First human clone

Kaboon · 26th November 2001, 16:07

http://www.advancedcell.com/pr_11-25-2001.html

Scary!

I think that it is quite disturbing. This will mean that some diseases can be terminated for good. I think that a virus will always find an other way to spread itsself. Just look at the many variants of HIV/Aids or cancer.

I also can belive that someday they will invent "the perfect human", with only the good qualities from the humanity. Or the very opposite of it, a well trained battle machine made to kill as much as they can in periods of war.

I blow things over here a bit but I was curious, what's your opinion about it? I personally think that's not a good thing.

Nofx Guy · 26th November 2001, 16:28

yeah just think, you could clone yourself and then live forever, in a way.....

. - .... .- -. .... · 26th November 2001, 17:18

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Originally posted by Nofx Guy
yeah just think, you could clone yourself and then live forever, in a way.....

A person is more than just the body that he or she consists of. There is memories, intellect, experience, maybe even soul. Cloning in the sense that you speak of has been provided by nature for years in the form of identical twins. Would you consider twins to be one and the same person?

deathazre · 26th November 2001, 18:18

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Originally posted by Nofx Guy
yeah just think, you could clone yourself and then live forever, in a way.....

or clone someone you don't like without them knowing, and have the clone go around breaking all sorts of laws (assassinate bill gates) and stuff like that...

. - .... .- -. .... · 26th November 2001, 18:30

The "paradox of the twins" comes to mind.

zorpidus · 26th November 2001, 18:49

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Originally posted by Kaboon
I think that a virus will always find an other way to spread itsself. Just look at the many variants of HIV/Aids or cancer.

Cancer isn't a virus... Cancer is the process of uncontrolled cell proliferation... Just wanted to point this out

Carry on...

SNYder · 26th November 2001, 19:34

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Originally posted by Kaboon
I blow things over here a bit but I was curious, what's your opinion about it? I personally think that's not a good thing.

2 words. Pandora's box

or for all you icy hot stuntaz out there. Pandora's BIZOX, SUCKA!

26th November 2001, 19:36

Bah, this is no diffrent they any other major technology improvement ever. There is always the chance of abuse. Just a case of technophobia

Aeroe · 26th November 2001, 20:14

as long as the preborn aren't harvested. a freaky scenario would be labs that soley grow humans just for spare parts.

now copying embryonic (sp?) stem cells will be great, that's if the scientists can actually produce what they all have been been barking about. such as a fix for nerve damage and parkinson's disease... blah blah.

Bilbo Baggins · 26th November 2001, 20:19

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Originally posted by Aeroe
as long as the preborn aren't harvested. a freaky scenario would be labs that soley grow humans just for spare parts.

The Matrix?

Xerxes · 26th November 2001, 21:09

Thats growing humans for bioelectricity.

All i have to say, is hopefully this clone is the first of many.

Bilbo Baggins · 26th November 2001, 21:19

NOT ANOTHER NIXON

I do not like the idea of cloning. We are all individual, in looks as well as personality. We went too far with genetic engineering. We have got to put a stop with this shit at cloning.

NOW!

Bilbo Baggins · 26th November 2001, 21:22

Surely the point of disease is to control the population of the afflicted animal.

NeoRenegade · 26th November 2001, 21:59

Human cloning? Yay!

Let's be like the Weyoun (Star Trek: DS9) and reincarnate the same great leader over and over again

In our case, we should take the shroud of Turin, pull a JP and replace the missing parts of Jesus' DNA and bring him back for good

PS Yeah I know it's likely not really Jesus death shroud. Still, it would be hella cool.

steady puffin' · 26th November 2001, 22:18

i like the whole idea of cloning, because then, when the technology is advanced enough, people can select what their child will look like, what his perosnality be like an other stuff, of course there would be restrictions, i mean u wouldnt be able to "order" a killing machine. but i think this is good because it would eliminate all the bad, gentically transfered things such as diseases, overweightning, and such.. you might not agree, and i'm not necessarilly saying it'll work, just my opinion.

Xerxes · 27th November 2001, 00:47

Wouldn't anyone rather have a cute family Nixon over a family dog, or is that just me?

Aeroe · 27th November 2001, 00:55

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Originally posted by steady puffin'
i like the whole idea of cloning, because then, when the technology is advanced enough, people can select what their child will look like, what his perosnality be like an other stuff, of course there would be restrictions, i mean u wouldnt be able to "order" a killing machine. but i think this is good because it would eliminate all the bad, gentically transfered things such as diseases, overweightning, and such.. you might not agree, and i'm not necessarilly saying it'll work, just my opinion.

heil hitler!

exactly what he wanted, a "perfect" breed but to who's standards?
that's just freaky too though...

NeoRenegade · 27th November 2001, 00:59

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Originally posted by steady puffin'
people can select what their child will look like, what his perosnality be like an other stuff, of course there would be restrictions...

I don't think the gov't would ever alow that. Think of the havoc it would throw into sports leagues and beauty pageants, 2 name 2 major things. They'd either have to screen genetic alterees, or be very unfair to "natural" people, or start ridiculous institutions like the "superhuman olympics".

Xerxes · 27th November 2001, 01:17

The movie "Gattaca" with Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman intelligently explores these issues- anyone here like that movie?

deathazre · 27th November 2001, 01:28

yeah, watched that once.
ever notice the play on words with "invalid"?

rm' · 27th November 2001, 02:11

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Originally posted by Xerxes
The movie "Gattaca" with Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman intelligently explores these issues- anyone here like that movie?

I've only gotten to see bits and pieces. Looked good.

Twilightseer · 27th November 2001, 08:15

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Originally posted by Xerxes
The movie "Gattaca" with Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman intelligently explores these issues- anyone here like that movie?

To me, Gattaca didn't delve enough into the possibilities of its subject.
Still, it was a rather good movie.

DJ ROACH · 27th November 2001, 08:26

i think lots of bad things could become of it, but lots of bad things can become of anything, proper control and wisdom well be what makes it right or wrong. i know its a bit diffrent but people were just as scared of computers back in the day, theres always going to be fear of the next advance only because it has no sure outcome. as long as we dont abuse, exploit or control another human (clone) then i see no harm. if done in bad taste for the wrong reason like war then no, its wrong. i think its something we cant stop, so we need to take the preventive to the explotaion of cloning. im sure in our lifetimes we will see a cloning comision of some kind.

SSJ4 Gogitta · 27th November 2001, 08:31

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Originally posted by deathazre
yeah, watched that once.
ever notice the play on words with "invalid"?

hehe...

never noticed that...

SNYder · 27th November 2001, 22:48

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Originally posted by Xerxes
The movie "Gattaca" with Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman intelligently explores these issues- anyone here like that movie?

I really liked that movie.

Yeah it's based in a fully cloned nation, but other then that it doesn't really work much on the cloning topic, other then to show the problems (aka hitler type control) cloning could lead to.

It's mainly just a "Not so perfect Man with drive and passion for his goal beats the evil government at it's own game" type movie.

Is there something I am not seeing in it?

Note: I saw it years ago. (usefull info: SNYder has a shakey memory)

weedsatan · 28th November 2001, 00:14

Never seen the movie..
/me is still looking for a decent rip.

DJ ROACH · 28th November 2001, 00:29

i know a few woman i wouldnt mind cloning.

26th November 2001, 16:07	#1
Kaboon Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Netherlands Posts: 2,494	First human clone http://www.advancedcell.com/pr_11-25-2001.html Scary! I think that it is quite disturbing. This will mean that some diseases can be terminated for good. I think that a virus will always find an other way to spread itsself. Just look at the many variants of HIV/Aids or cancer. I also can belive that someday they will invent "the perfect human", with only the good qualities from the humanity. Or the very opposite of it, a well trained battle machine made to kill as much as they can in periods of war. I blow things over here a bit but I was curious, what's your opinion about it? I personally think that's not a good thing. berkenpi.es

26th November 2001, 16:28	#2
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26th November 2001, 18:30	#5
. - .... .- -. .... Backpacking Moderator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: საქართველო (Georgia) Posts: 10,104	The "paradox of the twins" comes to mind. Like my photography? Buy some here....

26th November 2001, 22:18	#15
steady puffin' Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: home Posts: 435	i like the whole idea of cloning, because then, when the technology is advanced enough, people can select what their child will look like, what his perosnality be like an other stuff, of course there would be restrictions, i mean u wouldnt be able to "order" a killing machine. but i think this is good because it would eliminate all the bad, gentically transfered things such as diseases, overweightning, and such.. you might not agree, and i'm not necessarilly saying it'll work, just my opinion. Free XXX

28th November 2001, 00:14	#26
weedsatan Forum King Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Under the Ground Posts: 2,303	Never seen the movie.. /me is still looking for a decent rip. "Insanity -- a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world." -R. D. Lang

26th November 2001, 19:36	#8
NuLoser Guest Posts: n/a	Bah, this is no diffrent they any other major technology improvement ever. There is always the chance of abuse. Just a case of technophobia

26th November 2001, 20:14	#9
Aeroe Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Assembly Hall Posts: 1,446	as long as the preborn aren't harvested. a freaky scenario would be labs that soley grow humans just for spare parts. now copying embryonic (sp?) stem cells will be great, that's if the scientists can actually produce what they all have been been barking about. such as a fix for nerve damage and parkinson's disease... blah blah.

26th November 2001, 21:09	#11
Xerxes Capitalist Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: my 4 Houses on Park Place Posts: 8,688	Thats growing humans for bioelectricity. All i have to say, is hopefully this clone is the first of many.

26th November 2001, 21:19	#12
Bilbo Baggins Wind Chime of the Apocalypse Join Date: May 2000 Location: The Forest Posts: 17,228	NOT ANOTHER NIXON I do not like the idea of cloning. We are all individual, in looks as well as personality. We went too far with genetic engineering. We have got to put a stop with this shit at cloning. NOW!

26th November 2001, 21:22	#13
Bilbo Baggins Wind Chime of the Apocalypse Join Date: May 2000 Location: The Forest Posts: 17,228	Surely the point of disease is to control the population of the afflicted animal.

26th November 2001, 21:59	#14
NeoRenegade Banned Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada, eh? Posts: 4,083	Human cloning? Yay! Let's be like the Weyoun (Star Trek: DS9) and reincarnate the same great leader over and over again In our case, we should take the shroud of Turin, pull a JP and replace the missing parts of Jesus' DNA and bring him back for good PS Yeah I know it's likely not really Jesus death shroud. Still, it would be hella cool.

27th November 2001, 00:47	#16
Xerxes Capitalist Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: my 4 Houses on Park Place Posts: 8,688	Wouldn't anyone rather have a cute family Nixon over a family dog, or is that just me?

27th November 2001, 01:17	#19
Xerxes Capitalist Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: my 4 Houses on Park Place Posts: 8,688	The movie "Gattaca" with Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman intelligently explores these issues- anyone here like that movie?

27th November 2001, 01:28	#20
deathazre Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: behind the wheel of a Cat service truck Posts: 1,847	yeah, watched that once. ever notice the play on words with "invalid"?

27th November 2001, 08:26	#23
DJ ROACH Chick God [Major Dude] Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Your local mental hospital Posts: 2,154	i think lots of bad things could become of it, but lots of bad things can become of anything, proper control and wisdom well be what makes it right or wrong. i know its a bit diffrent but people were just as scared of computers back in the day, theres always going to be fear of the next advance only because it has no sure outcome. as long as we dont abuse, exploit or control another human (clone) then i see no harm. if done in bad taste for the wrong reason like war then no, its wrong. i think its something we cant stop, so we need to take the preventive to the explotaion of cloning. im sure in our lifetimes we will see a cloning comision of some kind.

28th November 2001, 00:29	#27
DJ ROACH Chick God [Major Dude] Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Your local mental hospital Posts: 2,154	i know a few woman i wouldnt mind cloning.

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