Justice has been served!

HarryLime · 13th March 2002, 14:49

Woman found guilty of drowning her five children.

HarryLime · 13th March 2002, 14:50

Montana · 13th March 2002, 14:59

NO!

i don't care if she drowned 15 kids, death penalty is not the answer, it's not humane (and yes i know, it's wasn't humane for the kids who got got drowned but still) and it doesn't solve anything

fwgx · 13th March 2002, 15:03

The point is not for a solution but for justice and that has been done.

PabUK · 13th March 2002, 15:31

I disagree with such a sentence, as the guilty party gets off lightly in these extreme cases.

Capital punishment discussion:
http://www.pabuk.com/forums/index.ph...y;threadid=630

Mother guilty of murdering 5 children discussion:
http://www.pabuk.com/forums/index.ph...y;threadid=678

HarryLime · 13th March 2002, 15:34

You think letting her sit in a prison is a solution? They get three meals a day, a roof over their head, access to a library, and options to leave every few years. FUCK THAT LIBERAL BULLSHIT!

The death penalty is a delightful solution for demented bastards who act with no morals and pursue activities in which human suffering and loss is the result. The only true justice would be to drown her slowly in a bath tub, with photographs of the faces of her children resting at the bottom. DIE BITCH DIE!

PabUK · 13th March 2002, 15:46

Yes I think letting her sit in prison is better. Quick painless death over long pointless existance is far too nice. Sure it is still not ideal, but I don't see how killing her off in such a nice way is justice.

Predatorsfan2000 · 13th March 2002, 16:05

"The only true justice would be to drown her slowly in a bath tub, with photographs of the faces of her children resting at the bottom. DIE BITCH DIE!"

No, that is not justice by any stretch of the imagination. That is primitive, beastly, uncivilized overreaction to a trial that the media has hyped up and you took the bait on. I could give a fuck what happens to her, but "an eye for an eye" is just animal instinct. Use logic, not emotion when you think of someone's life even if you hate them personally. I'm against the death penalty, but that has no bearing on what I said above.

Vica · 13th March 2002, 16:57

That articles leaves out the fact that even reporters and people from the general public who were there were shocked by the verdict. The facts presented in the case clearly show that this lady was sick.

she claims she heard voices in her head
doctors have examined her and agreed that she is sick
her husband and children knew she was sick, just not that bad
would she kill them without reason unless she was sick?

Lethal injection is painless but I feel she should spend the rest of her life in jail/mental institue, whether she is found guilty or not guilty.

Montana · 13th March 2002, 17:09

Quote:

Originally posted by Vica
Lethal injection is painless

how would you know if it's painless or not? have you tried it?
NO, coz then you'd be dead. don't talk bullshit vica

Vica · 13th March 2002, 17:39

Quote:

Originally posted by Montana38

how would you know if it's painless or not? have you tried it?
NO, coz then you'd be dead. don't talk bullshit vica

Quick description:
http://www.agitator.com/dp/methods/lethal.html

/both seem very peacefull

Montana · 13th March 2002, 18:09

no one can say that lethal injection is harmless,
do anyone know why no one can say that?

NukePeng · 13th March 2002, 18:18

Because of what you said above, you'd be dead. However there were test that proved it painless, wish i could give you proof. You think if they were expierincing pain the would show it.

As for the lady, i believe she should be made to suffer, i dont know how but prison is to good and death is an easy realase. Put her in a room with her childrens pictures, get her mental help. She could be cured and become a great person later in life. Who knows

fwgx · 13th March 2002, 18:32

Quote:

Originally posted by NukePeng
Because of what you said above, you'd be dead. However there were test that proved it painless, wish i could give you proof. You think if they were expierincing pain the would show it.

The first injection paralyses the victim so any pain or sufferig cannot be seen. They could be in the most excrusiating pain but can't show it. This make it easier for the onlookers and public in general to say it is quick and painless, easier for us stomach if you like.

NukePeng · 13th March 2002, 18:42

Ah, thank you. It appears i was misinformed

Merlin · 13th March 2002, 18:57

I would post my comments, but I have already commented on this issue here: http://www.pabuk.com/forums/index.ph...y;threadid=678

That's what we do over at those forums. Discuss things, in depth, as opposed to the Pepsi vs. Coke debate.

Vie · 13th March 2002, 19:30

sorry guys I take the MODERN christian vew the death penaulty is not the anser it dosent alow for new evidence or any chance of a repreave its a barbaric and inhumain practice.
however in this cace I am going towards "shes a total pshyicopath" and in such caces there isnt a big enough barge pole for me

Bilbo Baggins · 13th March 2002, 19:53

As I said at PabUK, what worse punishment could there be for any human being than to sit in a cell for the rest of their days with the knowledge that they killed their own children.

rm' · 13th March 2002, 19:57

That is assuming that this woman has remorse. Sorry Bilbo, but not everyone has a heart as big as yours.

Montana · 13th March 2002, 20:09

Quote:

Originally posted by Phily Baby
The first injection paralyses the victim so any pain or sufferig cannot be seen. They could be in the most excrusiating pain but can't show it. This make it easier for the onlookers and public in general to say it is quick and painless, easier for us stomach if you like.

the first injection is used so the ppl outside don't have to see the pain of a another man's/woman's death

HarryLime · 14th March 2002, 00:43

After reviewing the responses to my earlier outrage, I have come to the realization that perhaps my initial reaction was a bit harsh. I fully agree that the mentality of an "eye for an eye" is quite barbaric and inhumane; as is the death penalty in general, and also imprisonment. After all, what would locking her up for the rest of her life prove? Absolutely nothing. Perhaps an alternative solution needs to be put into motion, my purposal is as such; she should meet with a psychologist several times in order to assess her mental capacity and then be admitted to a fine collegiate institution (fully paid of course) wherein she will be mandated to enroll in courses which involve the philosophies of absolute moralism and ethical behavior of the human species. Upon completion of such an objective she will again be assessed and her remorse will be gauged. If she shows anguish and sorrow for her deeds, she will be let into the community once again. Where she can pursue happiness and live care-free with the thought that her actions have been civilly eradicated. I can almost see the smile on her face and the regret in her belly... now that's what I call justice!

rm' · 14th March 2002, 00:51

Clever, Bop. Unless some of you still don't get it, what Bop is 'suggesting' is that we lock up this woman until she says she's sorry. Because she said she's sorry, that somehow makes it magically all better, so it'd be ok to let her go. That sounds like a plan.

missyob · 14th March 2002, 01:03

As a parent of 3, I had/am having a really hard time with all of this. At first it was horror of a parent actually killing their children. Then sympathy for her mental problems. However, She took the time to drown each child separately. She had time to really think about what she did. It was not done in a rage of mental insanity, but was thought about. I have been told she chased her last child around the house until she finally caught him.

Part of me says kill her, what she has done is unthinkable, The christian side of me says that God will forgive her, and so should I.

~ Missy

Xerxes · 14th March 2002, 06:13

If I was president I'd attempt to telivise executions - hangin's specifically. With no commercial interuptions or cheesy computer graphics. Aired Preferably on PBS.

"This program is brought to you by...

The United States Judicial System, who would like to remind you not to kill your children, even if the devil tells you its OK"

And now, our featured presentation"

Execution of truly evil people used to be a time for celebration and social gathering. People need to see death- society lives too much for the present... and it has become too detached from consequences of their actions.

lil vixen · 14th March 2002, 07:08

Quote:

Originally posted by missyob
As a parent of 3, I had/am having a really hard time with all of this. At first it was horror of a parent actually killing their children. Then sympathy for her mental problems. However, She took the time to drown each child separately. She had time to really think about what she did. It was not done in a rage of mental insanity, but was thought about. I have been told she chased her last child around the house until she finally caught him.

Part of me says kill her, what she has done is unthinkable, The christian side of me says that God will forgive her, and so should I.

~ Missy

I have to agree being a mother of 3.
but i dont think she should be forgiven at all.
life in prison i dont think she deserves that .
i am all for the death penatly.
personally i think it should be used more in certain cases instead of tax payers feeding and clothing criminals till they fight the system so much and find some little thing to let them out on probation or what ever,
give them one appeal if that fails then let them die for what ever serious crime that have committed.
murder rape child molestion.
this is my opinion harsh it may be but
in 25 45 50 if they can get out will they or could they change?
i seriously doubt it..

KrunkedUp187 · 14th March 2002, 07:16

dont kill her, female jail would be a lot worse.

secondly, she was probably on one drug or another, which might inhibit her morals. for instance most mammals have no problem killing their young, cuz they have no morals. who would have really missed them? friends? they were young and prolly werent to commited, think about it

note: do u think she regrets it? if she does, do u think it matters?

Predatorsfan2000 · 14th March 2002, 07:20

"for instance most mammals have no problem killing their young, cuz they have no morals."

Not true. It is a trait of mammals to care for their young.

Xerxes · 14th March 2002, 07:27

Quote:

Originally posted by KrunkedUp187

secondly, she was probably on one drug or another, which might inhibit her morals.

If I just took heroin right now and stabbed you 20 times thinking you were an evil flesh demon from hell, would that change things?

excuses excuses excuses!
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!

lil vixen · 14th March 2002, 07:33

Quote:

Originally posted by Xerxes

If I just took heroin right now and stabbed you 20 times thinking you were an evil flesh demon from hell, would that change things?

excuses excuses excuses!
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!

well said...

KrunkedUp187 · 14th March 2002, 07:38

jeez im not defending her people. but i know that u can drink a whole lot and have no idea of what u did the next day. who knows?

Twilightseer · 14th March 2002, 08:14

Another horrible story. I just don't know what should be done about things like this.

Bop · 15th March 2002, 23:01

Woman convicted of drowning her 5 children gets life in prison and option for parole in 40 years.

Vica · 15th March 2002, 23:10

37 + 40 = 77 years old

Wow....life doesn't hold a lost of prospects right now for her. I could only imagine how sick she is and how she felt when she snapped back to reality after she killed her kids, thats if she's even back to reality at all.

Aeroe · 15th March 2002, 23:21

death penalty, i dunno... even though it's been shown to reduce murder

personally they should ship prisoners to do slave labor in mines. not watch sex and thc city and play basketball.

Ice · 16th March 2002, 02:32

an eye for an eye.. there wouldn't be many eyes left.

liquidmotion · 16th March 2002, 03:28

while she was holding him under water, he was trying to say: "I'm sorry."

fuck man, that is some kinda fucked up bullshit. *tear*

feroxis · 16th March 2002, 03:32

As Boplicity has stated, and returning somewhat to the original topic, Andrea Yates was not given the death penalty (apparently due to lingering doubts in many jurors over whether or not she poses a future danger to society). I guess, the way they see it, as long as they don't let her out of prison before she can have any more kids, the world is safe from her.

A truly disturbing case - who can say what the "right" thing to do in such a situation is? There's nothing that will avenge the deaths, and this woman may be a loose nut anyway. And, even if she is treatable, there's no pill they can give her to erase what she's done.

Then again, if you were truly criminally insane, or a flavor thereof, I would think that one of the worst punishments imaginable would be to make you realize what you've done - and then force you to live with it. Could you live with yourself if you discovered that you killed five of your own children?

Where are the answers here? And what questions should we truly be asking ourselves? Should she be killed? Punished behind bars? Treated/reformed? The only one of these options with a certain result is death. And I ask again: which would you prefer? To live with that horrifying epiphany of your actions past? Or die never needing to face the truth, in something like blissful ignorance?

13th March 2002, 14:49	#1
HarryLime Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: WWII Vienna Posts: 40	Justice has been served! Woman found guilty of drowning her five children.

13th March 2002, 14:59	#3
Montana Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SÃ¶dertÃ¤lje, Sweden Posts: 1,058	NO! i don't care if she drowned 15 kids, death penalty is not the answer, it's not humane (and yes i know, it's wasn't humane for the kids who got got drowned but still) and it doesn't solve anything batman

13th March 2002, 15:03	#4
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13th March 2002, 15:31	#5
PabUK Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: .com/munity Posts: 1,278	I disagree with such a sentence, as the guilty party gets off lightly in these extreme cases. Capital punishment discussion: http://www.pabuk.com/forums/index.ph...y;threadid=630 Mother guilty of murdering 5 children discussion: http://www.pabuk.com/forums/index.ph...y;threadid=678 In support of aggressive sex with llamas, and freedom from the obligation to explain. Pawhosting.com \| Pawsoft.com \| Pawdesign.com \| PabUK.com

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13th March 2002, 15:34	#6
HarryLime Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: WWII Vienna Posts: 40	You think letting her sit in a prison is a solution? They get three meals a day, a roof over their head, access to a library, and options to leave every few years. FUCK THAT LIBERAL BULLSHIT! The death penalty is a delightful solution for demented bastards who act with no morals and pursue activities in which human suffering and loss is the result. The only true justice would be to drown her slowly in a bath tub, with photographs of the faces of her children resting at the bottom. DIE BITCH DIE!

13th March 2002, 16:05	#8
Predatorsfan2000 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 234	"The only true justice would be to drown her slowly in a bath tub, with photographs of the faces of her children resting at the bottom. DIE BITCH DIE!" No, that is not justice by any stretch of the imagination. That is primitive, beastly, uncivilized overreaction to a trial that the media has hyped up and you took the bait on. I could give a fuck what happens to her, but "an eye for an eye" is just animal instinct. Use logic, not emotion when you think of someone's life even if you hate them personally. I'm against the death penalty, but that has no bearing on what I said above.

13th March 2002, 16:57	#9
Vica Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: St. Vincent & the Grenadines Posts: 872	That articles leaves out the fact that even reporters and people from the general public who were there were shocked by the verdict. The facts presented in the case clearly show that this lady was sick. she claims she heard voices in her head doctors have examined her and agreed that she is sick her husband and children knew she was sick, just not that bad would she kill them without reason unless she was sick? Lethal injection is painless but I feel she should spend the rest of her life in jail/mental institue, whether she is found guilty or not guilty. Website: Template vbulletin skins by exaltic.com[size=0.75] Skins/Coding: D-Shock, Nebular, Triton [/size]

13th March 2002, 18:09	#12
Montana Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SÃ¶dertÃ¤lje, Sweden Posts: 1,058	no one can say that lethal injection is harmless, do anyone know why no one can say that? batman

13th March 2002, 18:18	#13
NukePeng Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: an irradiated iceberg Posts: 206	Because of what you said above, you'd be dead. However there were test that proved it painless, wish i could give you proof. You think if they were expierincing pain the would show it. As for the lady, i believe she should be made to suffer, i dont know how but prison is to good and death is an easy realase. Put her in a room with her childrens pictures, get her mental help. She could be cured and become a great person later in life. Who knows

13th March 2002, 18:42	#15
NukePeng Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: an irradiated iceberg Posts: 206	Ah, thank you. It appears i was misinformed

13th March 2002, 18:57	#16
Merlin ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,209	I would post my comments, but I have already commented on this issue here: http://www.pabuk.com/forums/index.ph...y;threadid=678 That's what we do over at those forums. Discuss things, in depth, as opposed to the Pepsi vs. Coke debate. as he faced the sun, he cast no shadow __________________

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Vie Forum King Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Thoron fields and Duranium shadows. Posts: Crap mostly Posts: 8,003	sorry guys I take the MODERN christian vew the death penaulty is not the anser it dosent alow for new evidence or any chance of a repreave its a barbaric and inhumain practice. however in this cace I am going towards "shes a total pshyicopath" and in such caces there isnt a big enough barge pole for me Member most in need of SpellCheck Lifetime Achievement Award I'm a Twitch Streamer these days, it's weird.

13th March 2002, 19:53	#18
Bilbo Baggins Wind Chime of the Apocalypse Join Date: May 2000 Location: The Forest Posts: 17,228	As I said at PabUK, what worse punishment could there be for any human being than to sit in a cell for the rest of their days with the knowledge that they killed their own children.

13th March 2002, 19:57	#19
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	That is assuming that this woman has remorse. Sorry Bilbo, but not everyone has a heart as big as yours.

14th March 2002, 00:43	#21
HarryLime Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: WWII Vienna Posts: 40	After reviewing the responses to my earlier outrage, I have come to the realization that perhaps my initial reaction was a bit harsh. I fully agree that the mentality of an "eye for an eye" is quite barbaric and inhumane; as is the death penalty in general, and also imprisonment. After all, what would locking her up for the rest of her life prove? Absolutely nothing. Perhaps an alternative solution needs to be put into motion, my purposal is as such; she should meet with a psychologist several times in order to assess her mental capacity and then be admitted to a fine collegiate institution (fully paid of course) wherein she will be mandated to enroll in courses which involve the philosophies of absolute moralism and ethical behavior of the human species. Upon completion of such an objective she will again be assessed and her remorse will be gauged. If she shows anguish and sorrow for her deeds, she will be let into the community once again. Where she can pursue happiness and live care-free with the thought that her actions have been civilly eradicated. I can almost see the smile on her face and the regret in her belly... now that's what I call justice!

14th March 2002, 00:51	#22
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	Clever, Bop. Unless some of you still don't get it, what Bop is 'suggesting' is that we lock up this woman until she says she's sorry. Because she said she's sorry, that somehow makes it magically all better, so it'd be ok to let her go. That sounds like a plan.

14th March 2002, 01:03	#23
missyob Angel of Winamp Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Winamp House Posts: 4,578	As a parent of 3, I had/am having a really hard time with all of this. At first it was horror of a parent actually killing their children. Then sympathy for her mental problems. However, She took the time to drown each child separately. She had time to really think about what she did. It was not done in a rage of mental insanity, but was thought about. I have been told she chased her last child around the house until she finally caught him. Part of me says kill her, what she has done is unthinkable, The christian side of me says that God will forgive her, and so should I. ~ Missy

14th March 2002, 06:13	#24
Xerxes Capitalist Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: my 4 Houses on Park Place Posts: 8,688	If I was president I'd attempt to telivise executions - hangin's specifically. With no commercial interuptions or cheesy computer graphics. Aired Preferably on PBS. "This program is brought to you by... The United States Judicial System, who would like to remind you not to kill your children, even if the devil tells you its OK" And now, our featured presentation" Execution of truly evil people used to be a time for celebration and social gathering. People need to see death- society lives too much for the present... and it has become too detached from consequences of their actions.

14th March 2002, 07:16	#26
KrunkedUp187 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Philly, PA, USA Posts: 279	dont kill her, female jail would be a lot worse. secondly, she was probably on one drug or another, which might inhibit her morals. for instance most mammals have no problem killing their young, cuz they have no morals. who would have really missed them? friends? they were young and prolly werent to commited, think about it note: do u think she regrets it? if she does, do u think it matters? Alpha Pi Lambda Fraternity... never dry, baby... i get laid more than fritos - Ludacris

14th March 2002, 07:20	#27
Predatorsfan2000 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 234	"for instance most mammals have no problem killing their young, cuz they have no morals." Not true. It is a trait of mammals to care for their young.

14th March 2002, 07:38	#30
KrunkedUp187 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Philly, PA, USA Posts: 279	jeez im not defending her people. but i know that u can drink a whole lot and have no idea of what u did the next day. who knows? Alpha Pi Lambda Fraternity... never dry, baby... i get laid more than fritos - Ludacris

14th March 2002, 08:14	#31
Twilightseer Frenchoderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Lavabo, fond du couloir, 3è porte à droite Posts: 6,309	Another horrible story. I just don't know what should be done about things like this.

15th March 2002, 23:01	#32
Bop Forum King Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,884	Woman convicted of drowning her 5 children gets life in prison and option for parole in 40 years. ßoþL¡©¡†¥

15th March 2002, 23:10	#33
Vica Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: St. Vincent & the Grenadines Posts: 872	37 + 40 = 77 years old Wow....life doesn't hold a lost of prospects right now for her. I could only imagine how sick she is and how she felt when she snapped back to reality after she killed her kids, thats if she's even back to reality at all. Website: Template vbulletin skins by exaltic.com[size=0.75] Skins/Coding: D-Shock, Nebular, Triton [/size]

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Aeroe Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Assembly Hall Posts: 1,446	death penalty, i dunno... even though it's been shown to reduce murder personally they should ship prisoners to do slave labor in mines. not watch sex and thc city and play basketball.

16th March 2002, 02:32	#35
Ice Moderator Alumni Americas Favorite Smut Peddler Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sun Prarie, WI Posts: 3,303	an eye for an eye.. there wouldn't be many eyes left. I'd like to meet a mad man who makes it all seem sane To work out all these troubles and what there is to gain

16th March 2002, 03:28	#36
liquidmotion Smokes Two Joints Beta Team Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: SFBA Posts: 3,680	while she was holding him under water, he was trying to say: "I'm sorry." fuck man, that is some kinda fucked up bullshit. tear For a good time: shup \| stashbox \| my homepage

16th March 2002, 03:32	#37
feroxis Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ole Miss Posts: 58	As Boplicity has stated, and returning somewhat to the original topic, Andrea Yates was not given the death penalty (apparently due to lingering doubts in many jurors over whether or not she poses a future danger to society). I guess, the way they see it, as long as they don't let her out of prison before she can have any more kids, the world is safe from her. A truly disturbing case - who can say what the "right" thing to do in such a situation is? There's nothing that will avenge the deaths, and this woman may be a loose nut anyway. And, even if she is treatable, there's no pill they can give her to erase what she's done. Then again, if you were truly criminally insane, or a flavor thereof, I would think that one of the worst punishments imaginable would be to make you realize what you've done - and then force you to live with it. Could you live with yourself if you discovered that you killed five of your own children? Where are the answers here? And what questions should we truly be asking ourselves? Should she be killed? Punished behind bars? Treated/reformed? The only one of these options with a certain result is death. And I ask again: which would you prefer? To live with that horrifying epiphany of your actions past? Or die never needing to face the truth, in something like blissful ignorance?

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