World Tax proposed by French

[Xerxes]

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This is why I don't like it when the french government is considered "Center Right" ...

[SNYder]

bad?

[mmitchell86]

When was the last time the french ever got there own way anyhow?

Michael.

[Xerxes]

of course it's bad! Not only do I have pay enough taxes as it is, now I am an unwilling participant in some ultra socialist world tax organization. I don't live in Europe for this reason!

[SNYder]

bad indeed

[mmitchell86]

Originally posted by Xerxes
of course it's bad! Not only do I have pay enough taxes as it is, now I am an unwilling participant in some ultra socialist world tax organization. I don't live in Europe for this reason!

Xerxes, this is one reason why me and my imediate family (me, mum and dad, brother & two sisters) moved to Australia - to move away from the socialist beaurocratic b*st*rd pro-euro w*nk*rs.

Michael

[QHOBBES]

It could be a tax on airplane tickets, on carbon dioxide, on health products

So basically we need to incourage less people to fly so the airlines
lose more money and more people are out of work, less people to
buy and use carbon dioxide so we run out of oxygen, and for the
Generation-XXL of America to get even fatter. Makes sense!

[Aeroe]

so i hear taxes are very considerate "Down Under." up until a year ago, i believe they were lower than America's.

anywho while those world leaders snack on o'dourves and down wine in the world summit, children are starving a few blocks away. i guess another layer of bureaucracy and casting blames would be their solution.

[mmitchell86]

Originally posted by Aeroe
so i hear taxes are very considerate "Down Under."

Tax's are quite high here in Oz, but at least the government spends the money on improving the country, unlike Tony Blair (British Prime Minister) and his merry 'theiving' men.

Michael

[fish]

So the rich first world gets taxed so France can funnel it all into the third world so they can keep on with their drug cartels and underage labor.

Third World countries are called "Developing Countries" for a reason, that they are *developing*. If the USA pulled it off in the 1700's, a little peace and order to those countries can do anything for their government. IMO it's not the amount of money sent from foreign aid but rather how it's used.

[QHOBBES]

How about instead of wasting so MUCH money on war/military we chip in
a little and feed some bums. bickity bam, no shit stains in my undies!

[henry3k56]

Originally posted by Xerxes

This is why I don't like it when the french government is considered "Center Right" ...

Do you think they like it when we're considered the center of attention of the world, with a big red target painted smack dab on us?

[Curi0us_George]

I wouldn't say that it is such a terrible idea, except that as of yet, no one has devised a way to stop poverty in even a limited area. Ever heard of the "Welfare Program". Yeah. I'm sure a "World Welfare Program" would work so much better.

[whiteflip]

Fuck international tax. Fuck tax. Why cant I find a part of land and keep it with the help of a semi automatic rifle? Just like the old days?

Why cant I own the land live off the land and shoot trespassing irs agents who try to take "Property Tax" when I have no income. I just own the property.

[GLewellen]

Sexy Randomness: Every frenchie has a napoleon complex because they get taken over every 20 years or so. I mean honestly what was the best thing to come out France. Anything? Yeah well probably something that I don't know about but wait... the French still got nothing. hehehe

[not a flame just a statement of the facts]

[Twilightseer]

/me feels the love for France flowing all over the place

[Xerxes]

Originally posted by whiteflip
Fuck international tax. Fuck tax. Why cant I find a part of land and keep it with the help of a semi automatic rifle? Just like the old days?

You could... move to Somalia- with no official government, that system continues to play istelf out. At present count there are 12 gangs headed by warlords with semi-automatic rifles that rule various groups of farms and plots...

People will always find ways to rule one another- and in the absence of a system, they will make one.

[Xerxes]

Originally posted by Sawg
But I am getting tired of people tiring to make me feel guilty because my country is better off then Country X.

It's a very effective strategy however, to get giant helpings of cash from rich countries. Ask Bono...

[Xerxes]

Originally posted by GLewellen
I mean honestly what was the best thing to come out France. Anything?

Umm... Impressionist painting and SCUBA gear... that's about it.

(j/k seer )

[Bilbo Baggins]

The biggest problem for Africa is Africa.

[baafie]

"It could be a tax on airplane tickets, on carbon dioxide, on health products sold in industrialised countries, and indeed on international
financial transactions,"

I guess Xerxes didn't like that part in particular..

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by baafie

I guess Xerxes didn't like that part in particular..

Touché, baaf

[zootm]

hell, someones gonna have to put back what the western world's draining from these countries, or else they'll all be dead on the factory floor - and who's gonna stitch my trainers then?

don't know if this is the way to do it though. that said, i'm a student, not a politician.

[liquidmotion]

that might be a good idea in theory, but it would never work in practise. men are too greedy, and their lust for power allowed the tax to corrupt them. oh wait, wrong script :P

[J. Burnaway]

Look what a wonderful job Zimbabwe has done recently "redistributing" the farm land. President Mugabe's cronies end up with the land and everyone else gets screwed, and probably very hungry.

[Curi0us_George]

Originally posted by zootm
hell, someones gonna have to put back what the western world's draining from these countries, or else they'll all be dead on the factory floor - and who's gonna stitch my trainers then?

don't know if this is the way to do it though. that said, i'm a student, not a politician.

Those people working in factories making ten cents per hour are making ten cents more per hour than they would make if they weren't in that factory. Those factories actually create a little bit of economic growth in the area. They aren't taking anything.

The "give 'em money" idea is just flawed. That's not a good investment. Give them money, so that they can buy food and eat, and then what? Give them more? Forever? All it would really do is encourage them to reproduce more. Give them condoms if you really want to make a difference. Reduce their population.

[Xerxes]

For the past couple decades, the west has given "developing" countries huge sums of money. A huge problem exists in the distribution, however- since most of the regimes are corrupt, a lot of the money is given to the leader and his friends rather than used for humanitarian purposes.

[zootm]

Originally posted by Curi0us_George
Those people working in factories making ten cents per hour are making ten cents more per hour than they would make if they weren't in that factory. Those factories actually create a little bit of economic growth in the area. They aren't taking anything.

The "give 'em money" idea is just flawed. That's not a good investment. Give them money, so that they can buy food and eat, and then what? Give them more? Forever? All it would really do is encourage them to reproduce more. Give them condoms if you really want to make a difference. Reduce their population.

you make a good point, one that my old flatmate made with alarming regularity (he's a politics student). the real problem isn't to give the country back money, but to at least give the workers some money, or at least some rights. as it stands, you're right that we can't give the people money (not if we want them to become nice obedient capitalists) - but at least enforce some kind of restrictions on how much companies can abuse the poorness of other parts of the world.

because as it stands, people are being kicked in the face (literally, in a lot of cases) simply because of where they were born. the capitalist line is that "anyone can become rich, if they're willing to try". in these places, it's more like "anyone can keep they're family alive into their mid-twenties, if they're willing to try".

[Signal Box]

He has good intentions, though his idea of a world tax by doing away with the problems he mentions is ridiculous.

Bad idea!!!

[Bop]

The poorest countries tend to be those with unstable political and economic infrastructures... handing them money to feed their people would result in the same thing had you just ripped it up to begin with. The answer to the world's poor will not come from government mandates but rather from private organizations that flood the market with jobs and goods. By doing so with foreign investment you increase jobs and salaries--> which leads to people having enough to eat

(in an extreme viewpoint- this is ideal in that higher income also makes available telecommunications so that isolated or repressed countries have access to individualistic viewpoints... which can lead to political change... which in turn can lead to a market that's more free)

Point is, helping a poor nation develop faster aids it in helping itself.

[Curi0us_George]

Originally posted by zootm
you make a good point, one that my old flatmate made with alarming regularity (he's a politics student). the real problem isn't to give the country back money, but to at least give the workers some money, or at least some rights. as it stands, you're right that we can't give the people money (not if we want them to become nice obedient capitalists) - but at least enforce some kind of restrictions on how much companies can abuse the poorness of other parts of the world.

because as it stands, people are being kicked in the face (literally, in a lot of cases) simply because of where they were born. the capitalist line is that "anyone can become rich, if they're willing to try". in these places, it's more like "anyone can keep they're family alive into their mid-twenties, if they're willing to try".

While it is true that a lot of the people in those countries are being overworked (my earlier post was a bit of an exaggeration), it's just a phase that every country must go through eventually. We went through it during our industrial revolution. They must go through it, too. What they need are people to get together over there and say, "Ok, let's find a way to put in some irrigation so we can grow crops." I wouldn't mind helping fund projects like that, but they might not evwn need our help at all, if they can just decide to do the job.

[rm']

Grameen Bank. That's all I can say. It's worked wonders for Bangladesh.

[zerokoolade]

as any pig-headed moronic american like myself knows this is just another reason to hate the french

[psychoticguyver]

as any pig-headed moronic american like myself knows this is just another reason to hate the french

don't forget the english english ppl (from the UK) most of us hate the french more than anything else (even bitchney spears)and if it wasnt for those frog leg munching horse eating non spork users the world would be a better place

[Bilbo Baggins]

I think that Twilightseer may have something to say to you.

[zootm]

i don't hate the french, i just hate my french teacher. who was french.

[Curi0us_George]

Wait . . .

You mean some pepole actually hate the French as a whole? That makes about as much sense as hating all Muslims.

I joke about the French, but I don't have any personal dislike for them.

[Bilbo Baggins]

The only useful thing they did was serve as punchbags when the English got bored and the Irish refused to fight us

[whiteflip]

i am not racist or sexist. no! fore i hate everybody equally!