new Firmware iPod Problem

Stupifier · 28th September 2006, 06:59

I have a 60gb 5th Gen iPod and I recently upgraded to the latest firmwire. There is a new feature in this firmware that is pretty cool. Basically, when you scroll fast through Artists, Albums, genres, ect....a box comes up that allows you to jump through the list by letter.

This feature was working perfectly fine when I was using iTunes with it and everything. Than, just yesterday, I started to use Winamp to interface my iPod. I've been using winamp itself for years so I understand how to work it and stuff but I just recently started using the iPod interface.

After my first hook-up with Winamp, my iPod has had real problems with this new feature. In artists view...the box will just not show up at all. In all the other views...the box will show up but it is really buggy.

Everything else with my iPod transition went very smoothly (minus of course the album artwork stuff)

abu · 28th September 2006, 08:52

If anyone likes to donate a 5G iPod, I'll be happy to fix this issue...

Honestly, I don't have such a nice thingy, so I'll have no chance to fix it. Maybe somebody likes to step in, any programmers out there?

Koniyan · 29th September 2006, 12:42

I have 5G 60GB iPod. Firmware version is 1.2.
I think this version is same as your ipod version.
But I have no problem with new feature...

I will check over this problem.

Stupifier · 27th November 2006, 03:13

Honestly....this problem is so weird. The black box for fast scrolling by first letter appears in each view now. As you scroll each letter is now interrupted by a letter "T". I don't know why it does that.

This is an example of what is shown in the black box as you are scrolling fast through artist view and the black box appears:

"123" "T" "A" "T" "B" "T" "C"...and so on

So, I accidentally opened iTunes (which has an Empty Media Library database) while my iPod was plugged in and the thing started to sync or whatever it does. I canceled the sync and Disconnected my iPod. When I did the fast scrolling, the black box appeared and everything worked the way it should with no T's interrupting each letter through scrolling.

But once I get back into Winamp and Re-sync with Winamp, the problem comes out again.

AtmaWeapon · 27th November 2006, 10:45

I also have this problem. My guess is iTunes ignores "The" in the artist name when writing the database and ml_ipod does not, so I think maybe ml_ipod is sorting the artists correctly, but for some reason it does not ignore those artists whose name begins with "The". That's why you see the "T" between letters.

abu, I think the new nano firmware has this same feature, so maybe you don't need a 5G iPod to test this.

abu · 27th November 2006, 13:22

That's a pretty good thought, AtmaWeapon!
I have got version 1.3 of the nano firmware, that does not have this feature. Is there anything newer than that?

AtmaWeapon · 27th November 2006, 14:51

Sorry about that abu, I think I was wrong, this feature is available but in the 2G iPod nano (the new nano with the anodized aluminum enclosure). Current firmware version for this one is 1.1.1, it looks like 1G nano doesn't have this feature.

Stupifier · 27th November 2006, 14:54

Yea I think thats some pretty good logic there AtmaWeapon. I don't know what the newest firmware version of the nano is since its kinda difficult these days to find it on the Apple site. Its just very very annoying and I don't want to change my tags just for this kinda thing (I'm anal about my tags).

Until this can be investigated further, I am just syncing with Winamp and than opening iTunes and doing a half-assed sync with it. Basically, I just cancel the sync about 2-3 seconds into it (and make sure your iTunes database is empty and settings set to manual file transfer). This is temporary work-a-round to the issue that doesn't seem to affect much on the ipod. It is interesting to notice some of the sorting differences between ml_ipod and iTunes though.

AtmaWeapon · 27th November 2006, 15:16

Actually I don't use this feature a lot myself, since I listen most of my music through smart playlists, but sometimes it's useful when you're building a long On-The-Go playlist.

I will try the iTunes workaround at my friend's PC, since I uninstalled iTunes.

Ranko · 27th November 2006, 15:33

Stupifier, the original problem happened to me unrelated to ml_ipod. Unfortunately the only solution that worked for me was restoring the iPod.

abu · 27th November 2006, 18:10

Stupifier, try to set the "writeSortedIndex" setting to 0 in the iPod inifile. Does that change anything? See Hidden_settings

And I'll get a 2G Nano for Christmas...

AtmaWeapon · 27th November 2006, 19:13

abu, I gave it a try, but it doesn't work.

Congrats on your new 2G nano, I hope you get the silver one, it's way cool!

aperture01 · 27th November 2006, 20:56

hrm i have the same firmware, no problem here... i'll try it later tonight.

abu · 27th November 2006, 21:22

Quote:

Originally posted by AtmaWeapon
Congrats on your new 2G nano, I hope you get the silver one, it's way cool!

I wanted to have the 8GB, so it must be the black one. I don't understand why Apple does this strange color coding....

Stupifier · 27th November 2006, 23:04

Your advice worked Abu. THANKYOU!

I double checked it too by changing the setting back. That was definately the problem for me. Truly speaking, my .ini file didn't even have a "writeSortedIndex" entry in it. So I added it and set it to 0. After doing that and syncing, the issue was resolved.

abu · 28th November 2006, 05:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Stupifier
Truly speaking, my .ini file didn't even have a "writeSortedIndex" entry in it.

That's normal, it is one of the hidden "hacks" that are usually not in the file.

But weird, why does this help for you, but not for AtmaWeapon???

???

AtmaWeapon · 28th November 2006, 11:44

I don't know. Is it enough to change the ini file and eject/reconnect the iPod? Is it neccesary to transfer some songs (so database can be rewritten) for this option to take effect?

AtmaWeapon · 28th November 2006, 12:01

Quote:

Is it neccesary to transfer some songs (so database can be rewritten) for this option to take effect?

Apparently, yes. I transfered some songs and it worked. Did you need to do that, Stupifier?

abu · 28th November 2006, 13:00

Quote:

Originally posted by AtmaWeapon
I don't know. Is it enough to change the ini file and eject/reconnect the iPod? Is it neccesary to transfer some songs (so database can be rewritten) for this option to take effect?

I think the best way would be this:

Close Winamp
Connect the iPod
Edit the ini-file
Start Winamp
Eject button in Winamp

This way, no transfer should be necessary.

abu · 18th December 2006, 15:05

Quote:

Originally posted by Stupifier
Honestly....this problem is so weird. The black box for fast scrolling by first letter appears in each view now. As you scroll each letter is now interrupted by a letter "T". I don't know why it does that.

This is an example of what is shown in the black box as you are scrolling fast through artist view and the black box appears:

"123" "T" "A" "T" "B" "T" "C"...and so on

This is fixed now with 2.00p26. No need for the "writeSortedIndex" hack any more.

Stupifier · 19th December 2006, 00:35

THANKYOU SO MUCH! I'll have to change that too.

Stupifier · 21st December 2006, 05:16

Quick question about this Abu.....is it possible to have the whole sorting thing ignore articles (such as 'The' and 'a') as the first word.

Basically, plenty of artists' names begin with 'the' or 'a' and it isn't exactly ideal to scroll through craploads of 'the' artist in the the 'T' section. iTunes fixes this and I was just curious if it wouldn't be too much trouble.

abu · 21st December 2006, 05:34

Actually what I just did is taking this "The" handling out of the code, because it caused the wrong "T" in the black box.
So iTunes sorts "The gap" under "G", but still when scrolling no wrong "T" appears in the black box?

AtmaWeapon · 21st December 2006, 14:19

That's correct. As Stupifier says, this is true for "The" and "A" (I don't know if there's another word iTunes ignores).

abu · 21st December 2006, 15:25

I digged a bit deeper. It's not very easy to do. iTunes puts a secondary artist info into the database, just for that. And it is in a weird format.

So I guess for the moment we have to live with that. maybe if I get a bigger iPod some day, it annoys me so much that I'll spend the hours to fix that...

Stupifier · 21st December 2006, 15:39

Yea....from your point of view this fix would be kind of trivial. No problem. Its not that big of a deal

abu · 21st December 2006, 17:56

Not trivial at all. As far as I can see, this only works for the artists list (with iTunes), not the songs or albums. Can you confirm that?

Stupifier · 21st December 2006, 22:17

Yes....that is confirmed. When I used iTunes I remember that for sure.

abu · 8th January 2007, 18:38

Try 2.01p07...

28th September 2006, 06:59	#1
Stupifier Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 596	new Firmware iPod Problem I have a 60gb 5th Gen iPod and I recently upgraded to the latest firmwire. There is a new feature in this firmware that is pretty cool. Basically, when you scroll fast through Artists, Albums, genres, ect....a box comes up that allows you to jump through the list by letter. This feature was working perfectly fine when I was using iTunes with it and everything. Than, just yesterday, I started to use Winamp to interface my iPod. I've been using winamp itself for years so I understand how to work it and stuff but I just recently started using the iPod interface. After my first hook-up with Winamp, my iPod has had real problems with this new feature. In artists view...the box will just not show up at all. In all the other views...the box will show up but it is really buggy. Everything else with my iPod transition went very smoothly (minus of course the album artwork stuff)

28th September 2006, 08:52	#2
abu mlipod moderator (Senior Member) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,457	If anyone likes to donate a 5G iPod, I'll be happy to fix this issue... Honestly, I don't have such a nice thingy, so I'll have no chance to fix it. Maybe somebody likes to step in, any programmers out there? WinAmp Pro 5.5 with ml_iPod 3.10 + dev.patches (download it) ml_iPod documentation Wiki - ml_iPod FAQ - search ml_iPod forum - iPhone/iTouch - Found a bug? Donations to support the ml_iPod project can be done HERE

27th November 2006, 13:22	#6
abu mlipod moderator (Senior Member) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,457	That's a pretty good thought, AtmaWeapon! I have got version 1.3 of the nano firmware, that does not have this feature. Is there anything newer than that? WinAmp Pro 5.5 with ml_iPod 3.10 + dev.patches (download it) ml_iPod documentation Wiki - ml_iPod FAQ - search ml_iPod forum - iPhone/iTouch - Found a bug? Donations to support the ml_iPod project can be done HERE

27th November 2006, 18:10	#11
abu mlipod moderator (Senior Member) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,457	Stupifier, try to set the "writeSortedIndex" setting to 0 in the iPod inifile. Does that change anything? See Hidden_settings And I'll get a 2G Nano for Christmas... WinAmp Pro 5.5 with ml_iPod 3.10 + dev.patches (download it) ml_iPod documentation Wiki - ml_iPod FAQ - search ml_iPod forum - iPhone/iTouch - Found a bug? Donations to support the ml_iPod project can be done HERE

21st December 2006, 05:34	#23
abu mlipod moderator (Senior Member) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,457	Actually what I just did is taking this "The" handling out of the code, because it caused the wrong "T" in the black box. So iTunes sorts "The gap" under "G", but still when scrolling no wrong "T" appears in the black box? WinAmp Pro 5.5 with ml_iPod 3.10 + dev.patches (download it) ml_iPod documentation Wiki - ml_iPod FAQ - search ml_iPod forum - iPhone/iTouch - Found a bug? Donations to support the ml_iPod project can be done HERE

29th September 2006, 12:42	#3
Koniyan Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hyogo,Japan Posts: 7	I have 5G 60GB iPod. Firmware version is 1.2. I think this version is same as your ipod version. But I have no problem with new feature... I will check over this problem.

27th November 2006, 03:13	#4
Stupifier Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 596	Honestly....this problem is so weird. The black box for fast scrolling by first letter appears in each view now. As you scroll each letter is now interrupted by a letter "T". I don't know why it does that. This is an example of what is shown in the black box as you are scrolling fast through artist view and the black box appears: "123" "T" "A" "T" "B" "T" "C"...and so on So, I accidentally opened iTunes (which has an Empty Media Library database) while my iPod was plugged in and the thing started to sync or whatever it does. I canceled the sync and Disconnected my iPod. When I did the fast scrolling, the black box appeared and everything worked the way it should with no T's interrupting each letter through scrolling. But once I get back into Winamp and Re-sync with Winamp, the problem comes out again.

27th November 2006, 10:45	#5
AtmaWeapon Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 66	I also have this problem. My guess is iTunes ignores "The" in the artist name when writing the database and ml_ipod does not, so I think maybe ml_ipod is sorting the artists correctly, but for some reason it does not ignore those artists whose name begins with "The". That's why you see the "T" between letters. abu, I think the new nano firmware has this same feature, so maybe you don't need a 5G iPod to test this.

27th November 2006, 14:51	#7
AtmaWeapon Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 66	Sorry about that abu, I think I was wrong, this feature is available but in the 2G iPod nano (the new nano with the anodized aluminum enclosure). Current firmware version for this one is 1.1.1, it looks like 1G nano doesn't have this feature.

27th November 2006, 14:54	#8
Stupifier Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 596	Yea I think thats some pretty good logic there AtmaWeapon. I don't know what the newest firmware version of the nano is since its kinda difficult these days to find it on the Apple site. Its just very very annoying and I don't want to change my tags just for this kinda thing (I'm anal about my tags). Until this can be investigated further, I am just syncing with Winamp and than opening iTunes and doing a half-assed sync with it. Basically, I just cancel the sync about 2-3 seconds into it (and make sure your iTunes database is empty and settings set to manual file transfer). This is temporary work-a-round to the issue that doesn't seem to affect much on the ipod. It is interesting to notice some of the sorting differences between ml_ipod and iTunes though.

27th November 2006, 15:16	#9
AtmaWeapon Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 66	Actually I don't use this feature a lot myself, since I listen most of my music through smart playlists, but sometimes it's useful when you're building a long On-The-Go playlist. I will try the iTunes workaround at my friend's PC, since I uninstalled iTunes.

27th November 2006, 15:33	#10
Ranko Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18	Stupifier, the original problem happened to me unrelated to ml_ipod. Unfortunately the only solution that worked for me was restoring the iPod.

27th November 2006, 19:13	#12
AtmaWeapon Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 66	abu, I gave it a try, but it doesn't work. Congrats on your new 2G nano, I hope you get the silver one, it's way cool!

27th November 2006, 20:56	#13
aperture01 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 45	hrm i have the same firmware, no problem here... i'll try it later tonight.

27th November 2006, 23:04	#15
Stupifier Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 596	Your advice worked Abu. THANKYOU! I double checked it too by changing the setting back. That was definately the problem for me. Truly speaking, my .ini file didn't even have a "writeSortedIndex" entry in it. So I added it and set it to 0. After doing that and syncing, the issue was resolved.

28th November 2006, 11:44	#17
AtmaWeapon Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 66	I don't know. Is it enough to change the ini file and eject/reconnect the iPod? Is it neccesary to transfer some songs (so database can be rewritten) for this option to take effect?

19th December 2006, 00:35	#21
Stupifier Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 596	THANKYOU SO MUCH! I'll have to change that too.

21st December 2006, 05:16	#22
Stupifier Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 596	Quick question about this Abu.....is it possible to have the whole sorting thing ignore articles (such as 'The' and 'a') as the first word. Basically, plenty of artists' names begin with 'the' or 'a' and it isn't exactly ideal to scroll through craploads of 'the' artist in the the 'T' section. iTunes fixes this and I was just curious if it wouldn't be too much trouble.

21st December 2006, 14:19	#24
AtmaWeapon Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 66	That's correct. As Stupifier says, this is true for "The" and "A" (I don't know if there's another word iTunes ignores).

21st December 2006, 15:25	#25
abu mlipod moderator (Senior Member) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,457	I digged a bit deeper. It's not very easy to do. iTunes puts a secondary artist info into the database, just for that. And it is in a weird format. So I guess for the moment we have to live with that. maybe if I get a bigger iPod some day, it annoys me so much that I'll spend the hours to fix that... WinAmp Pro 5.5 with ml_iPod 3.10 + dev.patches (download it) ml_iPod documentation Wiki - ml_iPod FAQ - search ml_iPod forum - iPhone/iTouch - Found a bug? Donations to support the ml_iPod project can be done HERE

21st December 2006, 15:39	#26
Stupifier Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 596	Yea....from your point of view this fix would be kind of trivial. No problem. Its not that big of a deal

21st December 2006, 17:56	#27
abu mlipod moderator (Senior Member) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,457	Not trivial at all. As far as I can see, this only works for the artists list (with iTunes), not the songs or albums. Can you confirm that? WinAmp Pro 5.5 with ml_iPod 3.10 + dev.patches (download it) ml_iPod documentation Wiki - ml_iPod FAQ - search ml_iPod forum - iPhone/iTouch - Found a bug? Donations to support the ml_iPod project can be done HERE

21st December 2006, 22:17	#28
Stupifier Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 596	Yes....that is confirmed. When I used iTunes I remember that for sure.

8th January 2007, 18:38	#29
abu mlipod moderator (Senior Member) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,457	Try 2.01p07... WinAmp Pro 5.5 with ml_iPod 3.10 + dev.patches (download it) ml_iPod documentation Wiki - ml_iPod FAQ - search ml_iPod forum - iPhone/iTouch - Found a bug? Donations to support the ml_iPod project can be done HERE

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