What does this mean for NSIS?

[zedzedbeta5]

What does the latest announcement here mean for the installation platform? NSIS is by far the best out there and I would hate to see it disappear.

http://www.winamp.com/media-player/en

[Yathosho]

for nsis it means nothing, just for the forums. would be lovely if we'd get access to all the posts, but i doubt that will happen. nsis has been open sourced for the longest time and the project (and wiki) is currently on sourceforge.

i'm currently on and off working on a new website for nsis and my suggestion would be to integrate a forum. waiting for kichik to show up on chat to discuss this with him.

[Dygear]

I'm more then happy to host the forums for this on my servers, if anyone wants to take this community and take it somewhere else, I'm happy to help do that. I also happen to have a vBulletin license. Just shoot me an email Dygear@gmail.com.

[GDILord]

Hi

http://www.winamp.com/media-player/en

Winamp.com and associated web services will no longer be available past December 20, 2013. Additionally, Winamp Media players will no longer be available for download. Please download the latest version before that date. See release notes for latest improvements to this last release.
Thanks for supporting the Winamp community for over 15 years.

What effect will the closing of Winamp and have on NSIS?

Thanks
GDI Lord

[xbarns]

Hi everyone,

i just saw this message http://www.winamp.com/media-player/en.

What will this mean for NSIS and the forum?

x

[Yathosho]

Originally Posted by GDILord

Hi

http://www.winamp.com/media-player/en

What effect will the closing of Winamp and have on NSIS?d

why should it have any effect on nsis? afaik the only actual link to nullsoft/aol is that justin frankel was behind nsis 1.x, ever since 2.x came out it's been in the hand of the community and hosted on sourceforge.

i've been wondering about the legal situation before, e.g. whether nsis is legally entitled to use the name "nullsoft". maybe this shutdown is a good occasion to cut all ties and give a new meaning to n in nsis.

Originally Posted by xbarns

What will this mean for NSIS and the forum?

according to that notice, the forum will be shut down. imho that's shame regarding all the knowledge stored here. personally i don't find it important to carry on in the shape of a forum. i wouldn't mind using github (there are thoughts moving nsis to github) or sourceforge. there's also a lot of activity going on at stack overflow.

[Anders]

For the project itself it means nothing since everything else is hosted on sourceforge.

We will move to a different forum, we just have to decide where to go. And as Yathosho says, you can also ask on stackoverflow...

[Yathosho]

Originally Posted by Anders

We will move to a different forum, we just have to decide where to go

i'd just stay away from forum hosters to prevent another lock-in or try to find one where that won't happen. is it possible to install one via sourceforge websites (like the wiki)?

[MSG]

My two cents worth: The NSIS forums have always offered an extremely low-threshold gateway to the community. Apart from the enormous amount of knowledge available here, which in my opinion is worth some effort to try and preserve, I believe it would be of great benefit to keep something as open as these forums available for (future) users.

While saying that, I do realize that the amount of work required isn't going to get done by itself, and I don't have the luxury of being able to offer hours to help. So I just hope some other people will be willing to jump in.

Practical question: Did anyone approach the Winamp webmasters for a copy of the NSIS forums database?

[T.Slappy]

I agree with Msg - what about simply copying NSIS forum database and starting it on other server?
I want to help with this, can anybody find out what is required for such action?

[Anders]

It is unknown at this point if we can get a dump of this subforum but from what I heard we should not get our hopes up.

Somebody could of course use wget in spider mode on http://forums.winamp.com/archive/index.php/f-65.html and host it somewhere so it can be indexed by google

[Yathosho]

too bad the archive view doesn't denote code-blocks, otherwise it would've been easy to add a syntax highlighter to the scraped pages

[Yathosho]

Originally Posted by Anders

Somebody could of course use wget in spider mode on http://forums.winamp.com/archive/index.php/f-65.html and host it somewhere so it can be indexed by google

Somebody just did -> http://nsis-dev.github.io/NSIS-Forums

[Anders]

Originally Posted by Yathosho

Somebody just did -> http://nsis-dev.github.io/NSIS-Forums

Great!

I was going to see if I could write a script to do it, I believe the printer friendly version of a thread will preserve code blocks...

[Yathosho]

the printer friendly version also has the advantage of preserving links and quote levels. on the downside, there's pagination. i'll see what i can do, ultimately it would probably best to have all the data in a json or xml file. i'll see what i can do.

[Anders]

Yes the posts per page parameter seems to be limited to 40

[JasonFriday13]

Bummer, though it already looks like people are working to backup the entire NSIS part of the forum. I sure hope the forum continues somewhere else (in one form or another), not having a forum will make it harder to move forward with development and bugfixing, and of course getting help and giving help. I've been a member since 31 May 2005, and version 2.06 was the first version I ever used (insert coding progression story here, I'm working with the source code now).

I'm actually very lucky I saw this, I've been inactive on this forum for the last few years up until about 7 weeks ago. Once the website shuts down I'll have to update all my plugins and my wiki page to remove (or change) all the links to this forum.

I know it's early days but has anyone put their hand up to host a new NSIS forum yet?

[Yathosho]

Okay guys, I'm always finished. Since I cannot preview in print view, allow me post these tests here.

First code:

code:
This is code

Second HTML:

This is HTML

Third PHP:

PHP Code:

This is PHP 


End of tests

[JasonFriday13]

Looks good to me .

[Yathosho]

always? almost!

[Yathosho]

okay, it seems like the test-run for the avs-forum was successful. if anyone notices anomalies in quotes, code-blocks or long threads, please report.

the only difference for the nsis-forum will be an additional syntax highlighter for nsis scripts.

[Anders]

Thank you so much Yathosho for doing this, I'm sure a archive of this forum is going to be helpful for a lot of people in the years to come...

[MSG]

I second that. Thanks a lot, Yathosho!

[Yathosho]

need to get home to complete this, but i've put up a preview. the highlighter isn't perfect yet, but i can work on that later (or you can contribute here).

[aerDNA]

Kudos. It would've been a disaster if over a decade's worth of posts went into oblivion. The forum is not just the largest and most diverse NSIS knowledgebase; for a community-based project like this, it's more than that. Having the community's history erased is a blow you can't really compensate for. I'm exaggerating just a little bit, if I'm exaggerating at all.

[Yathosho]

okay, let's go

http://nsis-dev.github.io/NSIS-Forums/

let me know if you notice anything fishy

[JasonFriday13]

Looks good, the only bit that's different is the layout of the root page where all the topics are listed. Well done on the backup .

The chances of getting all my pm's back is probably nil but since most of the work is done now I guess it doesn't matter, it's testing and bugfixing I'm doing now.

[roytam1]

Originally Posted by Yathosho

okay, let's go

http://nsis-dev.github.io/NSIS-Forums/

let me know if you notice anything fishy

in f-65.html there is a mistake:
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="\\netdna.bootstrapcdn.com/bootswatch/3.0.1/readable/bootstrap.min.css" /><!-- HTML5 shim and Respond.js IE8 support of HTML5 elements and media queries -->

you can't use "\\" but "//" here.

[Yathosho]

Originally Posted by roytam1

in f-65.html there is a mistake:
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="\\netdna.bootstrapcdn.com/bootswatch/3.0.1/readable/bootstrap.min.css" /><!-- HTML5 shim and Respond.js IE8 support of HTML5 elements and media queries -->

you can't use "\\" but "//" here.

yeah, i noticed after jason mentioned it. thanks!


i guess, i'll also have to think about something better for the pagination. looks terrible with so many pages!

also playing around with a theme-switcher right now

[Yathosho]

changed the pagination, but unfortunately it sometimes takes longer than 10 minutes for the changes to go live

[MSG]

How much effort would it take to parse posts for forum links, and replace them with their new URLs?

[Yathosho]

Originally Posted by MSG

How much effort would it take to parse posts for forum links, and replace them with their new URLs?

i've been thinking about that. a regex pattern with nearly 20,000 thread ids could be tough though. at the moment all forum links have a internet archive-prefix.

i also noticed some minor troubles with posts containing tags for php code. seems like the syntax changed over different versions of vbulletin. will fix those issues over time.

my main problem right now is that i'm not using a scripting language for all these operations. it was easier testing my regex patterns using sublime text, so in the end i sticked with that. search & replace with 5-8 pattners is relatively little work, but of course a scripted solution would be nice to have.

[SonicSD]

Well i know it's not really related to NSIS itself but was just curious as i couldn't really find an info on this.

As the Winamp shutdown also affects the NSIS section of this Forum.

Is there already a replacement Forum for NSIS?

Or will it perhaps continue on Winamp Enthusiasts Forum ?

[Anders]

We will probably move to the cockos forum...

[SonicSD]

Originally Posted by Anders

We will probably move to the cockos forum...

Thanks, seems like i missed this thread...

Is this the forum?

[JasonFriday13]

There's no thread about it. http://www.cockos.com is run by the same guy who created Winamp and NSIS (among other bits of software), which is why it's a great option to move over there.

[SonicSD]

Originally Posted by JasonFriday13

There's no thread about it. http://www.cockos.com is run by the same guy who created Winamp and NSIS (among other bits of software), which is why it's a great option to move over there.

Oh ok. Thanks for clearing that up.
That makes sense and i would say the logical conclusion. (hopefully)

[SugarD-x]

If you guys are interested in the movement, a couple of the product developers also created this new site:
http://www.winampforum.com/

If you talk to DrO, I'm sure he'd be willing to give you a section there. It has been gaining a lot of popularity in the past month or so.

[Yathosho]

So we're saved then remains as-is? Okay.

In the meantime, I started a community on Gittip which you can join (we need 150 people for further benefits)

[T.Slappy]

Hmm i joined gittip but I am the only one there + you

For few days NSIS forums were not accessible for me but today they are working fine.

Does anyone know what is happening?