Details of the nice trip from America to Iraq

[eagle11]

To Reservists soldiers in the USL army
(Ex USA army)







We present to you the details of the nice trip from America to Iraq







The trip starts from USL







By Plane







To Iraq







You will have a party once you come and after that you need to have a rest as you will have a packed day after






Then you take your positions as per experience


On the air







On the ground










Or inside base for logistic support






You must be ready to receive stinger rockets








On the ground you will have more troubles


You should be ready always for the mines and RPG


















Logistic teams should be ready to receive rockets and mortars





For back home will be as per the following:


Injured & Disabled













Or by Coffins covered by USL flag






Or


If we don't find your body, we will not forget you also







Try to reserve your seat now






Maybe you will win a walk with Bush







What beautiful backing home !!!!






Have a nice trip !!!!

[squakMix]

What the hell?

[Schmeet]

wtf is this

[Bilbo Baggins]

Wow, someone took the time to make a redundant point. Congratulations for an awesome first post.

[dlinkwit27]

what is USL? I thought we were USA

[rockouthippie]

The travel brochure for soldiers never has changed much.

[watadoo]

true.

[webthing]

Watch real heroes in action













Thank God for brave heroes.

You gave everything for a chance for someone to be free.

Thank-You

[tuckerm]

Originally posted by eagle11
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Have you ever been in the army? Been in iraq? Then be quiet because you have no idea what has happend there. Until you understand i belive no one should be able to make comments on it.

[watadoo]

The war is being fought in all of our names with our tax dollars. Everyone should be able and obligated to have an opinion and a commnet, no matter which side of the argument they stand on. That is the foundation or our Republic. Democracy is messy.

[Schmeet]

Originally posted by tuckerm
Have you ever been in the army? Been in iraq? Then be quiet because you have no idea what has happend there. Until you understand i belive no one should be able to make comments on it.

Ah, is that how the politicians are spinning it to avoid criticism?

[tuckerm]

No, that's I'm spinning it. I've talked to people who have gone to iraq, it's a tottally diffrent story.

[watadoo]

I'm sure every one from soldier to civilian contractor has their own version of what is going on over there. We all have filters. We're probably 5 to 10 years from some good oral history books which will give an insight into reality on a more meta scale. Vietnam was similar.

The only constant at this point is that a helluva lot of kids from the US and fuck of a lot of Iraqis are being killed and having their lives turned upside down for no real discernible reason. The situation from what I glean from numerous first person accounts is total freaking chaos headed down a irreversible path of sectarian violence. We should have left Iraq alone. They didn't do anything to threaten or harm us. Now it's too late to do anything but watch the situation we've created implode into further violence. Our only real choice is how long do we stay put and how many more young Americans and how many more Iraqi civilians get to die for this false cause.

My guess is we'll stay there until W leaves office and leaves this mess for someone with more brains and backbone to figure out and clean up. It's been his personal style of dealing with problems his whole life.

[rockouthippie]

Originally posted by watadoo
The only constant at this point is that a helluva lot of kids from the US and fuck of a lot of Iraqis are being killed and having their lives turned upside down for no real discernible reason.

The only thing that is stopping open, bloody genocidal warfare in the street is us. You can bitch about the death toll in Iraq, but I'm afraid you'll have to wait a decade or so for the body count to catch up to the millions that Saddam killed. Unless we leave.

No discernable reason?.

How about 25 million Iraqis that should be living in peace and freedom?.

How about stopping Islamic radicalism before it can build a nuclear army to support it?.

Go back to 1930 and tell the peaceniks what their pacifism would cost in 1942......

WWI was "the war to end all wars" and it would have been that too, except that a generation of us dropped the ball. They were fat, lazy and complacent, until shit finally hit the fan.

If 65 million dead people isn't enough of a lesson for people to understand, I don't know what is.

People want to compare this war to Vietnam. It isn't. It's like 1932 America, and like then, we are sitting on our thumb because we are mostly fat and happy. 1932 Americans watched Hitler arm himself for 13 years and did nothing. They also watched Japan and it's aggression for far too long before they acted. They even sold the Japanese the steel to make the war machine they would eventually turn against us.

How different are we?.

[watadoo]

You're quite insane. You know that don't you?

to answer your bullet points:

1) Iraqis are dying at a rate of 10-1 more than under Saddam's regime.

2) who are we to determine what type of gov. 25 Iraqis want/deserve?

3) Iraq was a secular nation, Osama hated Saddam. There was no radical Islam movement in Iraq prior to us opening the gates by creating chaos. If we wanted to combat radical Islam we should have attacked Saudi Arabia by your loose hold on logic.

4) straw man argument, not relevant

5), 6).7) you're quite insane, you know that don't you?

[Mattress]

let me refute Watadoo's points here:

you're quite insane, you know that don't you?

[rockouthippie]

Originally posted by watadoo
Iraqis are dying at a rate of 10-1 more than under Saddam's regime.

Here's ONE gas attack by Saddam:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...am-trial_x.htm

180,000 dead.

Add a million dead from the Iran/Iraq war......

Then we could get into etcetera..... political assasinations, rape rooms, torture chambers, secret police.

Even with the hundred killings a day, which we aren't doing (they are killing each other), it would take decades to play catch up with Saddam.

Unless we leave, then I'm sure they could get back to killing each other with proper zeal.

[watadoo]

Dude, that 180,00 number is the prosecution attourny's ESTIMATION of the entire campaign against the Kurds. A highly specious partisan estimation during a criminal trial.

The gas attack which took place against one small village during this horrible attack on the Kurds was with gas Donald Rumasfeld sold him (remember, he was our boy back in 1987 and we gave him gas to fight the Iranians with) and killed around 3-4 thousand.

"On Nov. 5, Saddam was convicted in a separate trial in the slaying of 148 Shiite Muslims, including children, following an assassination attempt against him in the town of Dujail in 1982. He was sentenced to death by hanging." Again we didn't care as he was our boy and 100% financed and supported by your neocon pals.

Read the whole article before spouting off.

you're quite insane, you know that don't you?

[rockouthippie]

Originally posted by watadoo
Dude, that 180,00 number is the prosecution attourny's ESTIMATION of the entire campaign against the Kurds. A highly specious partisan estimation during a criminal trial.

A very short period of time in late 1987 and early 1988. It was basically one operation. Make sure you add the million children that the "Oil for Food" fiasco starved to death in the 1990s.

That doesn't really matter. Liberals to get elected want to point to this death toll as some alleged injustice. The truth is that it's business as usual in Iraq.

People are dying, because they've always died. The death toll to Iraqis now, doesn't exceed that slaughter that's already happened.

For an excuse to leave Iraq, our politicians have pointed at this death toll. The problem is ..... it was always that way.... and it's gonna get a lot worst when we leave.

External nations will feed a civil war. I even see "friendly" nations adding to the frey to support Iraqis of similar ethnicity.

We'll take our leave, possibly millions will die, but we'll sleep well knowing we can blame it on Bush.

Bush had the right vision. But he didn't find help in our politics, and his own inferiority complex kept him making his case.

When we abandon Iraq, it's not going to go away. The west will be back, except it will be infinitely more difficult to fix..... just like it was in Germany 70 years ago.