About Internal networks

Darkone · 21st February 2003, 21:01

I am planning on setting up a broadcast server on my network. The thing is, I don't want it to broadcast to the world, only to my private IP network.
Is this possible at all? what do I do to make it work that way?

Rodrigo

FesterHead · 21st February 2003, 22:00

Very possible. It's easier than broadcasting to the world

Simple solution:
Don't configure your router to forward the port(s) used by the DNAS.

Also, making the server private should stop any yp messages being logged. Without the ports being forwarded, the yp messgaes would be errors.

rgATL · 21st February 2003, 22:03

Sure, just don't open any ports in your firewall; no outside traffic will be able to get to it.

rg.

EDIT: Ha! Fester beat me to it.

Darkone · 21st February 2003, 22:06

Ok, I understand that if the firewall is closed, the world won't see.
How does Winamp or Media Player (or others) get to see a server that is located on (for example) 10.1.x.x? being that one a private ip...

FesterHead · 21st February 2003, 22:08

The DNAS ports need to be forwarded to the DNAS machine.

Darkone · 21st February 2003, 22:09

so it's just a matter of telling the programs to look for that IP...true?

FesterHead · 21st February 2003, 22:21

Incoming requests go through the router.
The router routes (

) the request to the machine associated with the requested port.

Example:
You have your DNAS on lan ip W.X.Y.Z with portBase 8000.
The router needs to be configured to send requests associated to ports 8000 and 8001 (portBase and portBase+1) to lan ip W.X.Y.Z

Check with your router documentation on how to do port fowarding.
Or, check out the Sticky post titled:
SHOUTcast: Important Info & Answers to FAQs. READ ME!

Scroll down a bit and look for the section titled:
Routers, Firewalls, and Networks. Oh My!

If your ISP is in control of the router, you need to ask them to forawrd your ports to your lan ip.

Darkone · 21st February 2003, 22:27

Ok, let me give you a little run down on my network. I know how to change things on the router, but I'm not sure it's all that necessary.
Internet, then router, then firewall, then Domain server, then "radio" server and other systems on the network.
Since I don't want to go to the internet with this, then I would assume that the transmition should not go further than the Domain server. Then again, if the router HAS to forward from 1.1.1.X to the same subnet, I'll do it, but, isn't it a little too much for my scenario?

Tom · 21st February 2003, 22:32

Just use the internal IP, so for example: http://192.168.1.101:8000/listen.pls or type 192.168.1.101:8000 into the play location of Winamp.

Also uncheck the make this server public box in the DSP.

Tom

Darkone · 21st February 2003, 22:34

The server will not require IIS or anything similar installed then right? only that line or whatever it is I'd use as an IP?

Tom · 21st February 2003, 22:37

Correct, the URL I gave will open a user's default .pls player and begin playing the stream. All of that is handled by the SHOUTcast DNAS so no other server will be needed.

Tom

Darkone · 21st February 2003, 22:40

Excellent, thanks for the help guys!

Darkone · 21st February 2003, 22:59

One last question, a bit unrelated.
Can shoutcast be made to run as a service for Windows 2000 Server?

FesterHead · 22nd February 2003, 00:40

Check out the results from a SHOUTcast forum search on 'windows service'.

Look for a post by CollegeBoy titled:
ShoutCast Server on NT

(Hint: look on page 2 of the search results)

Note: Other search criteria may yield more results.

Darkone · 22nd February 2003, 00:49

Thanks.
One final question...the broadcast keeps getting dropped.
In other words, a song starts and a few seconds later (30-40 seconds aprox) it stops...almost as if the connection was too slow and needed constant buffering.
However, I was doing a test with only two people conected to the server, on a 100mbps LAN, with a 96kbps stream.
I would think that I have enough bandwith not to have this kind of problems, unless I'm missing something?

21st February 2003, 21:01	#1
Darkone Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 9	About Internal networks I am planning on setting up a broadcast server on my network. The thing is, I don't want it to broadcast to the world, only to my private IP network. Is this possible at all? what do I do to make it work that way? Rodrigo

21st February 2003, 22:21	#7
FesterHead Alumni Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Maui, Hawaii Posts: 14,108	Incoming requests go through the router. The router routes () the request to the machine associated with the requested port. Example: You have your DNAS on lan ip W.X.Y.Z with portBase 8000. The router needs to be configured to send requests associated to ports 8000 and 8001 (portBase and portBase+1) to lan ip W.X.Y.Z Check with your router documentation on how to do port fowarding. Or, check out the Sticky post titled: SHOUTcast: Important Info & Answers to FAQs. READ ME! Scroll down a bit and look for the section titled: Routers, Firewalls, and Networks. Oh My! If your ISP is in control of the router, you need to ask them to forawrd your ports to your lan ip.

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21st February 2003, 22:00	#2
FesterHead Alumni Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Maui, Hawaii Posts: 14,108	Very possible. It's easier than broadcasting to the world Simple solution: Don't configure your router to forward the port(s) used by the DNAS. Also, making the server private should stop any yp messages being logged. Without the ports being forwarded, the yp messgaes would be errors.

21st February 2003, 22:03	#3
rgATL Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: ATL, of course. Posts: 724	Sure, just don't open any ports in your firewall; no outside traffic will be able to get to it. rg. EDIT: Ha! Fester beat me to it.

21st February 2003, 22:06	#4
Darkone Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 9	Ok, I understand that if the firewall is closed, the world won't see. How does Winamp or Media Player (or others) get to see a server that is located on (for example) 10.1.x.x? being that one a private ip...

21st February 2003, 22:08	#5
FesterHead Alumni Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Maui, Hawaii Posts: 14,108	The DNAS ports need to be forwarded to the DNAS machine.

21st February 2003, 22:09	#6
Darkone Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 9	so it's just a matter of telling the programs to look for that IP...true?

21st February 2003, 22:27	#8
Darkone Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 9	Ok, let me give you a little run down on my network. I know how to change things on the router, but I'm not sure it's all that necessary. Internet, then router, then firewall, then Domain server, then "radio" server and other systems on the network. Since I don't want to go to the internet with this, then I would assume that the transmition should not go further than the Domain server. Then again, if the router HAS to forward from 1.1.1.X to the same subnet, I'll do it, but, isn't it a little too much for my scenario?

21st February 2003, 22:32	#9
Tom Moderator Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 4,491	Just use the internal IP, so for example: http://192.168.1.101:8000/listen.pls or type 192.168.1.101:8000 into the play location of Winamp. Also uncheck the make this server public box in the DSP. Tom

21st February 2003, 22:34	#10
Darkone Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 9	The server will not require IIS or anything similar installed then right? only that line or whatever it is I'd use as an IP?

21st February 2003, 22:37	#11
Tom Moderator Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 4,491	Correct, the URL I gave will open a user's default .pls player and begin playing the stream. All of that is handled by the SHOUTcast DNAS so no other server will be needed. Tom

21st February 2003, 22:40	#12
Darkone Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 9	Excellent, thanks for the help guys!

21st February 2003, 22:59	#13
Darkone Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 9	One last question, a bit unrelated. Can shoutcast be made to run as a service for Windows 2000 Server?

22nd February 2003, 00:40	#14
FesterHead Alumni Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Maui, Hawaii Posts: 14,108	Check out the results from a SHOUTcast forum search on 'windows service'. Look for a post by CollegeBoy titled: ShoutCast Server on NT (Hint: look on page 2 of the search results) Note: Other search criteria may yield more results.

22nd February 2003, 00:49	#15
Darkone Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 9	Thanks. One final question...the broadcast keeps getting dropped. In other words, a song starts and a few seconds later (30-40 seconds aprox) it stops...almost as if the connection was too slow and needed constant buffering. However, I was doing a test with only two people conected to the server, on a 100mbps LAN, with a 96kbps stream. I would think that I have enough bandwith not to have this kind of problems, unless I'm missing something?