New Idea: Skinning Teams

drake · 12th August 2001, 19:14

Really it isn't that new, its just what I think will be a good practice to get into. The problem with the way we do it now, is that all the graphics people are trying to learn how to program the interface for WA3 and vise versa for the programmers. I think that we should start make teams to makes skins. 1 Person making wa2 skins was ok since there wasn't any programming involved but times changed. This isn't a new concept. Video Games and Computer Games or any kind use the idea of a team with a graphics artist and programmer. So it might be the future way to skin.

I myself am a programmer and I don't plan on making a WA3 skin on my own and I haven't because it would look like shit. It have some cool effects but it would look retarded. And no offense to some of the skinners out there but I have noticed either the really cool feature skins with everything skinned and cool animation but a shitty GUI and I have seen the cool looking GUI skins with only the main interface skinned and the PL, EQ, etc. left in the dark. Now I am not saying these guys suck at skinning but they need to come together.

Anyways thanks for listening to my unorganized thoughts and I hope others agree with me in some way and that people take my ideas and put them into action.

Note: I am welcome to learning the WA3 language and helping if someone wants me. Also the spelling and sentence structure might be bad but give me a break, I didn't use Spell Check and I have been out of school for almost 3 months and my job doesn't teach me grammar at all.

Riksruin · 12th August 2001, 19:32

i like that idea. we are all helping each other out with the programming side of things, but it seems to be people making there own graphics. i think that having one person on graphics and one on programming would be really kool!

drake · 12th August 2001, 19:48

Ya me and Blue Key Design are going to be work together on his skin. He is need help with the drawers and like the other components like the MB and PL. We will see what comes out of our team up to see if the idea is good or not.

Naamloos · 12th August 2001, 19:59

I think we should have a ICQ-activelist, we can help each other in here

These forums are getting slow and talking to someone over icq is more directly and so

But we need a server

and everyone needs to use icq

But in teams..... well i hope it's not forced

and i guess you can contact one of the skinners to help you with the GUI and say that you want to put extra Drawers, lights, Candlebars, Cola, or a hamster on it

ertmann|CPH · 12th August 2001, 20:15

hey - i have exactly that problem - im working on a Quicktime looking skin - it looks quite nice, but im realy stuck with the scriptig part!
so i would appriciate if someone could help me out with that

my ICQ = 115904281

kinwashi · 12th August 2001, 20:34

Quote:

Originally posted by no*name
I think we should have a ICQ-activelist, we can help each other in here These forums are getting slow and talking to someone over icq is more directly and so
But we need a server and everyone needs to use icq
But in teams..... well i hope it's not forced and i guess you can contact one of the skinners to help you with the GUI and say that you want to put extra Drawers, lights, Candlebars, Cola, or a hamster on it

slow? I think the forums are lightning fast! especially compared to before the update!

anyways, the ICQ is a good idea, already got a few on you on my list... 3417818 if anyone wanna ask me something, altho I can probably only help you if it involves photoshop

altho if you think others would benefit from the answer to your question you might aswell post it here in the forums...

drake · 12th August 2001, 20:56

Add me to your ICQ list for messaging (nice trick this is)

I can't answer much yet but I will be studing winamp scripting and skinning in depth soon so you might add me now for later. Anyways what did you mean by a server no name?

RussellGreenwood · 13th August 2001, 05:16

Hey all.

I'de love to get together with a programmer, I'm not _completely_ dumb when it comes to programming, but I just don't have the time to learn all the cool stuff about WA3.

So, I've started my skin, just need someone who would be willing to team up with me and listen to my rambling on about how I want this and this to happen.. and then like magic for it to happen

So if someone wants to contact me and help out my icq is 28701258 .

Go team noname!
and go the new forum options!

Naamloos · 13th August 2001, 06:21

what i meant, the forums aren't slow, but before you get an answer that costs time!!!

And me in teams... mmmmmm.... I'm not working at wa3 atm, ive got a g/f

she needs some time too

but I can help you at icq or so

I'd love just to chat with some guys of you.... or girls

drake · 13th August 2001, 06:33

Plus you live in Netherlands and most of us are offline when you are online so the speed of reply on ICQ is almost the same as the forums in your case. Sorry about that No Name

kingo'mountain · 13th August 2001, 07:30

why 2 b personal groups?

u all can be 1 rockin group!!!

one of u will do the "blueprints"
a designer that uses: ps, psp, other... will make the .png thingies
a programmer like RT or someone else will do the animation
and.. thats it

e-mail the files between yourselves!

drake · 13th August 2001, 07:56

I don't mean to be a jerk at all mountian but could you work on your grammar. I seriously couldn't understand what you were trying to say in that post. Sorry

kingo'mountain · 13th August 2001, 08:07

its chat language, shortcuts to words:

2 -> to
b -> be
u -> you
1 -> one
ps -> photoshop
psp -> paint shop pro

what i meant in this post was that.... instead of being "personal groups" like 3 ppl (people) a group, everybody should be "one skining group"

Naamloos · 13th August 2001, 12:32

Winamp3 Skin factory!

Riksruin · 13th August 2001, 12:59

Quote:

Originally posted by no*name
Winamp3 Skin factory!

LoL that would rule.

i think the way we do it at the mo aint too bad. a skinner comes up with some graphics and then asks everyone else for scripting help. it is more or less like teams.

RussellGreenwood · 13th August 2001, 14:47

I've GOT a PSD file here... ok, out of the risk of losing my skin to someone I'm going to attach it here, if there's anyone out there that wants to program it to WA3, they're welcome, just tell ME when you do

I did start a WAL.. but is it really any help? I'de only really put the background in.. and even then, for my skin to work good I want the green screens to popup anyways, which to me, means that my background has to change... so.. I won't attach it.

Thankyou in advance.

Russ.

drake · 13th August 2001, 17:21

Sorry for not understand that last post Mountain. Anyways I understand the numbers and all of that but I have never seen ps and psp although I have used both and know what they are. It is as weird as saying pmltf (pink monkeys like to fly) don't assume that all the skinners out there know what they mean. No that I am done being the rude person back to normal mode.

<switching to normal mode>

OK well I like that idea but it would be hard to cordinate with every skinner there is. Beside even if we did when production starts I would bet that people would break of into 3s and 2s anyways since more than 3 or 2 gets hard to choose who does what.

Anyone else agree or understand what I am saying?

lunarboy1 · 13th August 2001, 18:22

The background for your skin would just be the silver strip. The green thingies may appear to be a background to you but are really just extra layers. Atleast thats what I think they do. Check out Aurora Lens that RT made for some cool drawer effects.

Naamloos · 13th August 2001, 18:27

yes that's why group skinning doesn't work

or if you are building a complex 3d skin *id: 3d skin (C)<--

*

Rus, I want to give it a try...
Do you have ICQ? or MSN?

drake · 13th August 2001, 18:33

Doesn't mean group skinning doesn't work. It works if you split tasks that aren't the same type. Like you wouldb't throw 2 people to work on the main GUI or they would conflict on graphic style and ideas. That is why I meant 2 to 3 people. Someone to do the graphics, someone to code, and someone to bring the 2 other guys their drinks and pizzas. Actually the third person probably isn't needed.

RussellGreenwood · 13th August 2001, 23:02

no*name: Cool! - ICQ 28701258

Talk to ya soon.

LunarBoy: I figure the silver bit would be the background.. I've just got no clue with the rest.

Oh, and I just realised the PSD has all the layers hidden.. so when you open it... show them

Ice · 14th August 2001, 00:13

Quote:

Originally posted by kingo'mountain
its chat language, shortcuts to words:

2 -> to
b -> be
u -> you
1 -> one
ps -> photoshop
psp -> paint shop pro

what i meant in this post was that.... instead of being "personal groups" like 3 ppl (people) a group, everybody should be "one skining group"

if you're gonna use acro's and shortcuts... do it for big words.. it just makes it so much easier to read when you dont have to decypher it before reading it.

anywho, i'm working on my own skin. and you all thought i was the guy behind the scenes masturbating. i've found that illustrator is awesome. you'll see.

Eximo · 14th August 2001, 00:27

Cool PSD Rus, I'm gonna give it a try too. :P

no*name I have a free server, not loads of bandwidth, but its pretty good. ICQ me and if you wanna start the Winamp3 Skin factory!

ICQ me at 45801368

drake · 14th August 2001, 01:29

Can I have that job Ice? Sitting behind the scenes masturbating sounds fun. Plus you get to be a mod for that. Dang your lucky. Whats your secret?

Anyways Illustrator is pretty cool if you know how to use it. Hope to see what you come up with.

RussellGreenwood · 14th August 2001, 05:17

Wow, I'll have like, 2 versions of the one skin.

Maybe if no*name & Eximo wanna work on different parts of the code each... like one of you work on the sliding stuff and the other on all the buttons etc... that way things get done quicker and maybe if one person gets stuck, the other can help?

Just a suggestion.

Illustrator and a Winamp skin... interesting concept.. could work, will be interested to see your textures and the like.. can we have a screenie?

drake · 14th August 2001, 07:23

And reck the suprise. No SS till its ready. We server no SS before its time

Raj · 14th August 2001, 21:24

yeah, i have my final exam tomorrow. can u tell im procrastinating studying for it some more? well anyhow, i'm going to have some time inteh coming weeks (ahem month) to look into winamp3 skinning. m quite optimistic about it but was also considering a kind of teams approach as you talk about. was thinking of a wa3 skin factory KIND of thing too. need to find people to work with though, for one thing.

I'd be interested in seting up a collaborative for skinning, to share knowledge etc. I have another designer onboard with me who i'm going to introduce to skinning with winamp3. but aack....the scripting. i want to learn the scripting but it would help a lot to have someone with more expertice in that area onboard. hopefully that would bear some funkier fruit. idealy the artists would know SOME coding and the coders would not be ignorant to the creative side . idealy it'd be good to have ap lay between the two. but aack. i'm definatly going to need someone's help getting started with this winamp 3 beta skinning.

look for lots of really really stupid questions from me on this board in a week or so. if i had a server i'd be keeping my progress and step-by-steps online. want to doccument what i learn as i learn it so later we can adapt it into a nice set tutorials complete with templates.

Naamloos · 15th August 2001, 13:20

If you have a lot of dumb questions, (btw why are they dumb? if you know they're already answered i guess) plz post em in one Thread with something like : New To skinning, I've got some questions

Or if you have one problem, post it as thread
thanks

Raj · 15th August 2001, 16:25

oh TRUST me dude, their goint ot be HELLAdumb questions.
like "duuh..how do you make a skin?" (no..not wuite THAT dumb...but still....pretty dumb". since i'll be learning this jazz from scratch and i dont want to sift through too much excess, and as i learn i'm going to be doccumenting the process for later adaption to a tutorial so when our winamp 3 skins ARE published we dont have to anser 10000 "how do u make a skin" emails. <groan>. so i want to get all the info i can but in the right order too.

lunarboy1 · 15th August 2001, 16:42

Lots of tuts (some by me

) can be found in this thread:

http://64.12.38.241/showthread.php?threadid=55955

psycho_maniac · 23rd August 2002, 06:45

this is a cool idea but i was wondering. do u have 2 have icq. i dont have it and i really like msn. well if u want 2 add me 2 ur msn messenger my msn is psycho_maniac420@hotmail.com. thanks. no what i posted every1 will become antisocial in this forum.

dns_server · 23rd August 2002, 11:26

Great idea.
I am teaching myself how to script, so if anyone wants a script written, then contact me.

my email=dns_server@yahoo.com

my MSN=dns_server80@hotmail.com

my icq=115904281

12th August 2001, 19:14	#1
drake Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 629	New Idea: Skinning Teams Really it isn't that new, its just what I think will be a good practice to get into. The problem with the way we do it now, is that all the graphics people are trying to learn how to program the interface for WA3 and vise versa for the programmers. I think that we should start make teams to makes skins. 1 Person making wa2 skins was ok since there wasn't any programming involved but times changed. This isn't a new concept. Video Games and Computer Games or any kind use the idea of a team with a graphics artist and programmer. So it might be the future way to skin. I myself am a programmer and I don't plan on making a WA3 skin on my own and I haven't because it would look like shit. It have some cool effects but it would look retarded. And no offense to some of the skinners out there but I have noticed either the really cool feature skins with everything skinned and cool animation but a shitty GUI and I have seen the cool looking GUI skins with only the main interface skinned and the PL, EQ, etc. left in the dark. Now I am not saying these guys suck at skinning but they need to come together. Anyways thanks for listening to my unorganized thoughts and I hope others agree with me in some way and that people take my ideas and put them into action. Note: I am welcome to learning the WA3 language and helping if someone wants me. Also the spelling and sentence structure might be bad but give me a break, I didn't use Spell Check and I have been out of school for almost 3 months and my job doesn't teach me grammar at all. Work in Progress K-Jofol will never die as long as I don't lose or damage the backup!

12th August 2001, 19:32	#2
Riksruin Major Dude Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Glos, England, UK Posts: 1,436	i like that idea. we are all helping each other out with the programming side of things, but it seems to be people making there own graphics. i think that having one person on graphics and one on programming would be really kool! \| looking for my old skins, can you help???? \| riksruin \| \| www.alternativestyles.co.uk \| riksruin.deviantart.com \|

12th August 2001, 19:48	#3
drake Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 629	Ya me and Blue Key Design are going to be work together on his skin. He is need help with the drawers and like the other components like the MB and PL. We will see what comes out of our team up to see if the idea is good or not. Work in Progress K-Jofol will never die as long as I don't lose or damage the backup!

12th August 2001, 20:56	#7
drake Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 629	Add me to your ICQ list for messaging (nice trick this is) I can't answer much yet but I will be studing winamp scripting and skinning in depth soon so you might add me now for later. Anyways what did you mean by a server no name? Work in Progress K-Jofol will never die as long as I don't lose or damage the backup!

13th August 2001, 05:16	#8
RussellGreenwood Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 23	great idea. Hey all. I'de love to get together with a programmer, I'm not _completely_ dumb when it comes to programming, but I just don't have the time to learn all the cool stuff about WA3. So, I've started my skin, just need someone who would be willing to team up with me and listen to my rambling on about how I want this and this to happen.. and then like magic for it to happen So if someone wants to contact me and help out my icq is 28701258 . Go team noname! and go the new forum options!

12th August 2001, 19:59	#4
Naamloos Forum King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: irc.tehflap.org/******* Posts: 3,085	I think we should have a ICQ-activelist, we can help each other in here These forums are getting slow and talking to someone over icq is more directly and so But we need a server and everyone needs to use icq But in teams..... well i hope it's not forced and i guess you can contact one of the skinners to help you with the GUI and say that you want to put extra Drawers, lights, Candlebars, Cola, or a hamster on it

12th August 2001, 20:15	#5
ertmann\|CPH Forum Viking (Forum King) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The North Posts: 3,541	hey - i have exactly that problem - im working on a Quicktime looking skin - it looks quite nice, but im realy stuck with the scriptig part! so i would appriciate if someone could help me out with that my ICQ = 115904281

13th August 2001, 06:21	#9
Naamloos Forum King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: irc.tehflap.org/******* Posts: 3,085	what i meant, the forums aren't slow, but before you get an answer that costs time!!! And me in teams... mmmmmm.... I'm not working at wa3 atm, ive got a g/f she needs some time too but I can help you at icq or so I'd love just to chat with some guys of you.... or girls

13th August 2001, 06:33	#10
drake Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 629	Plus you live in Netherlands and most of us are offline when you are online so the speed of reply on ICQ is almost the same as the forums in your case. Sorry about that No Name Work in Progress K-Jofol will never die as long as I don't lose or damage the backup!

13th August 2001, 07:30	#11
kingo'mountain in need of banned aid Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: over the rainb... uh... nevermind Posts: 2,716	why 2 b personal groups? u all can be 1 rockin group!!! one of u will do the "blueprints" a designer that uses: ps, psp, other... will make the .png thingies a programmer like RT or someone else will do the animation and.. thats it e-mail the files between yourselves!

13th August 2001, 07:56	#12
drake Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 629	I don't mean to be a jerk at all mountian but could you work on your grammar. I seriously couldn't understand what you were trying to say in that post. Sorry Work in Progress K-Jofol will never die as long as I don't lose or damage the backup!

13th August 2001, 08:07	#13
kingo'mountain in need of banned aid Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: over the rainb... uh... nevermind Posts: 2,716	its chat language, shortcuts to words: 2 -> to b -> be u -> you 1 -> one ps -> photoshop psp -> paint shop pro what i meant in this post was that.... instead of being "personal groups" like 3 ppl (people) a group, everybody should be "one skining group"

13th August 2001, 12:32	#14
Naamloos Forum King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: irc.tehflap.org/******* Posts: 3,085	Winamp3 Skin factory!

13th August 2001, 17:21	#17
drake Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 629	Sorry for not understand that last post Mountain. Anyways I understand the numbers and all of that but I have never seen ps and psp although I have used both and know what they are. It is as weird as saying pmltf (pink monkeys like to fly) don't assume that all the skinners out there know what they mean. No that I am done being the rude person back to normal mode. <switching to normal mode> OK well I like that idea but it would be hard to cordinate with every skinner there is. Beside even if we did when production starts I would bet that people would break of into 3s and 2s anyways since more than 3 or 2 gets hard to choose who does what. Anyone else agree or understand what I am saying? Work in Progress K-Jofol will never die as long as I don't lose or damage the backup!

13th August 2001, 18:22	#18
lunarboy1 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Somewhere, USA Posts: 2,233	Hey Rus The background for your skin would just be the silver strip. The green thingies may appear to be a background to you but are really just extra layers. Atleast thats what I think they do. Check out Aurora Lens that RT made for some cool drawer effects. www.bluni.com Ben Folds Lyrics Database

13th August 2001, 18:27	#19
Naamloos Forum King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: irc.tehflap.org/******* Posts: 3,085	yes that's why group skinning doesn't work or if you are building a complex 3d skin id: 3d skin (C)<-- Rus, I want to give it a try... Do you have ICQ? or MSN?

13th August 2001, 18:33	#20
drake Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 629	Doesn't mean group skinning doesn't work. It works if you split tasks that aren't the same type. Like you wouldb't throw 2 people to work on the main GUI or they would conflict on graphic style and ideas. That is why I meant 2 to 3 people. Someone to do the graphics, someone to code, and someone to bring the 2 other guys their drinks and pizzas. Actually the third person probably isn't needed. Work in Progress K-Jofol will never die as long as I don't lose or damage the backup! Last edited by drake; 13th August 2001 at 20:53.

13th August 2001, 23:02	#21
RussellGreenwood Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 23	no*name: Cool! - ICQ 28701258 Talk to ya soon. LunarBoy: I figure the silver bit would be the background.. I've just got no clue with the rest. Oh, and I just realised the PSD has all the layers hidden.. so when you open it... show them

14th August 2001, 00:27	#23
Eximo Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 5	Cool PSD Rus, I'm gonna give it a try too. :P no*name I have a free server, not loads of bandwidth, but its pretty good. ICQ me and if you wanna start the Winamp3 Skin factory! ICQ me at 45801368

14th August 2001, 01:29	#24
drake Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 629	Can I have that job Ice? Sitting behind the scenes masturbating sounds fun. Plus you get to be a mod for that. Dang your lucky. Whats your secret? Anyways Illustrator is pretty cool if you know how to use it. Hope to see what you come up with. Work in Progress K-Jofol will never die as long as I don't lose or damage the backup!

14th August 2001, 05:17	#25
RussellGreenwood Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 23	excellent. Wow, I'll have like, 2 versions of the one skin. Maybe if no*name & Eximo wanna work on different parts of the code each... like one of you work on the sliding stuff and the other on all the buttons etc... that way things get done quicker and maybe if one person gets stuck, the other can help? Just a suggestion. Illustrator and a Winamp skin... interesting concept.. could work, will be interested to see your textures and the like.. can we have a screenie?

14th August 2001, 07:23	#26
drake Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 629	And reck the suprise. No SS till its ready. We server no SS before its time Work in Progress K-Jofol will never die as long as I don't lose or damage the backup!

14th August 2001, 21:24	#27
Raj Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 321	teams yeah, i have my final exam tomorrow. can u tell im procrastinating studying for it some more? well anyhow, i'm going to have some time inteh coming weeks (ahem month) to look into winamp3 skinning. m quite optimistic about it but was also considering a kind of teams approach as you talk about. was thinking of a wa3 skin factory KIND of thing too. need to find people to work with though, for one thing. I'd be interested in seting up a collaborative for skinning, to share knowledge etc. I have another designer onboard with me who i'm going to introduce to skinning with winamp3. but aack....the scripting. i want to learn the scripting but it would help a lot to have someone with more expertice in that area onboard. hopefully that would bear some funkier fruit. idealy the artists would know SOME coding and the coders would not be ignorant to the creative side . idealy it'd be good to have ap lay between the two. but aack. i'm definatly going to need someone's help getting started with this winamp 3 beta skinning. look for lots of really really stupid questions from me on this board in a week or so. if i had a server i'd be keeping my progress and step-by-steps online. want to doccument what i learn as i learn it so later we can adapt it into a nice set tutorials complete with templates. Raj.I/O

15th August 2001, 13:20	#28
Naamloos Forum King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: irc.tehflap.org/******* Posts: 3,085	If you have a lot of dumb questions, (btw why are they dumb? if you know they're already answered i guess) plz post em in one Thread with something like : New To skinning, I've got some questions Or if you have one problem, post it as thread thanks

15th August 2001, 16:25	#29
Raj Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 321	trust oh TRUST me dude, their goint ot be HELLAdumb questions. like "duuh..how do you make a skin?" (no..not wuite THAT dumb...but still....pretty dumb". since i'll be learning this jazz from scratch and i dont want to sift through too much excess, and as i learn i'm going to be doccumenting the process for later adaption to a tutorial so when our winamp 3 skins ARE published we dont have to anser 10000 "how do u make a skin" emails. <groan>. so i want to get all the info i can but in the right order too. Raj.I/O

15th August 2001, 16:42	#30
lunarboy1 Forum King Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Somewhere, USA Posts: 2,233	Lots of tuts (some by me ) can be found in this thread: http://64.12.38.241/showthread.php?threadid=55955 www.bluni.com Ben Folds Lyrics Database

23rd August 2002, 06:45	#31
psycho_maniac Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,294	this is a cool idea this is a cool idea but i was wondering. do u have 2 have icq. i dont have it and i really like msn. well if u want 2 add me 2 ur msn messenger my msn is psycho_maniac420@hotmail.com. thanks. no what i posted every1 will become antisocial in this forum.

23rd August 2002, 11:26	#32
dns_server Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: adelaide australia Posts: 16	Great idea. I am teaching myself how to script, so if anyone wants a script written, then contact me. my email=dns_server@yahoo.com my MSN=dns_server80@hotmail.com my icq=115904281

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