Philips says copy-protected CDs have no future

fish · 12th January 2002, 20:17

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991783

I like the idea that someone's standing up against the RIAA and saying "f*&$ you!"

Discuss

deathazre · 12th January 2002, 20:27

good stuff

Spatvark · 12th January 2002, 20:48

Philips have got it spot on, CD Protection is the bane of my life as I'm a CD Pirate, but this is about the non-pirate users, and I know enough people who can't use programs they've gone out and bought with their hard-earned cash... and as Philips said, they are easy to get around once you know how, but most people don't and this can cause them large problems...

ReDVsion · 12th January 2002, 22:19

I always wondered why I somehow inherently liked Phillips as a company so much... now I know

s1138 · 12th January 2002, 22:36

thats hilarious...

think about it. the RIAA spends millions trying to copy protect CD's. and then philips comes in and says "we own CD patents, and we say you cant do this"

then they RIAA is like "well fuck..."

deathazre · 12th January 2002, 22:40

and then the crack of a sniper rifle echoes through the room and the RIAA is dead.

fish · 12th January 2002, 23:01

I doly do love Philips also

When I went to an expo at the OM World Finals (

) They gave me tons of free stuff, propaganda, and innuendoes.

It's hilarious how ironic it is though. RIAA thinks they're do high and mighty and try to put all this bullshit on, but then Philips comes in and says "we own the patents, clownboat!"

God I love them

baafie · 12th January 2002, 23:16

I have a couple of Philips shares. Influence me, influence Philips

CraigF · 12th January 2002, 23:57

as much as i wish that philips will smack the riaa down, its not really that likely to happen.

insomniac · 13th January 2002, 00:00

heh,RIAA..anal retentive assholes...no matter how much money they spend,they could never keep me from burning all of my ILLEGAL mp3s to cds. even though i don`t use a cd player,i use a nomad jukebox,but i sell burned cds to my friends...SO SUE ME!

Curi0us_George · 13th January 2002, 00:42

Sw00t!

CraigF · 13th January 2002, 00:46

the issue is, as much money as these companies spend on trying to stop people copying things, there is always someone out there more smarter than them.

Call it social engineering, call it whatever you want. there are people out there who find it ethically reasonable to copy things.

Companies need to stop flushing their money away trying to prevent people from copying things and either keep that money to keep their profits up, or alternatively, invest it trying to find out why people feel that they would prefer to copy things than buy them new.

I have been preaching this for years, and eventually, someone will come along with some authority and repeat exactly what i have been saying. cept they'll get a whole lot of recognition for it.

go figure.

Curi0us_George · 13th January 2002, 01:18

Quote:

Originally posted by CraigF
more smarter

fukblink182 · 13th January 2002, 01:37

The RIAA has alot of problems. They think everyone steals by nature. Don't know bout every 1 else, but I only steal from Walgreens on occasion, and researching why people steal music is dumb. I know why I do it. If its free and takes no effort and I won't get caught I must be a fuckin ape wit a bananna up my ass to not do it. I still believe music is made 2 give an individual a voice, not to make profits so super-models will fuck his ugly ass. Why does it matter ne wayz? Not like artists make any money from selling cd's. The RIAA is just throwin a bitch fit cuz they can't rip ne 1 off ne more. Personally I'm surprised at how slow everyone caught on to trading music over the net. This shits been goin on since fuckin 94. Personally I think the RIAA just needs a nice fuck an a cig an they'll shut the fuck up. Heh still funny how phillips socked them in a jaw like a lil bitch. But we all know phillips is doing it for sells too. With out the ability to steal music, movies, porn, games, and apps they couldn't sell their burners, or their crappy blank cds.

deathazre · 13th January 2002, 01:38

http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/3625.shtml

binary hero · 13th January 2002, 13:35

will this be the end of the RIAA?

Colonel G · 13th January 2002, 14:25

Quote:

Originally posted by binary hero
will this be the end of the RIAA?

No.

BeerBaron · 13th January 2002, 14:45

lets all give a giant

for CD copyright protection!

CraigF · 13th January 2002, 16:36

Quote:

Originally posted by Curi0us_George

more anything when talking about the riaa isnt all that hard. unless you say 'more lame'.

yeah, my engrish sux

SPREAD · 13th January 2002, 19:46

I think that RIAA and SIAE (ITALY) exchange bullballs for lightbulbs,
what i mean is that until they make us pay more than 20 Euro's for a new cd they won't get rid of piracy.The prices are to high and they suck about over 30 percent of the total cost,the worst thing about it is that the artist's only get the lowest piece of the cake (and pay the studio,session men and so on )so what i say is VAFFANCULO ....

RIAA and SIAE !

Ice · 14th January 2002, 00:27

i think if you like the music, you should be honest, and go buy it. it's only fair--people are in this for money, people need to put food on the table.

getting rid of every source of piracy wont help, if they elliminated irc, and the napster clones, or maybe even shoutcast, it wouldn't do a thing. they'd lose me as a consumer. i've bought many albums because i heard it first from downloading it from irc, or hearing it on monkey radio (brennan = god) or digitally imported.

its unfair to the consumer. if we buy the cd, we have the right to be able to listen to it in any way we like. be it in a cd player, mp3 player, diskman, or on the computer.

CrazyDude · 14th January 2002, 00:52

This time i have to laugh at the RIAA. What morons. They seem to think they made these audio formats. The inventors of CD come back and straighten them out. HAHAHA

fwgx · 14th January 2002, 01:15

I hate Philips because they only have one 'l' in their name! Everyone knows it should have 2 l's. (That's the way my name is spelt - The proper way

)

I love the CDrw of theirs i have though

Curi0us_George · 14th January 2002, 02:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Phily Baby
I hate Philips because they only have one 'l' in their name! Everyone knows it should have 2 l's. (That's the way my name is spelt - The proper way )

I really hope that's supposed to be sarcasm

KelseyB · 14th January 2002, 06:10

I'm with you ice- i didnt own a SINGLE cd untill i downloaded stuff from napster. then napster when bye-bye

'a common mistake that people make when trying to design smething completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools' -Douglas Adams

the same works for sharing clients and anti-piracy soft/hardware. all it does is extend the amount of time it takes for people to break the locks. thats the way people are. give them a challenge and they succeed. sorry, but they WILL be broken, so why bother pissing off all of the regular customers by making them buy new cd players just so they can listen to the d that wouldnt work on their old player.

btw- what stopes people from playing cds on a player that plays them and just pluging the output on the player in the line in on their computer and recording from there? (was this said before? if it was, sorry for repeating it!)

s1138 · 14th January 2002, 09:57

Quote:

Originally posted by Phily Baby
I hate Philips because they only have one 'l' in their name! Everyone knows it should have 2 l's. (That's the way my name is spelt - The proper way )

I love the CDrw of theirs i have though

hey! my cousins name is spelt with 1 'l'

c2R · 14th January 2002, 18:16

Quote:

Originally posted by KelseyB
btw- what stopes people from playing cds on a player that plays them and just pluging the output on the player in the line in on their computer and recording from there? (was this said before? if it was, sorry for repeating it!)

Absoultely nothing (provided they actually have a player that plays them

).

However, the sound quality wont be exactly as perfect as when you digitally copy the original...

Curi0us_George · 15th January 2002, 00:46

Well, if you have an optical out on your stereo and an optical in on your card. . .

chevythunder · 15th January 2002, 01:12

me thinks i'm going to buy a new reciever... a philips

chevythunder · 15th January 2002, 01:14

i didnt know that you could buy an optical sound card

what types have them? I might have to buy one

John M · 15th January 2002, 02:05

i'm sure someone will find a way to hack the soundcard and cdplayer to get perfect digital copies. (ie, get in before the DA converter on the cd player and hook it into the soundcard after the AD converter.

NRen2k5 · 15th January 2002, 04:46

Actually, the way CD copy-protection works is that they change the start sector of the first track and so on by something like -3712 frames (I have no idea)or something like that. The result is that it freezes up all computers when you try to play or rip the CD. The majority of stereos are unaffected.

But, using AudioGrabber, you can change what it recognizes as the start of a track, and get it to rip properly. Sure, it has n secure ripping mode, but buffered burst from the CD-ROM is better than using even an optical line-in on a soundcard.

12th January 2002, 20:17	#1
fish Pretty Cool Guy Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Cle, OH, USA Posts: 4,847	Philips says copy-protected CDs have no future http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991783 I like the idea that someone's standing up against the RIAA and saying "f*&$ you!" Discuss eh, heh.

12th January 2002, 22:19	#4
ReDVsion Major Dude Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 1,426	I always wondered why I somehow inherently liked Phillips as a company so much... now I know ?

12th January 2002, 23:01	#7
fish Pretty Cool Guy Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Cle, OH, USA Posts: 4,847	I doly do love Philips also When I went to an expo at the OM World Finals () They gave me tons of free stuff, propaganda, and innuendoes. It's hilarious how ironic it is though. RIAA thinks they're do high and mighty and try to put all this bullshit on, but then Philips comes in and says "we own the patents, clownboat!" God I love them eh, heh.

13th January 2002, 00:42	#11
Curi0us_George Forum King Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: -1 Posts: 5,179	Sw00t! For the freedom to express myself in my own way without fear of being censored or banned. 47 65 6C 61 65 64 2E 63 6F 6D 00

13th January 2002, 14:45	#18
BeerBaron Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My Brewery Posts: 388	lets all give a giant for CD copyright protection! Sympathy, prayer... Crew of the space Shuttle Columbia, do i need to say more?

12th January 2002, 20:27	#2
deathazre Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: behind the wheel of a Cat service truck Posts: 1,847	good stuff

12th January 2002, 20:48	#3
Spatvark Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In my bedroom... alone =( Posts: 24	Philips have got it spot on, CD Protection is the bane of my life as I'm a CD Pirate, but this is about the non-pirate users, and I know enough people who can't use programs they've gone out and bought with their hard-earned cash... and as Philips said, they are easy to get around once you know how, but most people don't and this can cause them large problems...

12th January 2002, 22:36	#5
s1138 Alumni? Join Date: May 2000 Location: joja Posts: 6,936	thats hilarious... think about it. the RIAA spends millions trying to copy protect CD's. and then philips comes in and says "we own CD patents, and we say you cant do this" then they RIAA is like "well fuck..."

12th January 2002, 22:40	#6
deathazre Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: behind the wheel of a Cat service truck Posts: 1,847	and then the crack of a sniper rifle echoes through the room and the RIAA is dead.

12th January 2002, 23:16	#8
baafie feminazi (Major Dude) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,767	I have a couple of Philips shares. Influence me, influence Philips

12th January 2002, 23:57	#9
CraigF Passionately Apathetic Administrator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Hell Posts: 5,435	as much as i wish that philips will smack the riaa down, its not really that likely to happen.

13th January 2002, 00:00	#10
insomniac Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 58,409,042 Posts: 1,614	heh,RIAA..anal retentive assholes...no matter how much money they spend,they could never keep me from burning all of my ILLEGAL mp3s to cds. even though i don`t use a cd player,i use a nomad jukebox,but i sell burned cds to my friends...SO SUE ME!

13th January 2002, 00:46	#12
CraigF Passionately Apathetic Administrator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Hell Posts: 5,435	the issue is, as much money as these companies spend on trying to stop people copying things, there is always someone out there more smarter than them. Call it social engineering, call it whatever you want. there are people out there who find it ethically reasonable to copy things. Companies need to stop flushing their money away trying to prevent people from copying things and either keep that money to keep their profits up, or alternatively, invest it trying to find out why people feel that they would prefer to copy things than buy them new. I have been preaching this for years, and eventually, someone will come along with some authority and repeat exactly what i have been saying. cept they'll get a whole lot of recognition for it. go figure.

13th January 2002, 01:37	#14
fukblink182 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: East Oakland, Cali Posts: 3	The RIAA has alot of problems. They think everyone steals by nature. Don't know bout every 1 else, but I only steal from Walgreens on occasion, and researching why people steal music is dumb. I know why I do it. If its free and takes no effort and I won't get caught I must be a fuckin ape wit a bananna up my ass to not do it. I still believe music is made 2 give an individual a voice, not to make profits so super-models will fuck his ugly ass. Why does it matter ne wayz? Not like artists make any money from selling cd's. The RIAA is just throwin a bitch fit cuz they can't rip ne 1 off ne more. Personally I'm surprised at how slow everyone caught on to trading music over the net. This shits been goin on since fuckin 94. Personally I think the RIAA just needs a nice fuck an a cig an they'll shut the fuck up. Heh still funny how phillips socked them in a jaw like a lil bitch. But we all know phillips is doing it for sells too. With out the ability to steal music, movies, porn, games, and apps they couldn't sell their burners, or their crappy blank cds.

13th January 2002, 01:38	#15
deathazre Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: behind the wheel of a Cat service truck Posts: 1,847	http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/3625.shtml

13th January 2002, 13:35	#16
binary hero Banned Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 7,004	will this be the end of the RIAA?

13th January 2002, 19:46	#20
SPREAD Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Italy Posts: 30	RIAA and SIAE ! I think that RIAA and SIAE (ITALY) exchange bullballs for lightbulbs, what i mean is that until they make us pay more than 20 Euro's for a new cd they won't get rid of piracy.The prices are to high and they suck about over 30 percent of the total cost,the worst thing about it is that the artist's only get the lowest piece of the cake (and pay the studio,session men and so on )so what i say is VAFFANCULO .... RIAA and SIAE !

14th January 2002, 00:27	#21
Ice Moderator Alumni Americas Favorite Smut Peddler Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sun Prarie, WI Posts: 3,303	i think if you like the music, you should be honest, and go buy it. it's only fair--people are in this for money, people need to put food on the table. getting rid of every source of piracy wont help, if they elliminated irc, and the napster clones, or maybe even shoutcast, it wouldn't do a thing. they'd lose me as a consumer. i've bought many albums because i heard it first from downloading it from irc, or hearing it on monkey radio (brennan = god) or digitally imported. its unfair to the consumer. if we buy the cd, we have the right to be able to listen to it in any way we like. be it in a cd player, mp3 player, diskman, or on the computer. I'd like to meet a mad man who makes it all seem sane To work out all these troubles and what there is to gain

14th January 2002, 00:52	#22
CrazyDude Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A galaxy far far away Posts: 280	This time i have to laugh at the RIAA. What morons. They seem to think they made these audio formats. The inventors of CD come back and straighten them out. HAHAHA I have no life

14th January 2002, 01:15	#23
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,314	I hate Philips because they only have one 'l' in their name! Everyone knows it should have 2 l's. (That's the way my name is spelt - The proper way ) I love the CDrw of theirs i have though "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

14th January 2002, 06:10	#25
KelseyB Major Dude Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,054	I'm with you ice- i didnt own a SINGLE cd untill i downloaded stuff from napster. then napster when bye-bye 'a common mistake that people make when trying to design smething completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools' -Douglas Adams the same works for sharing clients and anti-piracy soft/hardware. all it does is extend the amount of time it takes for people to break the locks. thats the way people are. give them a challenge and they succeed. sorry, but they WILL be broken, so why bother pissing off all of the regular customers by making them buy new cd players just so they can listen to the d that wouldnt work on their old player. btw- what stopes people from playing cds on a player that plays them and just pluging the output on the player in the line in on their computer and recording from there? (was this said before? if it was, sorry for repeating it!)

15th January 2002, 00:46	#28
Curi0us_George Forum King Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: -1 Posts: 5,179	Well, if you have an optical out on your stereo and an optical in on your card. . . For the freedom to express myself in my own way without fear of being censored or banned. 47 65 6C 61 65 64 2E 63 6F 6D 00

15th January 2002, 01:12	#29
chevythunder Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 119	me thinks i'm going to buy a new reciever... a philips

15th January 2002, 01:14	#30
chevythunder Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 119	i didnt know that you could buy an optical sound card what types have them? I might have to buy one

15th January 2002, 02:05	#31
John M Puts the Cuss in General Discussions (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cincy, Ohio Posts: 3,624	i'm sure someone will find a way to hack the soundcard and cdplayer to get perfect digital copies. (ie, get in before the DA converter on the cd player and hook it into the soundcard after the AD converter. missyob made me post this.

15th January 2002, 04:46	#32
NRen2k5 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 622	Actually, the way CD copy-protection works is that they change the start sector of the first track and so on by something like -3712 frames (I have no idea)or something like that. The result is that it freezes up all computers when you try to play or rip the CD. The majority of stereos are unaffected. But, using AudioGrabber, you can change what it recognizes as the start of a track, and get it to rip properly. Sure, it has n secure ripping mode, but buffered burst from the CD-ROM is better than using even an optical line-in on a soundcard.

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