn't happen with 5.24

[DJ Egg]

Ahh, now ^that^ I can reproduce.

Load a playlist, add eg. entries 10-20 to the queue
then drag+drop an mp3 from explorer to eg. position # 5 in the playlist.
The queue list is cleared and the newly added file becomes #1 in the queue.

edit: hmm, the newly added file only becomes #1 in the queue if it was already one of the files in the queue (ie. a duplicate). Otherwise, the first item in the queue seems to retain its "#1 in the queue" position, but the rest of the queue is cleared.

Note that the problem doesn't exist if you add a file below the queued entries, only if it's above.

[will]

Originally posted by Juanus
*caugh* sync all button *cough*

Happy now?

[Juanus]

MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!
thanks Will.... Thank You Thank You.

Now lets test this baby out!

[bemymonkey]

Any ideas about the duplicate ML entries?... I'm wondering if I'll have to nuke my entire library and start over (All those ratings... noooooooooooooooooooooooooo)...

btw... is there a way to export (rather... backup) the ratings without exporting the whole media library data?

[Benski]

Originally posted by bemymonkey
Any ideas about the duplicate ML entries?... I'm wondering if I'll have to nuke my entire library and start over (All those ratings... noooooooooooooooooooooooooo)...

If you hit Alt+3 on the files, do they have the same filename? Maybe one of them has short filenames (e.g. abcdef~1.mp3) and the other has long filenames?

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by Benski
If you hit Alt+3 on the files, do they have the same filename? Maybe one of them has short filenames (e.g. abcdef~1.mp3) and the other has long filenames?

That's the weird thing - everything in the two ID3 windows is EXACTLY the same. As far as I can tell both ML entries are pointing to the exact same file... Changing something in one ID3 window changes it in the other too... Really strange. I'm sure it's only started happening recently though, no earlier than two days ago...

[DJ Egg]

I can reproduce this weird "duplicate mldb entries" issue.

There doesn't seem to be any pattern to which entries are duplicated (some have tags, some don't, some are mp3, some are wma/ogg/m4a, some filenames have all alphanumeric english characters, etc).

What I do know though is that when I restore a backup of main.dat and main.idx from July and use NDE.DLL from 5.24 with 5.25, then the problem doesn't occur when I rescan Watch Folders.

The main reason why I haven't noticed any problem is because I haven't actually rescanned my Watch Folders for months (mainly 'cos it takes ages to scan ~30,000 files). I've just been using "pledit > rt-click > send to > add to library" for any new files recently, heh.

So yes, there's definitely an issue here with NDE.DLL

(Winamp\nde.dll = Nullsoft Database Engine - for those who didn't know)

[Benski]

Winamp 5.25 Beta, build 868

Winamp 5.25 Beta Full
Winamp 5.25 Beta Pro (asks for key during install)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Standard (same as Full but no ML or viz)
Winamp 5.25 Beta Lite

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Changes between b857 and b868

* New: [ml_pmp] automatically sync your ml playlists with your portable device
* New: Core Media Library Components subcategory in the installer options
* Improved: [in_mp3] faster mp3 replay gain scanning
* Improved: Filenames now shown for Gen & ML plugins in Prefs
* Fixed: [ml_playlists] non-english filenames fix
* Fixed: [ml_disc] CD view right-click menu options
* Fixed: [ml_pmp] various fixes based on crash reports
* Fixed: [in_mp3] "Size: x bytes" data missing in File Info box
* Fixed: [in_mp4] msvcp71.dll dependency
* Fixed: a few reported typos in prefs
* Fixed: duplicate media library entries bug (unfortunately your old duplicate entries will still exist)

Known bugs/issues:
(will all be fixed for next build)
* ReplayGain Scanner is broken for .ogg (fixed in_vorbis.dll - download | info)
* The WMA encoder configuration is currently a mess. We added in Lossless, VBR & 1/2-pass options, but things are a bit quirky. The encoder itself *does* work, just it's really tough to configure :-)
* The small "Send Info" window that appears after installation is colored incorrectly.
* The installer says 'custom' instead of 'previous installation' (on upgrades)
* Core ML Components is unchecked in the installer on clean Full installs (doh!)
* The [filenames] for gen & ml plugins in Prefs should be preceded by two extra spaces (like on the other Prefs > Plugins pages). Also note that this breaks DrO's One For Nunz plugin, though a new fixed version of gen_nunzio is now available (for people using said plugin).

[niktheguru]

Good work guys, love it.

[YtseJam]

* New: Core Media Library Components subcategory in the installer options

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
I can reproduce this weird "duplicate mldb entries" issue.

There doesn't seem to be any pattern to which entries are duplicated (some have tags, some don't, some are mp3, some are wma/ogg/m4a, some filenames have all alphanumeric english characters, etc).

What I do know though is that when I restore a backup of main.dat and main.idx from July and use NDE.DLL from 5.24 with 5.25, then the problem doesn't occur when I rescan Watch Folders.

The main reason why I haven't noticed any problem is because I haven't actually rescanned my Watch Folders for months (mainly 'cos it takes ages to scan ~30,000 files). I've just been using "pledit > rt-click > send to > add to library" for any new files recently, heh.

So yes, there's definitely an issue here with NDE.DLL

(Winamp\nde.dll = Nullsoft Database Engine - for those who didn't know)

Is there a way to make a list of the files via a clever query? I.E. some way to show duplicate entries only? Might be easier to find similarities between the files then...

[YtseJam]

I've been wondering about something...

What do lame_enc, enc_lame do? I always remove them from the plug-ins folder and out_wave as well.

Why do they get extracted?

[DJ Egg]

@bemymonkey
I...don't...really...know...
The bug is fixed in latest beta. Alas, these things happen with beta software, heh.

@YtseJam
enc_lame is the MP3 Encoder plugin (for cd ripping & transcoding), and lame_enc is the actual Lame Encoder.

out_wave (WaveOut Output plugin) is installed by default.

[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
@bemymonkey
I...don't...really...know...
The bug is fixed in latest beta. Alas, these things happen with beta software, heh.

It's fixed? Awesome.

[DJ Egg]

Yes, see the 868 changelog above :-)

Alas, unless you've got an older backup of your main.dat and main.idx that you can restore, then you'll be stuck with the duplicate entries, unless you manually locate and remove them, heh.

[bemymonkey]

Whoops, didn't see that. I think I've still got an older backup in my laptop's recycling bin hahah. :-)...

[Koopa]

Originally posted by DJ Egg
out_wave (WaveOut Output plugin) is installed by default.

I guess he means, that the installer should have an option for not installing out_wave, because for most 2000/XP systems it isn't needed.

[bemymonkey]

Hmmm... guess that database backup wasn't old enough, I'm stuck with the duplicates. One problem with that though - I can't delete the duplicates from the media library.

Hitting delete doesn't do anything, and neither does right-clicking and hitting Remove From Library. Nothing happens at all. Right-clicking and hitting "Physically Remove Selected..." doesn't work either, that just causes the view to refresh.

Deleting (both from the library and from the hard drive) works fine on the files that don't have duplicates...

-edit- And sometimes three versions of the file show up instead of two now. But the third one is always removable while the two others aren't. WTF?

[YtseJam]

Just like unicow.dll isn't installed anymore by default for 2K/XP, I suppose the same can be easily done for out_wave.

@YtseJam
enc_lame is the MP3 Encoder plugin (for cd ripping & transcoding), and lame_enc is the actual Lame Encoder.

What if I don't want any ripping/transcoding in my Winamp? :P

[Koopa]

What if I don't want any ripping/transcoding in my Winamp? :P

Just uncheck "MP3 Encoding" under "Audio File Support" in the installer. (should work, but I haven' tested it)

[Trent187]

When I click "Full" in the installer, Core Media Library Components subcategory in the installer options isn't automatically checked. I have to do it manually.

[DJ Egg]

@YtseJam
If you don't want enc_lame/lame_enc to be installed, uncheck "MP3 Encoding" under the "Audio Support" section of the installer options. [EDIT] Hi Koopatrooper [/EDIT]

And yes, I agree that WaveOut isn't needed under Win2k/XP, but what happens if some n00b unchecks "DirectSound Output" under the "Extra Audio Output/Effect Support" section? Then there'll be no output plugin for playback at all. So out_wave is there as a default fallback. Sure, maybe it should be that out_wave is the default fallback on Win9x and out_ds on Win2k/XP... but hey, for the sake of a few kilobytes and all the extra work it entails, is it really that important anyway?

@bemymonkey
I think you'll find that if you rt-click a dupe entry and select 'remove from library' it actually removes the original entry first, not the dupe. It should remove the dupe entry on the 2nd attempt, or at least it did for me.
All I can say is "tf it's fixed for 5.25 final".

[Koopa]

Originally posted by Trent187
When I click "Full" in the installer, Core Media Library Components subcategory in the installer options isn't automatically checked. I have to do it manually.

Yep I can confirm this. Also noted that uninstaller doesn't delete System\filereader.w5s

but what happens if some n00b unchecks "DirectSound Output" under the "Extra Audio Output/Effect Support" section?

Then DirectSound output should be installed by default on all 2000/XP systems and out_wave by defult on all Win98/Me systems.

[DJ Egg]

D'oh!

(re: installer)

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Bleh

(re: out_wave)

[YtseJam]

Originally posted by Koopatrooper
Just uncheck "MP3 Encoding" under "Audio File Support" in the installer. (should work, but I haven' tested it)

Right, my bad in this case.
Only thing left is the out_wave!

Sure, maybe it should be that out_wave is the default fallback on Win9x and out_ds on Win2k/XP... but hey, for the sake of a few kilobytes and all the extra work it entails, is it really that important anyway?

And that's actually a good idea. And yes, everything's important! Efficieny goes a long way! :P

[unknown12]

When is the genres part of the media library coming? I really need it

[djsolidsnake86]

guys, you can add in final versione the playlist sidecar?
please, please, please!

[TheUniqueTiger]

Is the RG scanning for Ogg files broken in the latest beta (b868)? I've tested MP3 files and it works fine & faster, but was disappointed to find RG scanning broken for Ogg files.
Please fix it for the next build.

PS: I've not tested any other format as I dont have any m4a/aac.

[DJ Egg]

Ahh crappenhausen. Right you are. ReplayGain analysis for .ogg is certainly broken in this build. How the hell did that happen?

[ki1ooo]

wrong bitrate in winamp 5.25

Hi,

I downloaded winamp 5.25 beta 868 recently and noticed a little bug in the bitrate calculation.

When "Show average bitrate on VBR files" is checked winamp displays for example 191kb/s on 192kb mp3´s...
VBR-mp3`s are often 1kbit short. (255kb on a 256kb file)
When the box is unchecked the problem dissapears...

Is just my mp3´s or do you guys experience the same thing?

/Johan

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[bemymonkey]

Originally posted by ki1ooo
wrong bitrate in winamp 5.25

Hi,

I downloaded winamp 5.25 beta 868 recently and noticed a little bug in the bitrate calculation.

When "Show average bitrate on VBR files" is checked winamp displays for example 191kb/s on 192kb mp3´s...
VBR-mp3`s are often 1kbit short. (255kb on a 256kb file)
When the box is unchecked the problem dissapears...

Is just my mp3´s or do you guys experience the same thing?

/Johan

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Happens on mine too... always thought it was normal though...