Is this applicable in Canada?

[StationLex]

I'm canadain and I can tell you right now, I'm not gonna pay to broadcast. Whether it's my own voice through a mic or a song. All of my music has been purchased by myself and taken from the CD. Therefore, it's MINE to do with as I see fit!

I want to know if the Recording Industry Association of America, or whoever the hell it is trying to make this fee thing, is only able to do so in the US or if everyone will be affected. Also, how do they plan on stoping me from doing my thing?


cheers....Lex

[StationLex]

maybe some one has some kind of an answer for me?

[Waltzking]

American laws and regulations do not apply in Canada. Canadian Broadcasters come under the jurisdiction of the CRTC (Canadian Radio and Telecommunications Commission), who regulates public broadcasting in Canada by authority of Parliament. Generaly, you need a licence from them if you wish to broadcast to the public (currently, the licence fee for Canadian Internet radio is zero dollar!)

Canadian royalty fees for public broadcasting, whether you are CBC or CTV or CHUM, are collected by SOCAN (Society of Composers, Publishers and Authors of Canada) whose fee schedules are approved by the Copyright Board of Canada as authorized by Parliament. (Currently, the fee is 25 cents per listener per month for internet radio stations, plus 7% GST).

Also, don't forget Revenue Canada if you accept advertisements on your radio station. You will have to report it on your next tax return, but you probably will be lossing money and write it off against your other incomes. (NOTE that Canadian companies who advertise on Canadian internet radio is tax deductible to them, but not if they advetise on American internet radio stations).

Buying a CD means that you bought the right to listen to it but not the right to broadcast it publicly, because you do not own the songs. If you disagree, consider the case: you can buy a CD with "Oh Canada", our National Anthem, on it, available at HMV or MusicWorld, but you do not own the National Anthem. That song is copyrighted by "Her Majesty in Right of Canada", and owned by Parliament, you cannot do whatever you want with it - there are procotols that go with it.

Some goes for a lot of other things that you "possess". E.g, you can buy a Canadian flag and display it proudly (or reluctantly if you wish), but you do not own the Maple Leave Logo on the flag - that is owned by Parliament. The Credit Card you carry around is not your property either - it is owned by the issuer (banks, department stores, oil companies, etc). Even the dollar bill/coin you carried around is owned by the Bank of Canada (you own the value promised by the Bank as the dollar bill is circulated around) - try reproducing it and you will be in big trouble with the RCMP. Same for many academic, trade and professional certificates that you may have - you do not own it either, the trade or professional associations can take it away if you break their rules.

[StationLex]

but this isn't a certificate....there is nothing on the CDs that says I am "renting" the use of the music. Take your example...money:

If I have a 5 dollar bill, I can save it, I can spend it, I can rip it up, or burn it, I can fold it....basically do whatever I want with it...I can LEND it to friends and they pay me back, I can let them take a look at it or listen to the rustle of the paper....

and I'm very happy that Canadians can still broadcast free

[cazevedo]

Thank you for taking the time to contact the CRTC.

I am not aware of any government department, agency or commission - including the CRTC - which has a mandate to regulate internet-based content. Our decision to forebear from regulating this area is well described in our news release of May 17, 1999: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/NEWS/RELEA...99/R990517.htm In other words, if you want to start up a web-based "station" there are no regulations or laws I am aware of, which would prevent you from doing so.
It may interest you to know, however, that communications over the Internet are not specifically exempt from criminal or civil laws. In other words, these laws might be found to apply equally to communications over the Internet. This, however, would be a matter for the courts and/or Parliament to decide.

For example, you may be required to pay copyright fees or royalties on the music you use. Please contact SOCAN for further information in this regard. SOCAN is the only registered performing rights society in Canada. Every country which is signatory to the either the Bern or International Copyright Convention has a performing rights society. The composer, songwriter/lyricist or pupblishing house joins the society. This "not for profit" society is run on behalf of the music composers/lyricists and publishing companies. On behalf of its members, SOCAN extracts licencing agreements and collects fees from a number of different sources for the use of music. The collection of performance royalties, which flow from the licencing fees charged music users for the right to exploit and use a publishers or composers intellectual properties copyright, is a major source of income for these two groups.

Other laws which might be found to apply to "web-casting" as your proposal is now coming to be known, for example, might be laws relating to slander, false or misleading news and the like. But again, such matters are best discussed with agencies such as the RCMP and others who enforce provisions of the Criminal and Civil Codes of Canada.

I hope you find this information useful.


Forrest Greene
CRTC Client Services

[cazevedo]

Dear Sir/Madam:

SOCAN is not yet issuing licences for communications of musical works over
the Internet. As such, there is no set form that you are required to
complete. However, when the Copyright Board approves a tariff applicable to
your business, SOCAN will require that you pay all applicable fees and
taxes retroactive to the commencement date of your business.

SOCAN's licence to communicate musical works would only be applicable to
Canada. For the United States and other countries you would have to contact
their performing right societies.

To avoid future copyright infringement and any resulting legal proceedings,
SOCAN advises that you send a letter to me, Stephanie Chambers in the
Licensing Department at SOCAN, stating that your company will agree to pay
any fee and taxes applicable to your use, once they are set. Also, since
the fees approved will be retroactive, you should consider making
provisions for a reserve fund to pay fees and taxes once they become due.
The proposed tariff rate is as follows:

For those telecommunication services that do not earn revenue from
advertisements on the service $0.25 per subscriber or in the case of those
telecommunication services that earn revenue from advertisements on the
service, 10% of gross revenues, with a minimum fee of $0.25 per subscriber.

I trust this information will assist you.

Regards,
Stephanie Chambers
SOCAN Licensing Representative

SOCAN
41 Valleybrook Drive
Toronto, ON M3B 2S6
1-800-55-SOCAN
www.socan.ca

[Waltzking]

StationLex:

Yes, you can do whatever you want, as long as you do not get caught.

Take for example, if you earn your $5 dollar bill (e.g, selling advertisements on your internet radio station or earn it by any other means), Revenue Canada will want part of it. But, if you do not want to declare it on your tax return, you may get audited and fined 200% of the amount that you fail to report.....but you may never get audited at all.

Same for: parking with an expired meter, driving over the speed limit, going through a red light, custom declaration at the border, taking an oath in a court of law, selling liquor to a minor, smoking in a public building in Ontario, failure to pick up droppings when you walk your dog in the park...... to name a few "minor" legal infringements here and there.

To be fair, what SOCAN asks is just peanuts compared with what Ma Bell asks from their Sympatico HS subscribers recently: $7.95 per gig data transfer per month over your cap. Just Shoutcast a month with 10 listeners ($2.50 to SOCAN) and see what Bell will bill you!!! Even listening to your favourite internet radio will cost you a fortune.

[Sound Selecta]

Thats nice and all but whats a subscriber? Is it every unique IP that logs in? What about the people that log in for a minute or seconds and never come back?

I have about 16,000 (don't know how many are unique IP's) hits to my stream per month and that is a lot of quarters ($0.25). Most of those are just quick listen logins and maybe about 100-200 regural users that per month. So that would be on $37.50 for 150 regural listeners per month. Not to bad. If we had to pay for every unique IP then the payment would be right off the scale.

What if my stream is 24K mono and I have people on dial up that have different IP's whenever they log in or people with that have dynamic IP's.?

Heres another situation. What about ISP's that offer broadband (Adsl/Cable) that use static/dynamic IP but those IP are their own internal network IP's ie: 10.200.3.125 or somethig similar. When ever a user from one of those IP's logs in the shoutcast server would show one IP (the router that handles the IP's) logged in multiple times. Now is that one subscriber or multiple subscribers.

Anyways there's more but I dont feel like writing any more.

Arek
http://www.futureassassin.com
http://www.hardmusic.ca

[StationLex]

ok, well, I don't pay tax, I'm not having advertising on my station at all...I use it only about once or twice a week....it's legal in canada...

...and, since there is no way for ppl to catch me, I will continue to broadcast whether or not a fee does go to canada...

...but I'm glad it's still free here cuz it'll allow for more independant broadcasting companies here to host relays for affordable prices.

[StationLex]

Originally posted by Sound Selecta
Thats nice and all but whats a subscriber? Is it every unique IP that logs in? What about the people that log in for a minute or seconds and never come back?

I have about 16,000 (don't know how many are unique IP's) hits to my stream per month and that is a lot of quarters ($0.25). Most of those are just quick listen logins and maybe about 100-200 regural users that per month. So that would be on $37.50 for 150 regural listeners per month. Not to bad. If we had to pay for every unique IP then the payment would be right off the scale.

What if my stream is 24K mono and I have people on dial up that have different IP's whenever they log in or people with that have dynamic IP's.?

Heres another situation. What about ISP's that offer broadband (Adsl/Cable) that use static/dynamic IP but those IP are their own internal network IP's ie: 10.200.3.125 or somethig similar. When ever a user from one of those IP's logs in the shoutcast server would show one IP (the router that handles the IP's) logged in multiple times. Now is that one subscriber or multiple subscribers.

Anyways there's more but I dont feel like writing any more.

Arek
http://www.futureassassin.com
http://www.hardmusic.ca

I have a solution for ya .....get some of us canadians to relay for ya

[ardit]

With the price of bandwidth here in Canada I wouldn't relay nobody, actua;y Im tyiung to find a server over seas

[Sound Selecta]

I already have a relay server over seas but since the stream is origination from Canada so I'd most likely have to pay Canadian fees.

if youre looking for server over seas try www.internetradio.nu. I use them and is quite good.


Arek
http://www.futureassassin.com
http://www.hardmusic.ca

[Jay]

I'd like to note that ownership of ideas and symbols is not as black and white as owning a table or chair.

You may own the media which the idea or symbol is written on but you do not have control over where the idea or symbol goes, like you cannot duplicate a song on to another CD and give that CD to your friends legally. Just like you cannot copy a song onto another CD and claim it was you who sang and composed it.

As a note regarding currency, you cannot legally burn or destroy currency in the US because you hold no ownership of the document, I am sure you have similar laws there. The document is just a representation of your earnings.

[StationLex]

but I haven't heard a single broadcast yet that claims they sang the songs....all the artists get credit.

also, if you are just paying for the medium in which the music is on, then you should be able to download all the music you want and put it on a CD and they should care at all.


.....and bandwidth is cheap in B.C.

[Sound Selecta]

Originally posted by StationLex


....and bandwidth is cheap in B.C.

Cheap in BC? I live by Vancovuer and there is no cheap bandwidth here. From which ISP? Unless you work for Shaw or Telus and stick you server on their pipe then yes, but other wise I dont know of any ISP that will let you have cheap bandwidth. Its just not feasible.




Arek
http://www.futureassassin.com
http://www.hardmsuic.ca

[Jay]

Originally posted by StationLex
but I haven't heard a single broadcast yet that claims they sang the songs....all the artists get credit.

also, if you are just paying for the medium in which the music is on, then you should be able to download all the music you want and put it on a CD and they should care at all.

but your station is recieving benefit from the use of their music, some artists argue that they are providing a service to you and should therefore be compensated.

[SYNERDATA]

There are two station types...

1. Legal
2. Illegal (also called pirate stations)

The choice to conduct criminal activity or
not is a personal one, as is the choice to
advertise that criminal activity in public.

Pirate radio stations are not about to go
away, however, with their extensive prolifferation
now, and the ease withwhich they may be set up,
one should not assume that one will not be called
upon to account for one's actions.

When you expound upon how you are intent to break
the law, however reduculous or unreasonable that
law may be, you are IN FACT worsening the situation
for yourself and others, including those who follow
the laws, and you invite those making such laws to take
futher such expensive actions against the new net radio
industry to further control it.

The RIAA loves those who say they are going to play
their music without paying, gathering up all such notes
to apply as evident reason for lawmakers to do their
bidding in further harnessing all people for the profit
of a few.

If you wish to do something good, instead, don't play
commercial "music", which you have apparently been decieved
into paying yethus unreasonably high prices for.

There are tens of thousands of incredible independant
musicians making awesome music which investors and managers
did not design for profit, who press mp3 versions of their
songs, and release them with the express and incontrivertable
hope that ANY radio stations might feature them, for free.

The RIAA does not speak for these, and the activities of
the Librarian of Congress do not reflect upon these. No
man can decide the limitations upon the copyright of another.

Be a legal radio station.
Help Artists, and present your listeners with -real- music.

Shelve your CD collection and all music owned by people so
greedy that they have made it realistically unaffordable
for you to make them richer by promoting them...

They deserve the fruits of their recent labors, however rotten.

The Law will remove those who dare to use it as a weapon.

Just Watch.

Gordon Stark
Synerdata Radio


PS: As may be seen in a recent post, the record cartels are
in the active and evident process of purpetrating the same
manner of attrocity in Canada as was recently achieved in
the US. Core to this strategy is an unethically instigated
process wherein the record industry is having all applicable
fee's RETROACTIVE, and so, THE RECORD CARTELS ONLY NEED TO
PUT OFF SETTING THE FEES FOR - A LONG ENOUGH PERIOD - TO ENSURE
THAT THE RETROACTIVE FEES, WHEN FINALLY IMPLEMENTED, WOULD BE
ENOUGH TO WIPE OUT MOST ALL STATIONS WHICH HAVE PLAYED COMMERCIAL
MUSIC WITH EVERY GOOD INTENT AND GOOD WILL. THIS IS CALLED
ABUSING THE LAW AS A WEAPON, TO WIPE OUT COMPETITION.

THIS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY PERPETRATED AT THE BEHEST AND DESIGN
OF THE RECORD CARTELS IS A VERY VERY SERIOUS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY,
WHICH IS BEING TRACKED VERY CLOSELY.

THE NET RESULT FOR CANADA IS EXPECTEDLY TO BE LITTLE DIFFERENT
IN CANADA, ONCE IMPLEMENTED, THAN IT WAS IN THE USA.

Every Canadian Internet Radio Station should be deeply concerned,
and taking all due action to bring these attrocities to
light before any more good honest people suffer, as
has been done to so many in the USA.

The roots of these issues may be found in open statements by
record company executives made in 1999, when these strategies
for wiping out net radio competition and independant artist
competition were initially unveiled under the battle-cry of
bootlegging, and lost revenues reportedly due to bootlegging,
but actually due to restrictions placed on top artists to
not release music until DRM is securely in place.

The record industry is loosing billions each year now.

Competition is like that, Bronfy baby.

It's FAIR.

[StationLex]

Originally posted by KXRM


but your station is recieving benefit from the use of their music, some artists argue that they are providing a service to you and should therefore be compensated.

But what about radio stations? the artists provide the music to them and allow them to make a profit by playing commercials....what DO they get out of it? the opportunity for more ppl to buy their CD because that one single has been played for a high number of ppl...the same applies to internet radio stations only they don't give the music to us free, we buy the CD.

....and ya, bandwidth is cheap in BC...I live in surrey and use Telus' Velocity service (SHAW sucks) ..it really depends on what package you get from them.

[Jay]

Originally posted by StationLex


But what about radio stations? the artists provide the music to them and allow them to make a profit by playing commercials....what DO they get out of it? the opportunity for more ppl to buy their CD because that one single has been played for a high number of ppl...the same applies to internet radio stations only they don't give the music to us free, we buy the CD.

....and ya, bandwidth is cheap in BC...I live in surrey and use Telus' Velocity service (SHAW sucks) ..it really depends on what package you get from them.

If you really believe that then stop playing music from record companies who contribute to the RIAA's movement, stop playing music from the artists who want compensation.

[StationLex]

k....I'll download their music ....and that's why I'm an Offspring fan

[Waltzking]

Just a note from Industry Canada (from their website):

Copyright infringement is not considered to be a criminal activity (eg, you will not get arrested and released on bail) under the Criminal Code of Canada . If you get caught performing music illegally, such as singing "My Way" on Yonge Street in Toronto without paying SOCAN, it is a civil case, not a criminal case. It is NOT the duty of any Government officials (such as RCMP, OPP, Customs Officers or by-law enforcement officers) to check to see if your music performance or singing or broadcasting is legal or not in Canada. It is up to the owner of the copyright to enforce his own rights by taking civil actions to sue for damages.

There are of course exceptions, such as massive re-production of pirated CDs, or copying of any currency, for which there is a jail term.

So, in Canada, if you find that someone plays YOUR song on the internet or replays YOUR broadcast without your permission, there is no use calling the police - you have to hire a lawyer (at may be $150 - $200 an hour plus GST) and sue the other guy. AND, there are few Canadian lawyers who accept contingent fees.

[StationLex]

OH CANADA! OUR HOME AND NATIVE LAND.........


...it's a good time to be canadian...thx for the info guys, now to get back to me broadcasting...

[SYNERDATA]

Originally posted by Waltzking
Just a note from Industry Canada (from their website):

...So, in Canada, if you find that someone plays YOUR song on the internet or replays YOUR broadcast without your permission, there is no use calling the police - you have to hire a lawyer (at may be $150 - $200 an hour plus GST) and sue the other guy. AND, there are few Canadian lawyers who accept contingent fees.

ADDENDUM: If you play music in mp3 format, where the copyright
holder (ie: artist) has pressed the original mp3 themselves,
and have themselves released the mp3 as free music through
one of the many (legal) global free music databases, (concidered
the promotional currency of independant artists), for free
download by anyone, you may play that music on your station,
unless otherwise directed by the individual copyright holder,
and without penalty to the promotional instrument (station)
due to the free nature of the release, and the known consensus
of independant artists who release free music, that they very
much hope radio stations will play their music.

It is all a matter of 'what kind' of music you play on your station,
as each media work may be released under different conditions, at
the disgression of the copyright holder. Those who avail their
own music freely have a different product, different currency,
different promotional system, and different distribution than
the commercial record cartels, who do not speak for those
who release their music freely, that the stations might
grant mass media access based solely on artistic merit,
that they, too, might compete with the record cartels.

Without net radio, the independant artists are obstensively
out of luck, since radio and related mass media points are
the sole key element in the modern large market music exposure,
and integral in the success of every successful music producer.

Without net radio, the great music databases of free music
are like great tombs, filled with the treasure of our times,
buried by the record cartels in their corporate graveyards.

They know this from experience.

If net radio stations (those that remain) play only independant
music, in just and sensible response to recent attrocities, then
the record cartels will have shot themselves in the foot. The decision is yours to make, as a station operator.

There has been a large amount of time in recent years spent on
trying to redefine the meaning of copyright, and how it works,
as well as things like calling network stream narrowcasting
"broadcasting" and the dance of the RIAA in almost daily describing
internet radio as completely like terra radio, and then the next
day saying they are nothing like each other, depending on which
court case is being addressed, et cetera.

Copyright does not imply that you can not copy.

Limitations upon copyrighted material (all original material
is automatically copyright by law to it's creator) do not
exist unless and until explicitely expressed in trade by
that Copyright holder.

Music freely released by it's copyright holders is not in any
way subject to any limitations that any other copyright holders
may implement in releasing their product(s) conditionally, and
attaching to them fee's such as was recently done in the USA.

Gord

[StationLex]

ok, but in canada, you can play the music all you want since it is not a criminal offence and the only way to be charged is through the copyright holder.

...or so it says up there...that's all I needed to know...

[Jay]

Originally posted by StationLex
ok, but in canada, you can play the music all you want since it is not a criminal offence and the only way to be charged is through the copyright holder.

...or so it says up there...that's all I needed to know...

well technically that is how it is in the US as well, local cops or the FBI is not going to come knocking on my door about it. I don't know about you but being sued is something that I am not interested in being apart of.

[DJ AmPs]

Being sued is worse because you will be broke for a really long time.

-amps

[StationLex]

well, my station is very unadvertised so I'm not worried that I will be sued...

[Waltzking]

Well, in practice, SOCAN seldem sues anybody for performing music publicly without paying any fees. What they usually does is send you an invoice with fees estimated retroactively with interest and penalties added on (like what Revenue Canada does!).

If you refuse to pay up, well, there is no need to hire any high power lawyers at $150 to $250 per hour to go to the Court of Queen's Bench if the infringement is minor. Going to the "Small Claim Court" will do, if the amount owing is just a few thousand dollars.

Once a copyright holder gets a judgement against you through a small claim court and the judgement is served on you by registered mail, and you still refuse to pay, then a wage garnishment (or freezing your bank account) can be ordered by the Justice of Peace. Again, the copyright holder does not need a high powered law firm to do this.

In the mean time, your credit rating is screwed, and when you want to apply for a loan to buy a house, a car, a line of credit, or a credit card from Future Shop, or even apply for a job where a good credit rating is required, you are stuck.

Well, you will not go to jail for this. But, the experience of getting sued (whether it is through a Small Claim Court, the Court of Queen's Bench or the Federal Courts) can be quite unpleasant.

[roby0215]

Has anyone figured out what SOCAN's reporting requirements will be? will it simply be a TTSL report, with average number of listeners per month? or will it be more detailed and stringent, like RIAA's was? (is?)

25c per listener per month is quite reasonable, and it should be noted that Socan is definitely not as "mean-spirited" as RIAA. And it looks like the artists actually see some money, according to their PDF file.

I have no problem working with Socan, so long as they don't break my bank account for playing music freely to my friends.

[SYNERDATA]

To feature music, freely availed by the
artists themselves, for such purposes,
apart from the commercial labels, with
it's legally sound peace of mind, lack
of reduculous additional promotional
expenses, and great benefit to artists
that can not afford a few million each
album on promotion, is the way to go if
you are not intent upon tracking stats
with a fine toothed comb, and paying
fees to make other people globally famous,
and/or otherwise being outside the law,
and streaming precariously each rotation.

If you have been playing commercial music,
have your stats and savings account in order,
because the record cartels are in the process
of making net radio stations pay to do what
the labels would rather do themselves up now,
instead of paying for the unique benefits of
radio, such as in the terra radio industry,
and thus, preventing the net radio industry
from being able to conduct it's business of
promotion as does the terra radio industry.

It is all about redefining radio as the servant
of the record cartels, rather than themselves as
clients of the radio industry, in mutually beneficial
partnership.

Since network radio does not have regional advertising
to support it, which is a general condition of net radio,
this industry is least able to pay absurdist fees which
the terra industry successfully fought off, which case
IS prescidental in relation to net radio, and should be
viewed by lawmakers and justice as wholly applicable to
net radio as it is to terra radio.

The semantic differences between net radio and terra radio do not
justify such gross exception as has been enforced upon net radio,
to conciderably disasterous results to this fledgeling industry,
as per the CARP attrocities... to call them what they are.

Due to it's infant state, the net radio industry
was not able to garner such "muscle" as the terra
radio industry in warding off the attempts of the
record cartels to extract financial benefits from
the promotion of their artists by the radio industry,
which remains the key component in the systems of
the record industry, as crucial to "making stars",
which is at the root of their cashflow engines.

Because the record industry is a patchwork of complex
inter-connected inter-dependant systems which crosses
over into numerous other industries, such as radio,
it is easily applied by the record cartels in light of the
ignorance of the common congressman as a smokescreen
of complexity, inwhich the record cartels are striving
to redifine their industry to survive at the expense of
other industries, which it is now striving to redefine,
such as in the case of the former net radio industry in
america, RIP.

As in any case of sufficient complexity and excessive
wrongdoing and/or aggressively unethical activity upon
multiple stealth fronts, not many people are willing to tackle
it, especially where the actual source of questionable
perpetrations remains shrouded in an interconnectivity
of record label organizations with numerous heads, all
speaking differently, yet professing a united voice.

One word.

MIRANDA.

Gordon

[StationLex]

ya know what? it's not ilegal in canada so this thread should be finished ....and as to the bank account thing....this is why you get an account in the Bahammas

[daz]

Originally posted by StationLex
If I have a 5 dollar bill, I can save it, I can spend it, I can rip it up, or burn it, I can fold it....basically do whatever I want with it...

Actually, you're not allowed ripping it or burning it. It's against the law

[roby0215]

Originally posted by daz


Actually, you're not allowed ripping it or burning it. It's against the law

In both the US and Canada too...

[StationLex]

....who's going to stop me? police?....wtf are the charges going to be? ruining the environment? ...physical money is for the fools anyway.

[Waltzking]

OK, if you want to burn money, go ahead and burn it.

Use it in your BBQ in the summer, fire place in the winter. Canada have a very cold winter and therefore make sure you have lot of money to burn ($50 bills and up are the best, because they are not accepted by most Canadian merchants anyway).

If your insurance company opposes to it because of a possible fire harzard, I have other suggestion:

Put it through a shredder - (you can buy a shredder for about $20 at Staples Business Depot).

Using your scissors, cut it into pieces and dump the money into the garbage - if you live in Toronto, the garbage workers' are returning to work from a strike. No problem at all. Major Lastman will take it.

Send you half cut dollar bills to Jean Christien's liberal leadership champagne. You may want to decide that sending to Paul Martin is better. You may get a tax credit for political donations from Revenue Canada.

Cut the money up and use it in your garden compose. That should give your plants a good super fertilizer in the next growing season.

Having shredded your money, use it as a littering bed for your pets. Your bird or dog or cat will surely love it.

If you have a farm, fed it to the animals (sheeps are getter "equipped" to chew on dollar bills).

Do whatever you want with your money. As long as you do not make copies of it, the RCMP will not care.

[Jay]

obviously the topic starter has no reasoning and logic skills. It's time for this thread to fade, because as they say, good threads never die, they just fade away.

[drlradio]

Originally posted by StationLex
but this isn't a certificate....there is nothing on the CDs that says I am "renting" the use of the music.

I don't know about in Canada - but here in the UK the following is printed on every CD:

Unauthorised copying, hiring, renting, public performace of this recording prohibited.

This means if you go and switch on your CD player in the street and play this CD, you are breaking the law unless you have a liscense.

And the same counts for the internet...

David

[djqwest]

I'm playing full length mixes produced by djs...how the hell do I fit into this mess? any ideas on how this pricing this is going to work in my situation?

[StationLex]

OK...it's NOT ilegal in canada to broadcast whatever you are feeling like so this topic should "fade away"



....please, no more replies

[ephil1]

I Canada there are no fees like in the U.S., The only thing you have to worry about is copyright infractions, If you do not charge listener to pay for the service you can play and broadcast the music over the Internet for free till you want. Now once you start to make money by charging fees or mebership to tune in to the stream you must have the proper rights from record labels, or you can buy a guild membership for $12/year(Can.) and you have the rights to play all music. as if you were a professional D.J. working in Canada (example M.C. Mario, Plastik Man....)