Old 26th November 2013, 23:57   #1
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1001 Skins

Nearly, complete...now.

I am working on the plugin database, data models and contexts now. You will be able to search, update, insert and rate all skins, plugins, templates and etc on 1001.

It has been a long hard road and I want to say...whew. Thank goodness the majority of the grunt work is behind me.

I still have a ways to go but, the largest part is already done....of note: Any registered member of 1001 will first have to re-register on the forums and then asked to have their original 1001 account linked to their forum profile. (by verification of user details not made public).

Eventually, you will be able to link your original account (if you can verify it through automated steps to your forum profile; which will enable you to upload skins, plugins, templates and more).

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Old 28th November 2013, 07:48   #3
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Downloads are complete, logins are working and just finished file handling services for skins, plugins, templates and etc.

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Old 28th November 2013, 09:21   #4
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Is there a way to get my old account linked to a new one?

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that will be possible; yes. At present, I've built the basic system but as of yet have not built in the linking system.

For the time being you can email me directly your old account details
(your email) and I will be able to link them manually....though, there will be an automated system to do recover your old account and link to your new.

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Old 30th November 2013, 06:57   #6
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garetjax:

I really appreciate your work and am looking forward to future updates of your site.

Though, I think 'Designs' in the navigation bar should be relabeled to 'Skins', so it would be more easy to find skins without hovering with the mouse over the navigation bar, but maybe that's me only.

Since I don't know, how you plan to present plugins in future (show compatible Winamp version etc), I can only give the tip, that I would not import ALL Winamp.com Plugins without testing.

E.g. installing the FLAC decoder from Winamp.com over the Nullsoft version will prevent users from using features like the format converter, all features of the library or the unified tag editor. Justin's old out_mp3 crashed for me since Winamp 5.2, if I can remember correctly. Most plugins still work somehow with newer Winamp releases, but some really love it to crash. A few plugins are really so old, that they produce a lot of issues/crashes with recent Winamp Versions, some even don't work correctly with Winamp 2.9x (CD Reader for example).

Don't take it as critics, it's only meant as tip, I've seen a lot of postings in Tech Support because people installed very old plugins from Winamp.com.

Keep on your good work! And if you need help, just lemme know, I will help whenever time allows it.

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Thanks...


Here is some insight and info about my future plans with regards to 1001.

1. Designs - As the site will host winamp skins, winamp plugins, winamp visualizations, website templates, desktop styles, desktop wallpapers, ui interfaces and a slew of other options; I felt it necessary to include all of these future categories of art into one singular menu item.

2. Plugins - I've decided to allow plugins to be uploaded; however I will not be doing a mass upload of content. I will allow plugins to be uploaded to the site with screenshot as a requirement and version specific categorization. (i.e. Winamp Version 2+, Winamp Version 3+, etc)

3. Visualizations - In regards to visualizations, these will have the same configuration settings as plugins and will require a screenshot.

4. Site Templates - Screenshot, PSD and Cut HTML.

5. UI Templates/Designs - Screenshot, PSD.

6. Forums - the forums are a bit of a problem, as I have been building it there have been many attempts to create a forum system that relied on the original data...however, I've scrapped it and created a forum system that is unique and will link an old member to a new forum account. While this will be manual it will assure that the system is 'clean'.

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Old 1st December 2013, 06:21   #8
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Thank you for your work.
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Old 1st December 2013, 10:37   #9
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Re 1001.com I know this is a huge ask but have you considered reviews/ratings system?
This would reconnect people with the skins/plugins again and give back that community feel that was once there with the Winamp website and motivate skinners and plugin makers to become involved more.
edit: I can see there is a rating system but buggered if I can figure out how to rate? Is it temporarily switched off maybe?
If I click a skin it just goes straight to download.
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Old 1st December 2013, 23:01   #10
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Thanks to you, and everyone else trying to make this transition as smooth as possible.
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Current Progression (Uploads)



Whats hidden under that Category...lol

App Version - so, what am I allowing/disallowing. If it's a skin of any type, plugin of any sort (-exe), visual, template, psd etc packaged in a zip file...I don't care what you upload as long as it scans correctly by antivirus and can be 'unarchived'.

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Old 2nd December 2013, 02:26   #12
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djpete1959 - Yes there is a rating/review system that is 'setup' and nearly complete. However, the revamping of the authentication system comes first...until I'm complete there I do not want to enable it. At present while I receive the 'click actions' I am not storing them.

There is essentially, 3 Ratings that make up each submissions rating.

SSAC = {SUPER SECRET AUTOMATED CALCULATION}

1. User Ratings + Anonymous Ratings + {SSAC}
2. Reviewer Ratings + Admin Ratings + {SSAC}
3. Peer Ratings + (1 & 2) + {SSAC}

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ripper. keep it up!!
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Old 7th December 2013, 19:04   #14
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Uploads and Account System now Live.

There may be a need to update a few things...but, overall should be a working solution. Now, I will be working on the rating/review system.

Eventually, Moderators/Admin of the site will be able to select Featured Designs, Standout Designs and do small write-ups of the design.

Ratings, will be allowed across the site by any user anon/logged in users...though, anon users will be only allowed a single vote based on system connection (encoded to the cookie)

Comments while neat are probably not going to be available for awhile...

A Report Design feature will be enabled at the same time as the reviews. Reporting will mark the design for removal...pending admin review.

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Old 7th December 2013, 20:28   #15
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Do you want me to do some graphics for 1001? Just some headers and miscellaneous gfx fitting some of the sizes I see you´re using.. (right now I can think of.. "like this" & "more news" & search buttons, "featured.." / "latest" texts..). Or you have already planned how they´ll look?
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I don't...but, have been thinking about allowing 'site theme uploads.' ~

Your more than welcome to create some...

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Cool, any reference where I could look at? (I mean, about graphics requirements, like size, colors, css if needed, etc). Have you based on an already existing theme? Can you point me its original design? (go PM if needed)
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Original Design - By Me.

There is no other reference...Though, alot has changed from the concept artwork.


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Updated Site

1. Revamped Login System
2. Completed Rating System
3. Completed Disqus Integration
4. Social Sharing
5. Minimal Skin Management (remove/upload) (for now)
6. Updated Authentication System
7. Member Management
8. Blog - New Blog Setup
9. Features all over the place....

More soon...

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Skin your skins !!

Hi to all !
As an amateur of beautiful "antique" skins, I have always been amazed to see that most skins which were regarded as works of art were in fact only scrap !!
Take most Winamp 2 and Winamp 3 skins, only 3 windows are skinned !! Is this a finished & crafted work of art, such as an Yves St. Laurent piece of garment, or a scrap ??
Even the early skins of GaretJax aren't finished ! Same with Peacekeeper, and all the skinners of that generation !

Monaux-- who passes as a top artist-- doesn't have a single skin with more than 3 windows skinned (main, Eq., Playlist) !! That's why all his skins are forgotten !! Same problem with most of the "Alien Assault" series (2 skins are fully skinned) and the beautiful "Bionica" series, where NONE is fully skinned ! WHAT WAS WRONG WITH THE SKINNERS??
On the other hand, take Music2u4U, ALL his skins are fully skinned ! Same with Blueslaad, except a few of his early skins. Same with the WOLF series & the MetrixMetalDream series, the Kalak Amplifier & the Strawberry Lambic series! ALL fully skinned ! And would Milk be Milk or BlackInk, BlackerInk, Decadence, Shadowmore, the Arora Efex series, would they still be known today if they hadn't been fully skinned ??
Deviantart isn't the best place to find quality, decent work... I found a download of "Sophia" by Peacemaker, unskinned, but on Winamp.com, the same "Sophia" was fully skinned !!
How to explain this?? And I can tell you it's day & night if you want to have the viz window on your desktop or on your 55" plasma TV screen !!

Winamp.com may have had its shortcomings, but they would present only fully skinned skins ! Deviantart is famous for many things, including his horrible .ZIP format !! And if there are 2 skins in the .zip file, you can't change it into a .wal or .wsz file... then you're stuck ! The days are gone when we could fool around with hundreds of tiny pieces of skins !!
And regarding Garetjax 's new site, it offers anything, including the tackiest "girly" skins ! Skinned or unskinned, nobody knows untill they have been downloaded & then you have to delete them, not just in your "downloads" folder but also in your skin folder where their name will have registered !!
"Energy Amplifer" is seen everywhere, because it's fully skinned, and most people see a skin as a beautiful decor on their desktop, they don't care (rightly) if it's usable or not !
With our laptops fully equipped with surround 5.1 sound, we don't care if a skin is usable, as long as it's awesome - looking & can display a nice viz !
Check Necromesh (Peacemaker), Tiger Brushed (blue) and "Blue Sacrem" (Unknown) !!
Sorry for rambling... have been tasting wine in Napa Valley !

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Hi ElectricFox,

Winamp has been around a long time. Back in the day, most users only used the main player, EQ, and playlist windows and ran the visualizer full-screen (many still do).

So there is a good reason why the old skins are what they are (why spend time and resources on something that would not be used). Users ignoring upgrades and additional features is what lead to AOL deciding to drop Winamp.

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Without wanting to turn this into a flame war...or something else entirely.

I will answer to what I know:

Early skins by me and many others were built for the version of Winamp they were released to. This being said, many early skinners/skins where published without said windows as a result of them not being there at the beginning or changing as time marched on. You can ask authors of your favorite skins to be revisited and updated to work with the latest version. Though, honestly your asking for a lot; An example of this would be one of my earlier skins would require me to download unzip and rework the skin to match todays standards which would in no way guarantee that it will work with the next iteration or newest window to show up skinned. A never ending update progress would ensue requiring continually updated graphics designed for a continually upgraded application.

Hence, the hesitancy by so many to invest freely time to make an update. Those of us that give out our 'skins' published for others to use. Not for monetary gain, not for some sense of fame. We attempted in many cases to create something that we 'WANTED' to use ourselves at the time; (not all were due to this but, a great many).

Our work and our devotion to this platform made it continually used in part because, we kept designing for it. Unfortunately, past ownership and problems with those updates to more or less degree required so much work, that over time the very people your poo-pooing now gave up; as it is not an easy thing to make something and within a short time it be no longer working or complete with a new addition.

Or so much effort went into making them; only to release and be torn down by supposedly constructive criticism like yours.

In regards to 1001skins...I don't put undo requirements on user submissions for this very reason. What people feel like submitting to me is their work and something they built that they like. They share it with you; not asking anything of you...and publish it to me so that you and others like you might enjoy what they made.

If there is a problem with the skin you downloaded; IMHO you paid me or them nothing, what real reason would they have to cater to your needs or better yet, the moment you pay for the web host, databases, and development of a website...and then host Winamp skins or some such other artistic content...you can have whatever rules you want on those submissions.

Until then of course, don't complain when you are given something freely without advertisements, without paying for it and certainly with some semblance of understanding that over time all things change and not everything can be your way.

My rant being done...I will do whatever I can to make 1001skins a great place to find, download and use skins.

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Of note:

If I were to charge users to get the skins; then I'd have 0 users downloaded them and even worse have 0 people uploading them. But, on another not I could then put arbitrary requirements on the user. My only requirements of a 'SKIN' is that it work and it have with regards to Winamp skins at least the main skinned; For the past 18 Years 1001Skins required Main -> EQ -> Playlist at a minimum. As those were the default windows when 1001skins was first created. Some time later Winamp added skin support for the AVS, Media Browser, and more...though, not at the beginning.

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Hi garetjax,

Thank you for your comments and for providing a depository for old and new Winamp skins.

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No worries; Thank you.

I know 1001skins will continually be the place to host art, skins, etc ... even ones that some people may find tasteless, objectionable or even not complete.

FYI: They are complete to the person that made them.

I felt compelled to say the following and the former as I get hundreds of the very same messages over and over again.

I pay currently about 100.00 USD a month for hosting 3,642 Skins, 1943 Updates (to skins), 129 Pages, a Blog and a multitude of controls which are built by yours truly in the free time that I have after working a 40-60 Hour work week, having a family and working a secondary job. I am not excusing anything nor am I taking blame for anything. I just know that many other people wouldn't devote money, time or effort into anything without any possibility of reward, money or etc. Traffic wise, 1001skins gets around 80K - 160K Users daily, around 1.5 TB worth of download traffic (daily), and +/- 60K revisits.

I do this because, I have been designing Winamp skins since the beginning, I felt it worthwhile to invest my time, effort and money into something that has always given me joy. So, much so that I believe (rightfully so) that I need to make sure to preserve in my way the spirit of what was started so many years ago by an intrepid developer that believed, in the hacker spirit and the share and share alike ideals (though, he offered the product 100% complete for free; he also asked that if you like it to buy it: thank you justinf; thank you.)

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I felt compelled to say the following and the former as I get hundreds of the very same messages over and over again.
The mind is a terrible thing to waste. With a little thought and a historical perspective, if should be oblivious why many things are the way they are. But alas, human nature is what it is. Too many people are simply too greedy and selfish.

Of course, it's all relative. The appropriate amount of self interest and greed is a good thing, imo. While too much of anything is usually bad for the individuals and those around them. Just saying ...

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