mp3pro support

willywonka · 16th October 2001, 16:40

will wa3 directly support mp3pro? or will i have to use a crappy thirdparty plugin??

NeoRenegade · 16th October 2001, 16:47

Every crappy format deserves nothing better than a crappy third-party plug-in.

Wake up. MP3 is better than MP3pro.

willywonka · 16th October 2001, 16:58

i was not asking for your brilliant opinions in wheter or not the format is any good..i prefer mp3 but still..its alot of mp3pro out there..

Strife · 16th October 2001, 18:31

Anyone who uses mp3pro has gotta have something wrong with them. mp3 is so much better.

danbee · 16th October 2001, 19:40

if you want to move to a superior format, you gotta go ogg!

Ice · 16th October 2001, 20:59

winamp 3 most likely will not support mp3pro out of the box. but with the plugin system, a third party plugin should be just as high quality as one made by nullsoft. they have no excuses now.

mkeroppi · 17th October 2001, 02:56

kind of off topic, but can anyone fill me with "useful" info about mp3pro, like what is it really, how does it sound, and most importantly why? I've read some stuff on it when it first came out, but it looks stupid and superficial and I'm too lazy to download an encoder to try it out.

josti · 17th October 2001, 15:56

Right. U want info about mp3PRO. and, I know something about it! so I can help! yeah!
to be short: mp3PRO is based on mp3. actually, it uses 64 kb/sec mp3, and ads a few kb/sec for the new technique included: the "famous"
SBR (Spectral Band Replication). that system "reconstructs" (guesses...) the higher frequencies. ever encoded an mp3 at 64 kb/sec? bad quality, isnt it? it cuts off the frequencies above 10kHz, thus decreasing the information to compress. Of course you could not decrease the compressed frequencies, but then a lot of distorsions would occur. anyway, with SBR the lost data can be retrieved (of course not perfect) so it sounds a lot better. and mp3PRO is compattible with mp3, because an old mp3player simply ignores the SBR-info, so it then is just a 64kb/sec mp3.
after all, mp3pro IS an improvement, if you compare it to 64kb/sec mp3, it can be compared to some 100kb/sec. they claim to offer 128kb/sec quality, but in other pages they admit they cant provide that. so mp3pro WILL DEcrease, if used everywhere, the overall music quallity, but at a great improve in bandwith use - I mean it uses less

website:
http://www.codingtechnologies.de/technology/index.htm
If you want quallity: go mp+! if you want small files, go mp3pro.
thats it...
(mp+ is the new, fully free standard for HIGH quality. to find info about this:
http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~and...coder_eng.html
this is the makers' homepage. it offers free downloads, including a free encoder, frondend for the encoder, and an winamp plugin to play mp+ (or mpc) files. its not an mp3pro concurent, because it has bitrates (in normal compression) exceeding 170 k (VBR, Variable Bit Rate, the amount of used Kb/sec can change, due to the complexity of the music. silence uses much less kb/sec than classical music!)
This format just goes further on the mp3 system. it has improved its quality at the cost of a slightly higher bitrate. esp. in the -extreme quality, you wont hear any difference between mp+ and wav.
and if you prefer MAX quality (no losses) go for lossles compression - use ape! it compresses up to 50%. worse than mp3 and his lossy friends, but you have every bit of data preserved!
www.monkeysaudio.com
its compattible with winamp, and realy FAST!

anyway. lets fuck mp3pro, and stick together around mp+ or mp3!

jos

Wish · 17th October 2001, 16:38

http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/index.asp

mp3PRO Decoder · US$ 1.25 per unit or US$ 90 000.00 - US$ 150 000.00 one-time paid-up

If anyone would like to pay US$90,000 - US$150,000 so that Nullsoft can include the decoder and we all can enjoy it, be my guest.

If not, then please stop requesting MP3Pro support.

josti · 17th October 2001, 16:40

yeah, mp3pro is commercial, as u can see... so lets stick around mp3 once again! or use the free mp+ platform!

Jos

sumpm1 · 9th November 2001, 11:52

Lets screw the bastards that put that price on it, just like I love to screw Microsoft. I can see mp3pro being macked much like mpeg4 did with divx, and then actually imprved upon later in a free version(like divx4). Not all bad can come from mp3pro, it lets us store our mp3s at half the space. And now that winamp 3 is coming (it could be done now) a third party plugin could be made, a good one, not by thomson, by anyoene, so we dont have to pay the fee, these are just stupid formalities.

schweitn · 9th November 2001, 13:12

Check out peter's input plugin thread...

I believe he has a first version of an mp3pro plugin somewhere in there...

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....threadid=62366

Lion King · 9th November 2001, 14:53

no he doesn't and it would be illegal anyway

there are mpc(mp+)/ogg/ape plugins

peter · 9th November 2001, 16:00

Quote:

Originally posted by schweitn
Check out peter's input plugin thread...

I believe he has a first version of an mp3pro plugin somewhere in there...

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....threadid=62366

you are insulting me

schweitn · 9th November 2001, 17:43

Quote:

Originally posted by peter

you are insulting me

My fault... I was confusing mp+ and mp3pro...

peter · 10th November 2001, 19:17

... and now you are insulting mpc.

CraigF · 11th November 2001, 14:05

hahaha. I think you can add mp3plus to the list of plugins peter will NEVER touch. So, peter? When are you making the wma input plugin?

peter · 11th November 2001, 14:16

i'm not working on any more useless formats. hell, i even don't feel like making VQF plugin for WA3. i've been thinking about LPAC plugin, but their SDK is a piece of shit too (no IO callbacks).
i might do AAC plugin (if somebody gives me decoder library & encoder binaries to test, i'm too lazy to look for them myself and i don't use AAC anyway), currently available AAC plugin is known to suck.

Garry · 11th November 2001, 22:25

Quote:

Originally posted by josti
Right. U want info about mp3PRO. and, I know something about it! so I can help! yeah!
to be short: mp3PRO is based on mp3. actually, it uses 64 kb/sec mp3, and ads a few kb/sec for the new technique included: the "famous"
SBR (Spectral Band Replication). that system "reconstructs" (guesses...) the higher frequencies. ever encoded an mp3 at 64 kb/sec? bad quality, isnt it? it cuts off the frequencies above 10kHz, thus decreasing the information to compress. Of course you could not decrease the compressed frequencies, but then a lot of distorsions would occur. anyway, with SBR the lost data can be retrieved (of course not perfect) so it sounds a lot better. and mp3PRO is compattible with mp3, because an old mp3player simply ignores the SBR-info, so it then is just a 64kb/sec mp3.
after all, mp3pro IS an improvement, if you compare it to 64kb/sec mp3, it can be compared to some 100kb/sec. they claim to offer 128kb/sec quality, but in other pages they admit they cant provide that. so mp3pro WILL DEcrease, if used everywhere, the overall music quallity, but at a great improve in bandwith use - I mean it uses less
website:
http://www.codingtechnologies.de/technology/index.htm
If you want quallity: go mp+! if you want small files, go mp3pro.
thats it...
(mp+ is the new, fully free standard for HIGH quality. to find info about this:
http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~and...coder_eng.html
this is the makers' homepage. it offers free downloads, including a free encoder, frondend for the encoder, and an winamp plugin to play mp+ (or mpc) files. its not an mp3pro concurent, because it has bitrates (in normal compression) exceeding 170 k (VBR, Variable Bit Rate, the amount of used Kb/sec can change, due to the complexity of the music. silence uses much less kb/sec than classical music!)
This format just goes further on the mp3 system. it has improved its quality at the cost of a slightly higher bitrate. esp. in the -extreme quality, you wont hear any difference between mp+ and wav.
and if you prefer MAX quality (no losses) go for lossles compression - use ape! it compresses up to 50%. worse than mp3 and his lossy friends, but you have every bit of data preserved!
www.monkeysaudio.com
its compattible with winamp, and realy FAST!

anyway. lets fuck mp3pro, and stick together around mp+ or mp3!

jos

So basically it's a matter of taste?

josti · 12th November 2001, 12:53

Quote:

Originally posted by Garry

So basically it's a matter of taste?

well, yes, but if you consider that bandwith is increasing, its useless (I think

) to start using something which uses LESS bandwith, and with LESS quallity. and, a license for a portable mp3pro player will cost some 15 dollar, and mpc is free. nullsoft doesnt want to include a mp3pro-plugin, why? because they must pay a 90.000-150.000 dollars so they can give it away with winamp for FREE! isnt that stupid? Such a commercial shit - I hate that! so - matter of taste? for low bandwith - just wait a few years, and bandwith costs 10% of what it costs now, that'll be no problem anymore! Better choose for higher quality. And it even costs less

Remember again, mp3pro DOES decrease quality compared to mp3! the quality is comparable to 100 kbit, and 128 is standard now...

16th October 2001, 16:40	#1
willywonka Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3	mp3pro support will wa3 directly support mp3pro? or will i have to use a crappy thirdparty plugin??

16th October 2001, 16:58	#3
willywonka Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3	... i was not asking for your brilliant opinions in wheter or not the format is any good..i prefer mp3 but still..its alot of mp3pro out there..

16th October 2001, 19:40	#5
danbee Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 320	if you want to move to a superior format, you gotta go ogg! :: danbee :: www.danbee.co.uk :: "old programmers never die. they just terminate and stay resident."

16th October 2001, 20:59	#6
Ice Moderator Alumni Americas Favorite Smut Peddler Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sun Prarie, WI Posts: 3,303	winamp 3 most likely will not support mp3pro out of the box. but with the plugin system, a third party plugin should be just as high quality as one made by nullsoft. they have no excuses now. I'd like to meet a mad man who makes it all seem sane To work out all these troubles and what there is to gain

9th November 2001, 11:52	#11
sumpm1 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 31	I say Lets screw the bastards that put that price on it, just like I love to screw Microsoft. I can see mp3pro being macked much like mpeg4 did with divx, and then actually imprved upon later in a free version(like divx4). Not all bad can come from mp3pro, it lets us store our mp3s at half the space. And now that winamp 3 is coming (it could be done now) a third party plugin could be made, a good one, not by thomson, by anyoene, so we dont have to pay the fee, these are just stupid formalities.

16th October 2001, 16:47	#2
NeoRenegade Banned Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada, eh? Posts: 4,083	Every crappy format deserves nothing better than a crappy third-party plug-in. Wake up. MP3 is better than MP3pro.

16th October 2001, 18:31	#4
Strife Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 5	Anyone who uses mp3pro has gotta have something wrong with them. mp3 is so much better.

17th October 2001, 02:56	#7
mkeroppi Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 31	kind of off topic, but can anyone fill me with "useful" info about mp3pro, like what is it really, how does it sound, and most importantly why? I've read some stuff on it when it first came out, but it looks stupid and superficial and I'm too lazy to download an encoder to try it out.

17th October 2001, 15:56	#8
josti Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland??? Posts: 21	Right. U want info about mp3PRO. and, I know something about it! so I can help! yeah! to be short: mp3PRO is based on mp3. actually, it uses 64 kb/sec mp3, and ads a few kb/sec for the new technique included: the "famous" SBR (Spectral Band Replication). that system "reconstructs" (guesses...) the higher frequencies. ever encoded an mp3 at 64 kb/sec? bad quality, isnt it? it cuts off the frequencies above 10kHz, thus decreasing the information to compress. Of course you could not decrease the compressed frequencies, but then a lot of distorsions would occur. anyway, with SBR the lost data can be retrieved (of course not perfect) so it sounds a lot better. and mp3PRO is compattible with mp3, because an old mp3player simply ignores the SBR-info, so it then is just a 64kb/sec mp3. after all, mp3pro IS an improvement, if you compare it to 64kb/sec mp3, it can be compared to some 100kb/sec. they claim to offer 128kb/sec quality, but in other pages they admit they cant provide that. so mp3pro WILL DEcrease, if used everywhere, the overall music quallity, but at a great improve in bandwith use - I mean it uses less website: http://www.codingtechnologies.de/technology/index.htm If you want quallity: go mp+! if you want small files, go mp3pro. thats it... (mp+ is the new, fully free standard for HIGH quality. to find info about this: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~and...coder_eng.html this is the makers' homepage. it offers free downloads, including a free encoder, frondend for the encoder, and an winamp plugin to play mp+ (or mpc) files. its not an mp3pro concurent, because it has bitrates (in normal compression) exceeding 170 k (VBR, Variable Bit Rate, the amount of used Kb/sec can change, due to the complexity of the music. silence uses much less kb/sec than classical music!) This format just goes further on the mp3 system. it has improved its quality at the cost of a slightly higher bitrate. esp. in the -extreme quality, you wont hear any difference between mp+ and wav. and if you prefer MAX quality (no losses) go for lossles compression - use ape! it compresses up to 50%. worse than mp3 and his lossy friends, but you have every bit of data preserved! www.monkeysaudio.com its compattible with winamp, and realy FAST! anyway. lets fuck mp3pro, and stick together around mp+ or mp3! jos

17th October 2001, 16:38	#9
Wish Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 702	http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/index.asp mp3PRO Decoder · US$ 1.25 per unit or US$ 90 000.00 - US$ 150 000.00 one-time paid-up If anyone would like to pay US$90,000 - US$150,000 so that Nullsoft can include the decoder and we all can enjoy it, be my guest. If not, then please stop requesting MP3Pro support.

17th October 2001, 16:40	#10
josti Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland??? Posts: 21	yeah, mp3pro is commercial, as u can see... so lets stick around mp3 once again! or use the free mp+ platform! Jos

9th November 2001, 13:12	#12
schweitn Winamp3 Component Guuuru Beta Team Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,068	Check out peter's input plugin thread... I believe he has a first version of an mp3pro plugin somewhere in there... http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....threadid=62366 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein Winamp 3 Projects \| Winamp 2x Plugin Manager \| Explorer Playlist \| FileSystem Object \| Shoutcast List \| Sashimi

9th November 2001, 14:53	#13
Lion King Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,668	no he doesn't and it would be illegal anyway there are mpc(mp+)/ogg/ape plugins

10th November 2001, 19:17	#16
peter ist death Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 3,704	... and now you are insulting mpc.

11th November 2001, 14:05	#17
CraigF Passionately Apathetic Administrator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Hell Posts: 5,435	hahaha. I think you can add mp3plus to the list of plugins peter will NEVER touch. So, peter? When are you making the wma input plugin?

11th November 2001, 14:16	#18
peter ist death Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 3,704	i'm not working on any more useless formats. hell, i even don't feel like making VQF plugin for WA3. i've been thinking about LPAC plugin, but their SDK is a piece of shit too (no IO callbacks). i might do AAC plugin (if somebody gives me decoder library & encoder binaries to test, i'm too lazy to look for them myself and i don't use AAC anyway), currently available AAC plugin is known to suck.

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