ATi graphics card + windowed mode...

Krash · 20th February 2003, 05:37

Obviously, this belongs on the troubleshooting forum, but you guys might not check that for days =]

Bowing in to peer pressure, I recently spent a great wad of my hard-earned cash on a new machine, including an ATi Radeon 9700.

It's glorious.

I can play milkdrop in fullscreen and in overlay mode just fine, but as soon as I use windowed mode (which I prefer), the frame frate drops horribly. I'm talking under 10fps with a really small window. Drag the window to cover most of the 1024x768 desktop, and I get about 1fps.

Do any of you run an ATi card (9700 or otherwise)? I can't imagine why only windowed mode would be slow (whereas it was the fastest on my old GF2). I'm running the latest Catalyst drivers from ATi, if that makes a difference.

- Krash

Krash · 20th February 2003, 05:39

Quote:

Originally posted by Krash
Obviously, this belongs on the troubleshooting forum, but you guys might not check that for days =]

Bowing in to peer pressure, I recently spent a great wad of my hard-earned cash on a new machine, including an ATi Radeon 9700.

It's glorious.

I can play milkdrop in fullscreen and in overlay mode just fine, but as soon as I use windowed mode (which I prefer), the frame frate drops horribly. I'm talking under 10fps with a really small window. Drag the window to cover most of the 1024x768 desktop, and I get about 1fps - even if I turn all of milkdrop's settings as low as they can go.

Do any of you run an ATi card (9700 or otherwise)? I can't imagine why only windowed mode would be slow (whereas it was the fastest on my old GF2). I'm running the latest Catalyst drivers from ATi, if that makes a difference.

- Krash

Krash · 20th February 2003, 10:06

oops, thought I was editing, not quoting...

meant to say that even turning everything down doesn't increase the speed at all...

- Krash

StudioMusic · 20th February 2003, 19:09

Krash, congrats on the new machine. I love mine too. I have the ATI 9700 with the newest 3.1 catalyst drivers and Directx 9. Basically I keep this machine updated all the time. I only keep what I need in my services running which presently is 12 and nothing in my startup, I start everything manually. I also put the ati hotkey poller to manual in services. I hardly ever run window mode, fullscreen is what i prefer but I went to window mode and it is pegged out at 64 fps, that is the fastest I seem to ever get in any mode. I have been trying to find a problem with MD and I have yet to fine one except that when I hit M once in a while half the code is missing in the per frame but the preset is still runing with all the code and if I shut down and start MD again it is all there. Also I run my desktop most the time at 1152 x 864 and MD at 1280 x 960 and a very few presets drop below 64fps usually in the high 50's fps. I do not think I can be of any help to you because MD screams on this machine with no problems but if you have any questions for me to help you find the bug just ask. By the way what processor did you get? Also sorry about that last post, I guess you can't post a preset with a (') in the zip name or it comes out as a attachment. But I figured it out half drunk last night. Luckily I am off work today. I know you will figure it out. SM

ryan · 20th February 2003, 21:31

I dont use the same card or even and ATI at all but I also get slower FPS in windowed mode..

Krash · 21st February 2003, 06:10

Specs of the new beast:

AMD Athlon XP 2600+ with 333MHz FSB
Asus A7N8X Deluxe Motherboard (nForce2 chipset)
1 GB PC2700 (333MHz) memory
40GB hard drive to boot from
120GB SATA hard drive
Radeon 9700

I think I'm gonna reinstall my video drivers - might work better.

- Krash

ryan · 21st February 2003, 11:24

In windowed mode Decay dosent work and everything fades pruple for me too.

StudioMusic · 22nd February 2003, 02:53

Krash my specs are quite a bit different than yours Pentium® 4 processor 2.40GHz w/ 533MHz system bus & 512K L2 Cache
512MB PC1066 RDRAM soon to be 1.5GB
120GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive (7200 RPM) with DataBurst Cache
128mb DDR ATI Radeon™ 9700
Dual boot-windows XP and 2000 plus ohter things not mentioned. So it good be anything. But let me know it you get the problemed solved and idiot what kind of vid card do you have? SM

Illusion · 22nd February 2003, 05:09

SM & Krash - I hate both of you and your awesome machines. Do you really need more than a gigabyte of RAM?

I managed to pickup a Voodoo3 PCI for A$30, which runs MD quite quickly (35 - 40 fps+), but unfortunately maxes out at a texture size of 256 x 256, meaning it looks pretty awful, even at very high resolutions. As far as I know, there's not any way around this, which is a bit of shame.....

For the record, both my onboard Intel video card and the Voodoo3 seem to run slightly quicker in windowed mode than they do in fullscreen mode with the same resolution... not that that would be any help towards solving your problem though

BTW, SM & Krash, what size monitor are you using? Do either of you have LCD screens, or do you still have CRTs? You can get 19" CRTs for as low as A$320 these days, I paid A$500 for mine just under a year ago... oh well...

StudioMusic · 22nd February 2003, 22:19

Illusion, I have a 19inch LCD and it is beutifull. SM

Krash · 23rd February 2003, 00:37

17" at the moment. I'll get something bigger when I have more money - I have much less than I did a week ago.

I also fixed my problem - DirectX had gotten screwy in the process of putting the new vid card in (I had to run off my old GF2 for a couple days, 'cause nobody had 9700's in stock). Reinstalled DirectX, and now it's up to 60fps or so. I wish I knew how I used to get 90...

- Krash

StudioMusic · 23rd February 2003, 01:19

Yes Krash, if you can tell me how to get better than 64fps I would love MD even more. SM

StudioMusic · 23rd February 2003, 11:56

Krash, my girlfried thinks your presets are awesome her name is Jodi. Also you are one of the few I have never moded. SM

Zylot · 24th February 2003, 05:00

1.8 ghz P4 512 cache
GE4 TI 4400
(MultiMon Primary)
32 meg ATI all in wonder PCI
(MultiMon Secondary)
1.2 gigs SDR 133
60gig HD

(Not to mention ThermalTake CPU Cooler, Quad-Blue LED 80mm Cooling Fan)

No "beast" but formidable enough to impress friends and scare enemies.

I get 50-60 fps fullscreen or windowed... doesn't really matter. I just can't run desktop or fade to black.

ryan · 24th February 2003, 05:05

"I just can't run desktop or fade to black."

*points and laughs*

Zylot · 24th February 2003, 05:14

[plays Doom 3 alpha with relatively high fps... bitch]

StudioMusic · 24th February 2003, 09:53

Christie is here and she kicks ass

Krash · 24th February 2003, 10:57

Quote:

Originally posted by Zylot
(Not to mention ThermalTake CPU Cooler, Quad-Blue LED 80mm Cooling Fan)

Mwahahahaha....
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and a more recent addition:
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All I need now is some of this:
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- Krash

Krash · 24th February 2003, 10:59

Quote:

Originally posted by StudioMusic
Krash, my girlfried thinks your presets are awesome her name is Jodi. Also you are one of the few I have never moded. SM

Thanks, Jodi. Glad you like 'em =]

- Krash

ryan · 24th February 2003, 11:23

/me points and laughs at zlyot because the computer he is going to get will crushZ0r his.

Zylot · 25th February 2003, 04:36

My computer is a polymorphic wonder, it's always changing.

as soon as you get yours mine will rise to new heights

20th February 2003, 05:37	#1
Krash Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 977	ATi graphics card + windowed mode... Obviously, this belongs on the troubleshooting forum, but you guys might not check that for days =] Bowing in to peer pressure, I recently spent a great wad of my hard-earned cash on a new machine, including an ATi Radeon 9700. It's glorious. I can play milkdrop in fullscreen and in overlay mode just fine, but as soon as I use windowed mode (which I prefer), the frame frate drops horribly. I'm talking under 10fps with a really small window. Drag the window to cover most of the 1024x768 desktop, and I get about 1fps. Do any of you run an ATi card (9700 or otherwise)? I can't imagine why only windowed mode would be slow (whereas it was the fastest on my old GF2). I'm running the latest Catalyst drivers from ATi, if that makes a difference. - Krash Eighty-three percent of all statistical quotes are made up on the spot.

20th February 2003, 10:06	#3
Krash Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 977	oops, thought I was editing, not quoting... meant to say that even turning everything down doesn't increase the speed at all... - Krash Eighty-three percent of all statistical quotes are made up on the spot.

21st February 2003, 06:10	#6
Krash Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 977	Specs of the new beast: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ with 333MHz FSB Asus A7N8X Deluxe Motherboard (nForce2 chipset) 1 GB PC2700 (333MHz) memory 40GB hard drive to boot from 120GB SATA hard drive Radeon 9700 I think I'm gonna reinstall my video drivers - might work better. - Krash Eighty-three percent of all statistical quotes are made up on the spot.

23rd February 2003, 00:37	#11
Krash Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 977	17" at the moment. I'll get something bigger when I have more money - I have much less than I did a week ago. I also fixed my problem - DirectX had gotten screwy in the process of putting the new vid card in (I had to run off my old GF2 for a couple days, 'cause nobody had 9700's in stock). Reinstalled DirectX, and now it's up to 60fps or so. I wish I knew how I used to get 90... - Krash Eighty-three percent of all statistical quotes are made up on the spot.

24th February 2003, 05:00	#14
Zylot Major Dude Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Pa, US(of)A Posts: 804	1.8 ghz P4 512 cache GE4 TI 4400 (MultiMon Primary) 32 meg ATI all in wonder PCI (MultiMon Secondary) 1.2 gigs SDR 133 60gig HD (Not to mention ThermalTake CPU Cooler, Quad-Blue LED 80mm Cooling Fan) No "beast" but formidable enough to impress friends and scare enemies. I get 50-60 fps fullscreen or windowed... doesn't really matter. I just can't run desktop or fade to black. ------------- What do you wish for? --Instrumentality

20th February 2003, 19:09	#4
StudioMusic Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 852	Krash, congrats on the new machine. I love mine too. I have the ATI 9700 with the newest 3.1 catalyst drivers and Directx 9. Basically I keep this machine updated all the time. I only keep what I need in my services running which presently is 12 and nothing in my startup, I start everything manually. I also put the ati hotkey poller to manual in services. I hardly ever run window mode, fullscreen is what i prefer but I went to window mode and it is pegged out at 64 fps, that is the fastest I seem to ever get in any mode. I have been trying to find a problem with MD and I have yet to fine one except that when I hit M once in a while half the code is missing in the per frame but the preset is still runing with all the code and if I shut down and start MD again it is all there. Also I run my desktop most the time at 1152 x 864 and MD at 1280 x 960 and a very few presets drop below 64fps usually in the high 50's fps. I do not think I can be of any help to you because MD screams on this machine with no problems but if you have any questions for me to help you find the bug just ask. By the way what processor did you get? Also sorry about that last post, I guess you can't post a preset with a (') in the zip name or it comes out as a attachment. But I figured it out half drunk last night. Luckily I am off work today. I know you will figure it out. SM

20th February 2003, 21:31	#5
ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Missouri via Tennessee Posts: 8,813	I dont use the same card or even and ATI at all but I also get slower FPS in windowed mode..

21st February 2003, 11:24	#7
ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Missouri via Tennessee Posts: 8,813	In windowed mode Decay dosent work and everything fades pruple for me too.

22nd February 2003, 02:53	#8
StudioMusic Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 852	Krash my specs are quite a bit different than yours Pentium® 4 processor 2.40GHz w/ 533MHz system bus & 512K L2 Cache 512MB PC1066 RDRAM soon to be 1.5GB 120GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive (7200 RPM) with DataBurst Cache 128mb DDR ATI Radeon™ 9700 Dual boot-windows XP and 2000 plus ohter things not mentioned. So it good be anything. But let me know it you get the problemed solved and idiot what kind of vid card do you have? SM

22nd February 2003, 05:09	#9
Illusion Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 689	SM & Krash - I hate both of you and your awesome machines. Do you really need more than a gigabyte of RAM? I managed to pickup a Voodoo3 PCI for A$30, which runs MD quite quickly (35 - 40 fps+), but unfortunately maxes out at a texture size of 256 x 256, meaning it looks pretty awful, even at very high resolutions. As far as I know, there's not any way around this, which is a bit of shame..... For the record, both my onboard Intel video card and the Voodoo3 seem to run slightly quicker in windowed mode than they do in fullscreen mode with the same resolution... not that that would be any help towards solving your problem though BTW, SM & Krash, what size monitor are you using? Do either of you have LCD screens, or do you still have CRTs? You can get 19" CRTs for as low as A$320 these days, I paid A$500 for mine just under a year ago... oh well...

22nd February 2003, 22:19	#10
StudioMusic Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 852	Illusion, I have a 19inch LCD and it is beutifull. SM

23rd February 2003, 01:19	#12
StudioMusic Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 852	Yes Krash, if you can tell me how to get better than 64fps I would love MD even more. SM

23rd February 2003, 11:56	#13
StudioMusic Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 852	Krash, my girlfried thinks your presets are awesome her name is Jodi. Also you are one of the few I have never moded. SM

24th February 2003, 05:05	#15
ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Missouri via Tennessee Posts: 8,813	"I just can't run desktop or fade to black." points and laughs

24th February 2003, 05:14	#16
Zylot Major Dude Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Pa, US(of)A Posts: 804	[plays Doom 3 alpha with relatively high fps... bitch] ------------- What do you wish for? --Instrumentality

24th February 2003, 09:53	#17
StudioMusic Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 852	Christie is here and she kicks ass

24th February 2003, 11:23	#20
ryan not fucked, not quite. (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Missouri via Tennessee Posts: 8,813	/me points and laughs at zlyot because the computer he is going to get will crushZ0r his.

25th February 2003, 04:36	#21
Zylot Major Dude Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Pa, US(of)A Posts: 804	My computer is a polymorphic wonder, it's always changing. as soon as you get yours mine will rise to new heights ------------- What do you wish for? --Instrumentality

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