Skin Rights

rockouthippie · 24th November 2013, 21:05

If you are using the Freedom 3 copyleft didn't you give that permission already? I do agree. You can't just dump big chunks of this web and repost it somewhere else without examining owner rights.

But there are more problems. I think the current thinking around this, not recognizing all the intellectual property rights bills AOL was paying for to give us Winamp, is just waiting for a "second fail". Unless MS buys it. But you know MS would screw it up bad.

One thing is certain. We cannot redistribute the final binary of Winamp because AOL doesn't own key technologies in it. They couldn't "open source" or GPL Winamp if they wanted to.

Firefox has been using an "end run around" to play html5 video. But the consumer paid the codec licenses which are now part of Windows 7. But Winamp isn't written to do this. Shoutcast isn't written to do this. And I think if we dig into the Windows 7 license, we did not buy the rights to broadcast stuff with it for commercial use. That would come with Windows server.

There are a lot of people who want 2 bits.

Icecast anyone?

My thinking is that if you are broadcasting using the "free" (AOL paid) AAC license, you're invalid Dec 20. If you bought the MP3 license, you're probably good to go for a bit longer.

But the thing is. We don't have shoutcast, we don't have a YP, we don't have a Winamp binary. To skin a player that no one can distribute?

Why is AOL just not firing everyone and offering the final binary forever? Because they have to PAY to give you Winamp and they aren't willing anymore.

I'm sure AOL would probably like to shed Winamp cleanly to Microsoft and Microsoft is now trying to figure out how to get all the people in the Winamp food chain paid. Or trying to kill some of them off. Or something.

If AOL owned everything in Winamp this would be simpler. They don't.

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24th November 2013, 21:05	#2
rockouthippie Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 11,019	If you are using the Freedom 3 copyleft didn't you give that permission already? I do agree. You can't just dump big chunks of this web and repost it somewhere else without examining owner rights. But there are more problems. I think the current thinking around this, not recognizing all the intellectual property rights bills AOL was paying for to give us Winamp, is just waiting for a "second fail". Unless MS buys it. But you know MS would screw it up bad. One thing is certain. We cannot redistribute the final binary of Winamp because AOL doesn't own key technologies in it. They couldn't "open source" or GPL Winamp if they wanted to. Firefox has been using an "end run around" to play html5 video. But the consumer paid the codec licenses which are now part of Windows 7. But Winamp isn't written to do this. Shoutcast isn't written to do this. And I think if we dig into the Windows 7 license, we did not buy the rights to broadcast stuff with it for commercial use. That would come with Windows server. There are a lot of people who want 2 bits. Icecast anyone? My thinking is that if you are broadcasting using the "free" (AOL paid) AAC license, you're invalid Dec 20. If you bought the MP3 license, you're probably good to go for a bit longer. But the thing is. We don't have shoutcast, we don't have a YP, we don't have a Winamp binary. To skin a player that no one can distribute? Why is AOL just not firing everyone and offering the final binary forever? Because they have to PAY to give you Winamp and they aren't willing anymore. I'm sure AOL would probably like to shed Winamp cleanly to Microsoft and Microsoft is now trying to figure out how to get all the people in the Winamp food chain paid. Or trying to kill some of them off. Or something. If AOL owned everything in Winamp this would be simpler. They don't.