Record companies to block cd copying to mp3

mattyTinoz · 20th April 2002, 06:16

Hello Everyone,

I am currently living in Sydney for a year and have just read some rather disturbing news. Aparently Sony has developed some new technology to stop there music cds working in computers and dvd players. This was apperently tested on the recent celine dion album. Computers can't play the cds and it causes them to crash!

They rekon it will be the end of copying cds and the end of mp3s, anyone know any ways to get around this because i have only just bought a 500 pound mp3 player for my car and what right do they have to stop me copying cds which i buy on to my computer.

I would be interested in hearing what you guys think and if any software is being developed to get around this.

Cheers Guys,

Matt

Thompsonbollox@hotmail.com

Does this spell the end of

I hope not

Kenny D. · 20th April 2002, 07:05

First off I know nothing of the technicalities of audio. But I would bet there will be ways around it. At the very least it would seem one could input the feed from the player into their pc. Most likely loose some sound quality that way. Someone will find a way with minimal loss. Sony or whoever can control the CD format but they can`t control the actual sound. I wouldn`t worry about it being the end of mp3s. Would be as hard to stop them as a herd of wild horses.
If you buy the CD you should be able to copy it. Legally it would probably be like copyrighted text. You could not distribute it without permission, especially not for profit.

Bizznatch · 20th April 2002, 07:17

Stopping mp3s from being ripped from CDs is IMPOSSIBLE, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY record companies can stop this. All anyone has to do is hook up a portable CD player to the Micorphone or Line In on any sound card and record an mp3 from that. When will they ever learn?

SSJ4 Gogitta · 20th April 2002, 07:23

They wont and cant learn.

if it can be heard, it can be recorded. simple as that.

I love Ockham'z Razor.

liquidmotion · 20th April 2002, 07:29

just take an output from a cd player or mixer to your computer. dont really lose any quality.

problem solved

baafie · 20th April 2002, 08:44

It is their music. They can do whatever they want. In legal aspect, anyway.

c2R · 20th April 2002, 09:24

I read acout it in Computer Weekly (on teh back page). If I ever come across any CDs like this they're going straight back to the shop, as I don't in fact own a CD player - just the computer.

This is because I mainly listen to vinyl or mp3, so have a record player, radio, and computer connected to my amplifyer unit. Therefore if a CD I buy won't play in the computer it's not fit for the purpose which I bought it for so it can be returned to the shop.

If everyone does the same (which I know is just pie in the sky) then the record companies would have to issue standards CDs again.

apollos · 20th April 2002, 09:33

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4_Gogitta
They wont and cant learn.

if it can be heard, it can be recorded. simple as that.

I love Ockham'z Razor.

Exactly! So why bother messing around and wasting a frotune on something that can be hacked the next day!? Its pointless, they lose money and we all get pissed off so its a lose lose sistuation!

will · 20th April 2002, 09:38

the first time somehthing like this was tried in the uk, there were so many complaintes about CD's that didn't work in CD-Rom drives, that the record company offered replacements.

johndoof · 20th April 2002, 10:21

1) Right: There´ll be always a way to record audio and get wav/mp3 file from it..

2) mp3s are sucha good way to promote an unknown band like mine

3) As a band you don´t earn any $ until you sold a large amount of CDs (depends on the contract, but it´s normally about 50.000 CDs), cause you get only 6-12% profit for a sold CD, and you have to pay back costs for music video, advertising etc. (it´s nearly impossible to get a video on the screen with costs less than 50.000 $ - that´s ´the double of average costs of a professional CD recording and production)

http://janedoe.de
download our mp3s, copy it, copy it, copy it
it´s 128 kpbs - but it´s for free!

Vie · 20th April 2002, 10:54

Quote:

Stopping mp3s from being ripped from CDs is IMPOSSIBLE, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY record companies can stop this. All anyone has to do is hook up a portable CD player to the Micorphone or Line In on any sound card and record an mp3 from that. When will they ever learn?

Bizz you took the words right out of my mouth, er can I have my teath back now

Atmo · 20th April 2002, 10:59

Quote:

Originally posted by c2R
If everyone does the same (which I know is just pie in the sky) then the record companies would have to issue standards CDs again.

I wouldnt stand for it too...

If i bought a cd that was like that i'd complain....because it's the owners right to be able to make a backup of the original.

Bizzeh · 20th April 2002, 11:48

there will always be software to get round it... and sony will have the courts after them because so many people only use there PC's to listen to CDDA... because technicly they stoping people form listning to music...

GoldenSphynx · 20th April 2002, 13:49

U no wat just screw sony and their new cd block....i garantee that there is a way to rip off of em without losin any quality...all it needs is a person whose willin to do some trial and error

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20th April 2002, 06:16	#1
mattyTinoz Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1	Record companies to block cd copying to mp3 Hello Everyone, I am currently living in Sydney for a year and have just read some rather disturbing news. Aparently Sony has developed some new technology to stop there music cds working in computers and dvd players. This was apperently tested on the recent celine dion album. Computers can't play the cds and it causes them to crash! They rekon it will be the end of copying cds and the end of mp3s, anyone know any ways to get around this because i have only just bought a 500 pound mp3 player for my car and what right do they have to stop me copying cds which i buy on to my computer. I would be interested in hearing what you guys think and if any software is being developed to get around this. Cheers Guys, Matt Thompsonbollox@hotmail.com Does this spell the end of I hope not

20th April 2002, 07:05	#2
Kenny D. Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SC Posts: 447	First off I know nothing of the technicalities of audio. But I would bet there will be ways around it. At the very least it would seem one could input the feed from the player into their pc. Most likely loose some sound quality that way. Someone will find a way with minimal loss. Sony or whoever can control the CD format but they can`t control the actual sound. I wouldn`t worry about it being the end of mp3s. Would be as hard to stop them as a herd of wild horses. If you buy the CD you should be able to copy it. Legally it would probably be like copyrighted text. You could not distribute it without permission, especially not for profit. coolkenny - "You don`t waste time ; Time wastes you" LEAPIN LIZARDS \| PHASE - B \| Swampy \| ULTRA

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20th April 2002, 09:24	#7
c2R Stereotype? (Forum King) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ware, England Posts: 3,511	I read acout it in Computer Weekly (on teh back page). If I ever come across any CDs like this they're going straight back to the shop, as I don't in fact own a CD player - just the computer. This is because I mainly listen to vinyl or mp3, so have a record player, radio, and computer connected to my amplifyer unit. Therefore if a CD I buy won't play in the computer it's not fit for the purpose which I bought it for so it can be returned to the shop. If everyone does the same (which I know is just pie in the sky) then the record companies would have to issue standards CDs again. lights out for darker skies # forums.winamp.com boinc team # tms

20th April 2002, 07:17	#3
Bizznatch Forum King Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 4,180	Stopping mp3s from being ripped from CDs is IMPOSSIBLE, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY record companies can stop this. All anyone has to do is hook up a portable CD player to the Micorphone or Line In on any sound card and record an mp3 from that. When will they ever learn?

20th April 2002, 07:23	#4
SSJ4 Gogitta Followed by Gnomes (Forum King) Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: West Virginia Googolplex: 10^10¹°° FB:/SSJ4.DominusDeus DeviantArt: DominusDeus XboX GT: A Wild Meeseeks Playstation 4: DominusDeus Posts: 7,162	They wont and cant learn. if it can be heard, it can be recorded. simple as that. I love Ockham'z Razor.

20th April 2002, 08:44	#6
baafie feminazi (Major Dude) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,767	It is their music. They can do whatever they want. In legal aspect, anyway.

20th April 2002, 09:38	#9
will Nullsoft Newbie (Moderator) Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 5,569	the first time somehthing like this was tried in the uk, there were so many complaintes about CD's that didn't work in CD-Rom drives, that the record company offered replacements. DO NOT PM ME WITH TECH SUPPORT QUESTIONS

20th April 2002, 10:21	#10
johndoof Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: osnabrueck / germany Posts: 16	1) Right: There´ll be always a way to record audio and get wav/mp3 file from it.. 2) mp3s are sucha good way to promote an unknown band like mine 3) As a band you don´t earn any $ until you sold a large amount of CDs (depends on the contract, but it´s normally about 50.000 CDs), cause you get only 6-12% profit for a sold CD, and you have to pay back costs for music video, advertising etc. (it´s nearly impossible to get a video on the screen with costs less than 50.000 $ - that´s ´the double of average costs of a professional CD recording and production) http://janedoe.de download our mp3s, copy it, copy it, copy it it´s 128 kpbs - but it´s for free!

20th April 2002, 11:48	#13
Bizzeh Forum Pirate Beta Team Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 2,032	there will always be software to get round it... and sony will have the courts after them because so many people only use there PC's to listen to CDDA... because technicly they stoping people form listning to music... Wap Server For Winamp 5 :: Kill All The Humans :: Blackpool Hotels

20th April 2002, 13:49	#14
GoldenSphynx Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,738	U no wat just screw sony and their new cd block....i garantee that there is a way to rip off of em without losin any quality...all it needs is a person whose willin to do some trial and error

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