Yummy new gfx cards.

[Atmo]

Nvidia Announcing NV31, NV34 on March 6th

"NV31 will feature 80 million of transistors and has core frequency of 350, 300 and 250MHz. The 128MB version of NV31 will have 550Mhz memory clock while the 256MB version will have 500Mhz memory clock.

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/articl...Hardware/2356/

But here's what im waiting for...

More Radeon 9600, 9800 Pro Info

The R350 meanwhile will be manufactured using 0.15-micron technology, and will utilize 4 vertex and eight pixel pipes with Smartshader 2.1 and Smoothvision 2.1 technology support. Its core frequency will be around 375/350 or 400/350MHz, while its 256MB of 256-bit DDR memory has a frequency of 350MHz.

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/articl...Hardware/2355/

Imagine the funny looks you'd get from people if 10 (or even 5) years ago you told them a 256mb video card would be a consumer item...

[binary hero]

i seem to have lost all faith in nvidia after the nv30 turned out like it did.

[RIV@NVX]

ATI all the way.

[SNYder]

can someone post in a reply the contents of which ever one of those articles is talking about the new radions... please? for what ever reason, my school has blocked access to neoseeker.com in their never ending fight to stop us students from seeing sights they find that we have gone to that dont relate to school.

thanks in advance

ps.. dont bother posting if u dont post within an 45 minutes of this post, since I'll be outa class by then. in which case ill just read it when i get home. but i hope i get to read it now.

I hope those 9800 pro's come out soon. I've been putting off getting a 9700 Pro for it.

[SNYder]

never mind. I got back to my afternoon school and got to the article. But I'm confused. Sine the 9600Pro is ofcourse the next step up from 9500Pro and the 9800Pro is the next step up from a 9700Pro, then why does the 9600Pro have a more advanced .13micron make-up then the 9800Pro's .15micron make-up? And wont that update to .13 make it have a new solution for exsessive heat like the GeForceFX have?

[fwgx]

It's not running as fast as the 9800 is at ~400 and has a smaller bus of 128 bit instead of 256.

[Atmo]

It should, but a drop from .15 to .13 wont make that much difference. Why they've chosen to go that route i dont know.

Just noticed something else:

The NV31 and NV34 will be formally known as the GeForce FX 5600 and GeForce FX 5200 respectively, and will be available in Ultra and non-Ultra versions like the current NV30 cards (GeForce FX 5800).

With 3 different cards available in ultra and non ultra versions it's gonna cause some marketing headaches.

Just wait, it wont be long before gainward release the 'Gainward Golden Sample Ultra 5600-8X 256 XP Ultra Limited Edition Ultra Extra Spiffy FX'

[fwgx]

It's like Street Fighter on the SNES all over again.

[SNYder]

Originally posted by Atmo
Just wait, it wont be long before gainward release the 'Gainward Golden Sample Ultra 5600-8X 256 XP Ultra Limited Edition Ultra Extra Spiffy FX'

but yeah... anyways. Phily Baby, why don't they give the Radeon 9800 use .13micron too? But more importantly, why give the lower model it and not the higher model?

[meglamaniac]

Unfortunately for you Radeon fans, the GeForce FX beats the Radeon 9700 AND 9800 by as much as 50% in current DirectX 8 benchmarks.
I highlight this because all the games people 'set score' by (QIIIA, SS2: Second Encounter, etc) use none of the features these cards were designed specifically to support.
Yes, we can use 3DMark '03, but considering we have no DX9 games yet it's results are utterly useless as there's nothing to set them against except other hardware configs (ie. at the moment you could say that 5,000 marks in 3DMark '01 is sufficient to play splinter cell at decent resolutions. I don't know if it is or not, I just made that up as an example). While you can see what board runs a card best etc from 3D Marks, what it won't tell you at the moment is how well they will play DX9 games.

Once DX9 games appear, THEN we can get a proper handle on these cards. Once you put the Radeon 9800 Pro against the GeForce FX (whatever it's highest model number is) in Doom III, then we will have some meaningful results.

Until then, check out this link for a view of how they compare. Note the (comparitively) pitiful performace of the GeForce4 Ti4800, which until a few months ago was the height of graphics performance. Such is the way of things in this business.

[fwgx]

Tomshardware has different results altogether:
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/...800pro-33.html

The Radeon 9800 PRO makes an impressive showing, nullifying the slim lead NVIDIA's FX 5800 Ultra held over the Radeon 9700 PRO. While the newcomer achieves parity with the NVIDIA card in standard tests, it totally dominates the FX 5800 Ultra when it comes to FSAA and anisotropic filtering. Additionally, the ATi cards offer the better FSAA/ aniso implementation in our comparison. It remains to be seen whether this will change with future driver updates from NVIDIA. We'll take a closer look at image quality on both cards as soon as we have WHQL (or final) drivers for these cards.

[Atmo]

Originally posted by meglamaniac
Note the (comparitively) pitiful performace of the GeForce4 Ti4800, which until a few months ago was the height of graphics performance.

Actually, the ti4800 is a ti4400 with agp 8x, but even with agp8x the ti4600 is still faster (theres also an agp8x version of it as well).

Unfortunately for you Radeon fans, the GeForce FX beats the Radeon 9700 AND 9800 by as much as 50% in current DirectX 8 benchmarks.

Perhaps, but thats kinda like doing a comparison between an Athlon XP and a P4 with MMX, 3dnow, SSE/SSE2 etc. turned off.

If a card is designed for DX9 then the only way to measure its true performance is to benchmark it using a DX9 test.

Here's why. My system with a geforce2 mx400 was good for around 6500 3dmarks in 3dmark 2000, with my geforce4 ti4400 it gets around 12,000.

Thats less than a 50% improvement in dx7 tests. However with 3dmark2001 the mx400 could only muster around 3500, while i got over 11,000 with the geforce4, almost 3 times as fast in dx8.

Sure, 3dmark2001 is still the standard at the moment, but you cant accurately measure a dx9 cards performance using it.

Remember back when the geforce3 came out? It was only 18% faster than the geforce2 ultra in DX7 tests, but closer to 40% faster in DX8.

[meglamaniac]

Which is exactly what I said.

FYI, the 4800 is the AGP8x 4600. The 4800SE is the AGP 8x 4400. The 4200 clearly doesn't warrent a new model name - it just gets called the 4200 with AGP 8x. Catchy.

[Atmo]

Yep, you're right, i had em back to front.

Seems retarded calling the lower specced card the SE model though, since it usually stands for Special Edition.

[meglamaniac]

Probably so they can con people who don't know about these things, because as you say, SE normally means it's extra special so they think they're getting a bargain.

In much the same way PCWorld (here in the UK) tend to flog 2.8Ghz P4s with GeForce4 MXs in them as 'games machines', when a 1.5Ghz machine with a GeForce4 Ti4800 would probably beat it hands down for games performance. It's boarderline false advertising, but they get away with it, and people get suckered in because "it's got a bigger number so it must be better".

Ahhh, marketing...

[fwgx]

By the way if anyone here is in advertising or marketing... kill yourself.

No, no, no it's just a little thought. I'm just trying to plant seeds. Maybe one day, they'll take root - I don't know. You try, you do what you can.
Kill yourself.

Seriously though, if you are, do.

Aaah, no really, there's no rationalisation for what you do and you are Satan's little helpers.

Okay - kill yourself - seriously. You are the ruiner of all things good, seriously. No this is not a joke, you're going, "there's going to be a joke coming," there's no fucking joke coming.

You are Satan's spawn filling the world with bile and garbage. You are fucked and you are fucking us. Kill yourself. It's the only way to save your fucking soul, kill yourself. Planting seeds. I know all the marketing people are going, "he's doing a joke... there's no joke here whatsoever. Suck a tail-pipe, fucking hang yourself, borrow a gun from a Yank friend - I don't care how you do it. Rid the world of your evil fucking makinations.

Machi... Whatever, you know what I mean.

I know what all the marketing people are thinking right now too, "Oh, you know what Bill's doing, he's going for that anti-marketing dollar. That's a good market, he's very smart." Oh man, I am not doing that. You fucking evil scumbags! "Ooh, you know what Bill's doing now, he's going for the righteous indignation dollar. That's a big dollar. A lot of people are feeling that indignation. We've done research - huge market. He's doing a good thing." Godammit, I'm not doing that, you scum-bags!

Quit putting a godamm dollar sign on every fucking thing on this planet!

"Ooh, the anger dollar. Huge. Huge in times of recession. Giant market, Bill's very bright to do that."

God, I'm just caught in a fucking web.

"Ooh the trapped dollar, big dollar, huge dollar. Good market - look at our research. We see that many people feel trapped. If we play to that and then separate them into the trapped dollar..."

How do you live like that? And I bet you sleep like fucking babies at night, don't you?"

"What didya do today honey?"

"Oh, we made ah, we made ah arsenic a childhood food now, goodnight." [snores]

"Yeah we just said you know is your baby really too loud? You know," [snores] "Yeah, you know the mums will love it." [snores]

Sleep like fucking children, don't ya, this is your world isn't it?

[StationLex]

HAHAHA, the current ATI cards have 2 times the 3dmark03 points as the FX cards

[SNYder]

lol