Total Freeze of Win98SE

wb5plj · 24th February 2002, 16:34

HI
INTRO
I have been using winamp for quite some time on several machienes and have never had any problem with it before. But,.. you knew thier would be one. I had to change my mother board so I changed my processor as well, all else stayed the same and now I have this werd problem.

PROBLEM
When running winamp, after a variable amount of time (usualy about 20 to 35 minuets, but some times longer)winamp frezzes win98SE completely. The only way I have to get out of it is a hard reset. It has done this on many differant songs so I am farliey sure that it is not due to any particular mp3 file.

WHAT I HAVE DONE
I have looked and red and looked and red not finding the source of the problem. I have made sure that I am using proper and up to date drivers for all of my hardware and that I have win98 fully updated as posible. I have also tried installing older versions of winamp and also tried installing the 3 beta. They all have this difficulty.

At this point all I have to add is HELP!! Music is life.

SYSTEM SPECS
AMD Duron 950,
Turtle beach Montiego II Quadzilla sound card,
Matrox G450 Duel head AGP Video card,
Net gear fa310 Eathernet card,
Maxtor hard drives 2x (cant remamber the specifics on each of them),
Viking v.90 Winmodem,
390mb PC-100 SDRAM,
Generic (unfortunatly) mother board with on board audio, disabled in the bios.

Any help is greatly apreachated, Sorry if english errors.

Dwayne

DJ Egg · 24th February 2002, 23:09

First, I'd normally ask if you've installed any (potentially dodgy) 3rd-party Winamp plugins, but if it also happens with wa3 then it's probably something else to blame.
Does the problem only occur with Winamp, or can you reproduce it with other players, eg. WMP, Real, etc?

Which Output plugin are you using?
WaveOut or DirectSound?
It's best to stick with WaveOut for Turtle Beach cards, because they seem to have an incompatibility issue with DirectX/DirectSound.
http://support.microsoft.com/default...303110&SD=MSKB

Apart from this, if the problem only surfaced when you installed the new mobo, then maybe the fault lies somewhere here? Try running the Hardware Diagnostic Tool (usually one of HWDIAG.EXE or HWINFO.EXE)

It might also be wise to run a full ScanDisk and check for any viruses.

Sure, it could be something else, like a Resource (IRQ) conflict or faulty drivers.
Check "System -> Device Manager" for any problems, and make sure you definitely have the correct & latest drivers for all your hardware. Here's a few good places to start:
http://www.driverzone.com/
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0...0001.dir.10010
http://www.driversguide.com/
http://www.drdriver.com/

I very much doubt if this is specifically a problem with Winamp, but there's no harm in trying some of these troubleshooter guides:
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....827#post275827
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....166#post308166
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....029#post440029

Basic Uninstall -> Reinstall procedure:
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=50818

Also, try this official update patch:
Winamp 2.78 Update

Updates both out_wave & out_ds plugins to peter's new versions, also updates in_mod.dll, in_midi.dll & in_wave.dll to new pre v2.79 / 2.80 versions.
Also includes optional Experimental DS Output, extra Gapless WaveOut, in_vorbis.dll . . .

Further details: (READ THIS FIRST)
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=68811

The only other thing I can suggest is you check out some of these sites:

PC911
MS Support Knowledge Base
Windows 98/ME Error Message Resource Center
Win95 & Win98 Annoyances
Free PC Tech
PCForrest
User-Friendly Windows Help/Services
Computing Corner Help
winguides.com
http://www.tomshardware.com
http://www.sysopt.com

Merlin · 24th February 2002, 23:38

The "Space" visualisation plug in randomly froze my WindowsME on several separate occasions. It just knocked out the whole system upon adding one more song to my playlist (only the 489th, so its not an oversized playlist problem). I removed Space, rebooted a couple times and now it works. Definitely worth trying.

ujay · 25th February 2002, 18:51

I also use a Matrox G450 and 98SE, and had very occasional problems.
I found that the very latest drivers for the Matrox were not as stable as the previous one.
Try going back to w9x_671.
Everything runs sweet now, it seems that the latest is not always the best.

UJ

wb5plj · 25th February 2002, 23:37

Thanks all for the suggestions but it still frezes.

I havent installed any other plugins and havent used the one that comes with it at all.

I did try backing off to the last martox driver but this did not help.

I ran WMP and Real for several hours (all day in fact)and thier where no problems.

I have only used the wave output and not the direct sound, on reading your post I tried direct sound witch did the same thing.

no conflicts are showing in the hardware IRQ or otherwize

I tried the 2.78 update with no resolution.

ARRRGGGG!!!!

psyfive · 26th February 2002, 12:19

That used to happen to me, I upgraded everything but my video card and when I ran winamp for about 15 or so minutes my whole system froze. so I bought a new video card (I needed a new one anyway, it was only a 4 meg video card on a 800mhz system.)

damn my computer is old.

DEATH_WAITS · 3rd March 2002, 13:43

I have been using Winamp ever since it's been on the go...never any problems what so ever. But recently, playing either mp3's or streaming off MP3.com, BANG everything froze and whatever sound bit was playing at the time it just keeps looping. The only way to reboot is power switch.

I'm running a Dell PIII 450 w/256MB ram and using Creative Soundblaster Live.

I've done nothing to my computer as in installing anything besides installing Vr 3 Winamp beta vr and it still freezes. Like the other fella that has this prob I can us WMP and Real player and even Creative play centre all with no lock up. BUT i dont want to use them I want my

back BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Please help me

DJ Egg · 3rd March 2002, 14:18

And you've tried EVERYTHING mentioned above?
You've also checked to make sure gen_nomad.dll hasn't reared its ugly head?

DEATH_WAITS · 3rd March 2002, 17:20

I uninstalled Winamp again and Dl the 2.78vr along with the patch. All seems to be working fine. It must have been the patch because I've uninstalled and reinstalled about a dozen times no relizing there was a patch. So my fingers ar crossed...running strong now on 4 hours.

Thanks
DEATH_WAITS

24th February 2002, 16:34	#1
wb5plj Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2	Total Freeze of Win98SE HI INTRO I have been using winamp for quite some time on several machienes and have never had any problem with it before. But,.. you knew thier would be one. I had to change my mother board so I changed my processor as well, all else stayed the same and now I have this werd problem. PROBLEM When running winamp, after a variable amount of time (usualy about 20 to 35 minuets, but some times longer)winamp frezzes win98SE completely. The only way I have to get out of it is a hard reset. It has done this on many differant songs so I am farliey sure that it is not due to any particular mp3 file. WHAT I HAVE DONE I have looked and red and looked and red not finding the source of the problem. I have made sure that I am using proper and up to date drivers for all of my hardware and that I have win98 fully updated as posible. I have also tried installing older versions of winamp and also tried installing the 3 beta. They all have this difficulty. At this point all I have to add is HELP!! Music is life. SYSTEM SPECS AMD Duron 950, Turtle beach Montiego II Quadzilla sound card, Matrox G450 Duel head AGP Video card, Net gear fa310 Eathernet card, Maxtor hard drives 2x (cant remamber the specifics on each of them), Viking v.90 Winmodem, 390mb PC-100 SDRAM, Generic (unfortunatly) mother board with on board audio, disabled in the bios. Any help is greatly apreachated, Sorry if english errors. Dwayne

24th February 2002, 23:09	#2
DJ Egg Techorator Winamp & Shoutcast Team Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 35,894	First, I'd normally ask if you've installed any (potentially dodgy) 3rd-party Winamp plugins, but if it also happens with wa3 then it's probably something else to blame. Does the problem only occur with Winamp, or can you reproduce it with other players, eg. WMP, Real, etc? Which Output plugin are you using? WaveOut or DirectSound? It's best to stick with WaveOut for Turtle Beach cards, because they seem to have an incompatibility issue with DirectX/DirectSound. http://support.microsoft.com/default...303110&SD=MSKB Apart from this, if the problem only surfaced when you installed the new mobo, then maybe the fault lies somewhere here? Try running the Hardware Diagnostic Tool (usually one of HWDIAG.EXE or HWINFO.EXE) It might also be wise to run a full ScanDisk and check for any viruses. Sure, it could be something else, like a Resource (IRQ) conflict or faulty drivers. Check "System -> Device Manager" for any problems, and make sure you definitely have the correct & latest drivers for all your hardware. Here's a few good places to start: http://www.driverzone.com/ http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0...0001.dir.10010 http://www.driversguide.com/ http://www.drdriver.com/ I very much doubt if this is specifically a problem with Winamp, but there's no harm in trying some of these troubleshooter guides: http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....827#post275827 http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....166#post308166 http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....029#post440029 Basic Uninstall -> Reinstall procedure: http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=50818 Also, try this official update patch: Winamp 2.78 Update Updates both out_wave & out_ds plugins to peter's new versions, also updates in_mod.dll, in_midi.dll & in_wave.dll to new pre v2.79 / 2.80 versions. Also includes optional Experimental DS Output, extra Gapless WaveOut, in_vorbis.dll . . . Further details: (READ THIS FIRST) http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=68811 The only other thing I can suggest is you check out some of these sites: PC911 MS Support Knowledge Base Windows 98/ME Error Message Resource Center Win95 & Win98 Annoyances Free PC Tech PCForrest User-Friendly Windows Help/Services Computing Corner Help winguides.com http://www.tomshardware.com http://www.sysopt.com Playlist -\|- Twitter

24th February 2002, 23:38	#3
Merlin ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,209	The "Space" visualisation plug in randomly froze my WindowsME on several separate occasions. It just knocked out the whole system upon adding one more song to my playlist (only the 489th, so its not an oversized playlist problem). I removed Space, rebooted a couple times and now it works. Definitely worth trying. as he faced the sun, he cast no shadow __________________

25th February 2002, 23:37	#5
wb5plj Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2	Still Broke Thanks all for the suggestions but it still frezes. I havent installed any other plugins and havent used the one that comes with it at all. I did try backing off to the last martox driver but this did not help. I ran WMP and Real for several hours (all day in fact)and thier where no problems. I have only used the wave output and not the direct sound, on reading your post I tried direct sound witch did the same thing. no conflicts are showing in the hardware IRQ or otherwize I tried the 2.78 update with no resolution. ARRRGGGG!!!!

3rd March 2002, 13:43	#7
DEATH_WAITS Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2	System freeze in WIN98SE I have been using Winamp ever since it's been on the go...never any problems what so ever. But recently, playing either mp3's or streaming off MP3.com, BANG everything froze and whatever sound bit was playing at the time it just keeps looping. The only way to reboot is power switch. I'm running a Dell PIII 450 w/256MB ram and using Creative Soundblaster Live. I've done nothing to my computer as in installing anything besides installing Vr 3 Winamp beta vr and it still freezes. Like the other fella that has this prob I can us WMP and Real player and even Creative play centre all with no lock up. BUT i dont want to use them I want my back BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Please help me

25th February 2002, 18:51	#4
ujay Forum King Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London Posts: 6,072	I also use a Matrox G450 and 98SE, and had very occasional problems. I found that the very latest drivers for the Matrox were not as stable as the previous one. Try going back to w9x_671. Everything runs sweet now, it seems that the latest is not always the best. UJ

26th February 2002, 12:19	#6
psyfive Forum King Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,527	That used to happen to me, I upgraded everything but my video card and when I ran winamp for about 15 or so minutes my whole system froze. so I bought a new video card (I needed a new one anyway, it was only a 4 meg video card on a 800mhz system.) damn my computer is old.

3rd March 2002, 14:18	#8
DJ Egg Techorator Winamp & Shoutcast Team Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 35,894	And you've tried EVERYTHING mentioned above? You've also checked to make sure gen_nomad.dll hasn't reared its ugly head? Playlist -\|- Twitter

3rd March 2002, 17:20	#9
DEATH_WAITS Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2	Total THAW of WIN98SE I uninstalled Winamp again and Dl the 2.78vr along with the patch. All seems to be working fine. It must have been the patch because I've uninstalled and reinstalled about a dozen times no relizing there was a patch. So my fingers ar crossed...running strong now on 4 hours. Thanks DEATH_WAITS

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