my skin 10368 is NOT a rip!

sir_qwerty · 14th July 2002, 13:49

Someone has requested my skin ID 10368 to be removed from database - he/she thought that it is a rip. I say: it is NOT! Its completely my work except cursors and two or three small elements used from PipBoy2000 (ID 4162) >>>BUT!!! Author of this skin Gerko Van Nes allowed me to use them!!! I got the permission from him:

==========Gerko's mail from 2nd March 2000=========
... Ok... no problem...

you might want to do something about some of those sursors of mine,
not all those "extra" marks look that good,
but that main arrow is actually a direct copy from the one in the game,
at least it should be, since I cut and pasted it into a cursor program..

oh well..

Good luck,
and I'm looking forward to see your complete skin.

-Gerko
=====================================================

So please DO NOT UNSUBMITT my skin again and again and again. Thank you.

Atmo · 14th July 2002, 14:03

This should have been posted in the removal appeal thread. Perhaps a mod will merge it.

Back to the topic....

Two or three small elements?? Looks like yours is a modification of the original. In fact it's hard to tell them apart at first glance, only displaying both skins side by side do the differences start to show. The backgrounds are almost identical, your skin looks just like the other one with a few extra bits stuck on.

Also that email doesnt mean anything. By the sounds of it, he's talking about cursors, not a complete skin.

Atmo · 14th July 2002, 14:25

In order to clear this up as quickly as possible, i have sent an email to the author of PipBoy2000 to see if you had permission.

sir_qwerty · 14th July 2002, 15:58

Ok, if you don't believe... I hope he will prove my innocence. Maybe these two skins look similar, but the case is somewhere else.. they are based up on the "Fallout" game by Interplay and all elements used in this skin are extracted from original game graphics. But if you look closer (using magnifying glas) you'll find out that buttons, screens,sliders or tiny green lights are completely different. Mine are smoother and darker..
If you are interested, I can forward you all emails from March 2000 of mine and Gerko.

Wildrose-Wally · 14th July 2002, 16:27

Don't bother with your emails, even if you win and it is not a rip, it can be deemed a duplicate since they are so close together, and still be deleted. You might want to try to skin something someone else has not already done.

Quote:

Avoid skins that already have been done by someone else, be it in a slightly different form. For example, there are more than enough skins of Homer’s brain, we don’t need any more.

sir_qwerty · 14th July 2002, 20:12

OK, this seems to be GREAT example of your famous American democracy
>

Maybe I wanted to offer something little different to all Fallout fans. I didn't find PipBoy 2000 skin "top quality" so I decided to do the job by myself. And many many thankful emails have proven the success.

Maybe you decided to remove my skin as an duplicate because it had been posted later than PipBoy. But why after such a long time? After two years? My skin was quite succesfull without any bad public comments. So I would be happy if you could leave it alive.

Mr Jones · 14th July 2002, 20:16

Quote:

Originally posted by sir_qwerty
OK, this seems to be GREAT example of your famous American democracy
>

I find that quite amusing, given that everyone who has posted in this thread so far, Atmo,Wally and now me are about as non-American as you can get

/goes back to sleep..

Namelessv1 · 14th July 2002, 22:03

If you wanted to offer something a little different, you should have made a skin that was a little different. Not take a skin, slap some stuff on it, and call it a little different.

Quote:

I find that quite amusing, given that everyone who has posted in this thread so far, Atmo,Wally and now me are about as non-American as you can get

I guess I'm the first American, then.

sir_qwerty · 15th July 2002, 07:32

Okey, once again: I STARTED MAKING THIS SKIN FROM SCRATCH and haven't used anything from PipBoy 2000 except cursor files which I got Gerko's permission for.
Please take a look at these ones:

27781
63333

Would you remove them? Oh yes, you should! They are useless!

This is quite comical discussion.

sHoTTiE · 15th July 2002, 07:57

Quote:

Originally posted by sir_qwerty
Okey, once again: I STARTED MAKING THIS SKIN FROM SCRATCH and haven't used anything from PipBoy 2000 except cursor files which I got Gerko's permission for.

thought u said "cursors and two or three small elements"

Atmo · 15th July 2002, 08:00

Both of them seem to be sufficently different from PipBoy2000.

Youre also contradicting yourself here...You stated in your first post that you only used two or three elements plus cursors, now your saying its just the cursors you used.

[edit] Dontchya hate it when someones typing at the same time as you are.

[/edit]

sHoTTiE · 15th July 2002, 08:02

i think i mentioned that

hmm.. gotta admit 63333's cbuttons look pretty similiar, but the rest looks pretty different. btw, anyone have a ss of #10368, seems it already has been removed.

Atmo · 15th July 2002, 08:14

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews....OT=C&rOI=10368

sHoTTiE · 15th July 2002, 08:20

Killer Dominican gave it
perfect posted on April 7, 2002 @ 1:47 AM
the perfect skin for all fallout fans, resembles the PiPBoy exactly =)

lol, dats pretty damn similiar

sir_qwerty · 15th July 2002, 09:30

Hmm, ok, first time I talked about using "two or three small elements" i was wrong. Please take these words as correction:

"I used only cursor files from PipBoy2000. Other element is those two small wires next to the PREV button on main window. Taken from skin by Mr.Jaden and I got permission from him too."

OK? Everyone is sometimes wrong. And this is two years old case.
Everything else has been cut'n'pasted from game screenshots (dialog screens,options screen, load/save game screen)...

But U all seem to be definitely decided to remove my skin from database for good. I cannot say more for my defence. I worked hard on this component and didn't break any Winamp.com rules valid in year 2000.
Additionally, study well file_id.diz packed together with skin files in archive.

Wildrose-Wally · 15th July 2002, 11:09

when you get word back from the original author, just do according to what he says. And then in 2 years someone else will go through it all over again, because someone else will report it as a rip.

Mr qwerty, if you have permissions from the original authors, mention those in both the skin description and the readme files.

sir_qwerty · 15th July 2002, 11:26

Wally: you can find this section in file_id.diz:

Special thanks:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
* Mr. Jaden (jaden@ufl.ed) for permission to modify some of his
original Fallout-skin elements.
* Mr. Gerko (gerko2077@hotmail.com) for permission to use
his cursors from PipBoy 2000 skin; particular playlist design
idea.
* Mr. Timp (timp@chat.ru) for inspiration.
* Interplay (Mutants for Mutants

http://www.interplay.com
* Black Isle team - http://www.fallout2.com
* No Mutants Allowed site - http://fallout.gamestats.com
* Adobe Systems, Inc.

If it helps, I can rename file_id.diz to readme.txt (it will be viewable in Winamp skin browser) and mention the permission in your database - skin description. Then the submission should be OK..?

StillWater · 15th July 2002, 20:12

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Jones

I find that quite amusing, given that everyone who has posted in this thread so far, Atmo,Wally and now me are about as non-American as you can get

/goes back to sleep..

Three Anglos from three Anglo nations which all have such massive cultural, historical, and political links with America - about as non-American as you can get? Compared to whom? other Anglos? Come off it.
That's all, just had to add my 2 cents to this

J. Burnaway · 15th July 2002, 22:03

Quote:

Originally posted by sir_qwerty
OK, this seems to be GREAT example of your famous American democracy

Um, what does democracy have to do with plagarism?

Wildrose-Wally · 15th July 2002, 23:10

Quote:

Originally posted by sir_qwerty
If it helps, I can rename file_id.diz to readme.txt (it will be viewable in Winamp skin browser) and mention the permission in your database - skin description. Then the submission should be OK..?

Readme.txt is better, more people will be able to read it. Credits and permissions in the description help out the reviewer, who will know right away that permission is given for borrowed elements.

sHoTTiE · 16th July 2002, 01:31

well.. even if it isnt a rip

Quote:

Avoid skins that already have been done by someone else, be it in a slightly different form. For example, there are more than enough skins of Homer’s brain, we don’t need any more.

i think that sums it up.

sir_qwerty · 16th July 2002, 07:27

=============================
Avoid skins that already have been done by someone else, be it in a slightly different form. For example, there are more than enough skins of Homer’s brain, we don’t need any more.
=============================

but was this told in 2000? You store heaps of shit in the database, totally useless components with no visible work on it (skins generated by some skinning app from cheap bitmap) and now you are trying to clean your db out of regular ones.

sir wally has understood.smartie.
sHoTTiE has not. arrest me for plagiarism I didn't commit.

Wildrose-Wally · 16th July 2002, 07:37

Seems to me this matter is resolved for now, can we have a lock please.

--------------------Cut Here-----------------------------------

sHoTTiE · 16th July 2002, 07:41

------------------------tape----------------------------
never said you ripped, its too similiar to tell
------------------------cut-----------------------------

Atmo · 21st July 2002, 14:57

Email from gerko:

Quote:

Yes, it's true, I have given permission to the author of that skin to use some components from my skin. (specifically : the mouse cursors)

Further similarities between these two skins can be explained because they are both based on the same Computer Game. ("Fallout" by Interplay)

Please don't consider it a rip.

-Gerko

So we have confirmation that no rip occurred.

Im still in agreeance with wally that it can be deemed a duplicate however.

skinme! · 21st July 2002, 15:51

I'm not gonna try and talk the moral highground / righteous path / whatever you may wanna call it. However, if it were my skins database, which clearly is not - I could not finance nor put in the effort required to maintain and sustain it, I would allow this skin. If I were looking for a skin based on the game, Fallout, I would welcome competition - it leads to better skins (and lower prices). Also, the focus should be and rightly is on deleting rips and incomplete skins (except where they were produced before certain components were introduced).

sir_qwerty · 26th July 2002, 10:51

I have removed all obsolete skins and tried to submit fixed version of Vault-tec skin (with all necessaries) but it still remains "UNSUBMITTED". What's wrong I ask?

Atmo · 26th July 2002, 11:51

Unsubmitted or unpublished?

sir_qwerty · 26th July 2002, 14:06

Oh dear, you're right! The right word is UNPUBLISHED. Does it mean that it is waiting for reviewing?

StillWater · 26th July 2002, 14:50

Yes. It can take from about 3 to 8 weeks to get reviewed and published.

14th July 2002, 14:03	#2
Atmo The Freak (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 9,400	This should have been posted in the removal appeal thread. Perhaps a mod will merge it. Back to the topic.... Two or three small elements?? Looks like yours is a modification of the original. In fact it's hard to tell them apart at first glance, only displaying both skins side by side do the differences start to show. The backgrounds are almost identical, your skin looks just like the other one with a few extra bits stuck on. Also that email doesnt mean anything. By the sounds of it, he's talking about cursors, not a complete skin. :Psykotech:

14th July 2002, 14:25	#3
Atmo The Freak (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 9,400	In order to clear this up as quickly as possible, i have sent an email to the author of PipBoy2000 to see if you had permission. :Psykotech:

15th July 2002, 08:00	#11
Atmo The Freak (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 9,400	Both of them seem to be sufficently different from PipBoy2000. Youre also contradicting yourself here...You stated in your first post that you only used two or three elements plus cursors, now your saying its just the cursors you used. [edit] Dontchya hate it when someones typing at the same time as you are. [/edit] :Psykotech:

15th July 2002, 08:02	#12
sHoTTiE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 219	i think i mentioned that hmm.. gotta admit 63333's cbuttons look pretty similiar, but the rest looks pretty different. btw, anyone have a ss of #10368, seems it already has been removed. Last edited by sHoTTiE; 15th July 2002 at 08:26.

15th July 2002, 08:14	#13
Atmo The Freak (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 9,400	http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews....OT=C&rOI=10368 :Psykotech:

14th July 2002, 13:49	#1
sir_qwerty Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 12	my skin 10368 is NOT a rip! Someone has requested my skin ID 10368 to be removed from database - he/she thought that it is a rip. I say: it is NOT! Its completely my work except cursors and two or three small elements used from PipBoy2000 (ID 4162) >>>BUT!!! Author of this skin Gerko Van Nes allowed me to use them!!! I got the permission from him: ==========Gerko's mail from 2nd March 2000========= ... Ok... no problem... you might want to do something about some of those sursors of mine, not all those "extra" marks look that good, but that main arrow is actually a direct copy from the one in the game, at least it should be, since I cut and pasted it into a cursor program.. oh well.. Good luck, and I'm looking forward to see your complete skin. -Gerko ===================================================== So please DO NOT UNSUBMITT my skin again and again and again. Thank you.

14th July 2002, 15:58	#4
sir_qwerty Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 12	Ok, if you don't believe... I hope he will prove my innocence. Maybe these two skins look similar, but the case is somewhere else.. they are based up on the "Fallout" game by Interplay and all elements used in this skin are extracted from original game graphics. But if you look closer (using magnifying glas) you'll find out that buttons, screens,sliders or tiny green lights are completely different. Mine are smoother and darker.. If you are interested, I can forward you all emails from March 2000 of mine and Gerko.

14th July 2002, 20:12	#6
sir_qwerty Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 12	OK, this seems to be GREAT example of your famous American democracy > Maybe I wanted to offer something little different to all Fallout fans. I didn't find PipBoy 2000 skin "top quality" so I decided to do the job by myself. And many many thankful emails have proven the success. Maybe you decided to remove my skin as an duplicate because it had been posted later than PipBoy. But why after such a long time? After two years? My skin was quite succesfull without any bad public comments. So I would be happy if you could leave it alive.

15th July 2002, 07:32	#9
sir_qwerty Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 12	Okey, once again: I STARTED MAKING THIS SKIN FROM SCRATCH and haven't used anything from PipBoy 2000 except cursor files which I got Gerko's permission for. Please take a look at these ones: 27781 63333 Would you remove them? Oh yes, you should! They are useless! This is quite comical discussion.

15th July 2002, 08:20	#14
sHoTTiE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 219	Killer Dominican gave it perfect posted on April 7, 2002 @ 1:47 AM the perfect skin for all fallout fans, resembles the PiPBoy exactly =) lol, dats pretty damn similiar

15th July 2002, 09:30	#15
sir_qwerty Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 12	Hmm, ok, first time I talked about using "two or three small elements" i was wrong. Please take these words as correction: "I used only cursor files from PipBoy2000. Other element is those two small wires next to the PREV button on main window. Taken from skin by Mr.Jaden and I got permission from him too." OK? Everyone is sometimes wrong. And this is two years old case. Everything else has been cut'n'pasted from game screenshots (dialog screens,options screen, load/save game screen)... But U all seem to be definitely decided to remove my skin from database for good. I cannot say more for my defence. I worked hard on this component and didn't break any Winamp.com rules valid in year 2000. Additionally, study well file_id.diz packed together with skin files in archive.

15th July 2002, 11:09	#16
Wildrose-Wally The Albertan Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sunny Southern Alberta Posts: 6,132	Atmo: when you get word back from the original author, just do according to what he says. And then in 2 years someone else will go through it all over again, because someone else will report it as a rip. Mr qwerty, if you have permissions from the original authors, mention those in both the skin description and the readme files.

15th July 2002, 11:26	#17
sir_qwerty Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 12	Wally: you can find this section in file_id.diz: Special thanks: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Mr. Jaden (jaden@ufl.ed) for permission to modify some of his original Fallout-skin elements. * Mr. Gerko (gerko2077@hotmail.com) for permission to use his cursors from PipBoy 2000 skin; particular playlist design idea. * Mr. Timp (timp@chat.ru) for inspiration. * Interplay (Mutants for Mutants http://www.interplay.com * Black Isle team - http://www.fallout2.com * No Mutants Allowed site - http://fallout.gamestats.com * Adobe Systems, Inc. If it helps, I can rename file_id.diz to readme.txt (it will be viewable in Winamp skin browser) and mention the permission in your database - skin description. Then the submission should be OK..?

16th July 2002, 07:27	#22
sir_qwerty Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 12	============================= Avoid skins that already have been done by someone else, be it in a slightly different form. For example, there are more than enough skins of Homer’s brain, we don’t need any more. ============================= but was this told in 2000? You store heaps of shit in the database, totally useless components with no visible work on it (skins generated by some skinning app from cheap bitmap) and now you are trying to clean your db out of regular ones. sir wally has understood.smartie. sHoTTiE has not. arrest me for plagiarism I didn't commit.

16th July 2002, 07:37	#23
Wildrose-Wally The Albertan Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sunny Southern Alberta Posts: 6,132	Seems to me this matter is resolved for now, can we have a lock please. --------------------Cut Here-----------------------------------

16th July 2002, 07:41	#24
sHoTTiE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 219	------------------------tape---------------------------- never said you ripped, its too similiar to tell ------------------------cut-----------------------------

21st July 2002, 15:51	#26
skinme! Forum King Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Website: skinme.net Posts: 3,352	I'm not gonna try and talk the moral highground / righteous path / whatever you may wanna call it. However, if it were my skins database, which clearly is not - I could not finance nor put in the effort required to maintain and sustain it, I would allow this skin. If I were looking for a skin based on the game, Fallout, I would welcome competition - it leads to better skins (and lower prices). Also, the focus should be and rightly is on deleting rips and incomplete skins (except where they were produced before certain components were introduced). He had decided to live forever, or die in the attempt In America - a must see film

26th July 2002, 10:51	#27
sir_qwerty Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 12	I have removed all obsolete skins and tried to submit fixed version of Vault-tec skin (with all necessaries) but it still remains "UNSUBMITTED". What's wrong I ask?

26th July 2002, 11:51	#28
Atmo The Freak (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 9,400	Unsubmitted or unpublished? :Psykotech:

26th July 2002, 14:06	#29
sir_qwerty Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 12	Oh dear, you're right! The right word is UNPUBLISHED. Does it mean that it is waiting for reviewing?

26th July 2002, 14:50	#30
StillWater Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nov 1978 Posts: 3,883	Yes. It can take from about 3 to 8 weeks to get reviewed and published. Sow a thought, reap an action; sow an action, reap a habit; sow a habit, reap a character; sow a character, reap a destiny. All my skins: @ winamp.com @ 1K1WS @ Deviantart.com My latest Flash Project: BreathingEarth.net

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