Old 18th October 2003, 17:53   #1
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Winamp 5 Beta 1 vs. iTunes 4.1

First off, excellent work on Winamp 5. I have the beta installed with MMD3 and the memory footprint is only around 8MB. Winamp3 ran with a 30MB footprint on my machine (running XP).

I downloaded iTunes a couple of days ago and noticed there are some features in it that Winamp lacks. Naturally, there are some things that I prefer in Winamp. Here's quick list of the good and the bad, in my humble opinion:

Features of iTunes that I like better than Winamp

1. Smart Playlists
You can create playlists defined by year, genre, artist, etc that automatically update. This would be an excellent addition to the Winamp Library.

2. Simpler Library/Playlist Navigation
iTunes is designed pretty much like the Winamp Library except that it doesn't have an additional playlist window. I've seen some comments floating around on the forums about getting rid of the Playlist Editor that has been around since Winamp 1. The library really has become the new playlist editor.

3. iPod Synchronization
Don't know if this is of interest to anybody, but I figure I'd mention it.

4. All-in-one Play/Pause/Stop Button
I like how iTunes has combined these three buttons into one. It takes up less space and it makes sense. What exactly is the point of the stop button in Winamp anyway? Just use the pause button.

Features of Winamp that I like better than iTunes

1. Faster Load Time
In my opinion, the most important feature of an audio program.

2. Smaller Memory Footprint
The second most important feature.

3. ID3v1.1 Lyrics3 v2 Tag Support
A lot of the MP3s on P2P programs are encoded with this tag format. iTunes doesn't even support Lyrics3 (including its extended tag information fields). However, the Winamp Library still doesn't have this... People really should stick with this format because it stores the data at the end of the file, making it easier on your hard drive when you retag.

4. Track Gap Killer
I love the ability to configure DirectSound to remove the silence at the beginning or end of a track. iTunes has a crossfader, but it doesn't work as well for continuous play CDs.

5. Visualization
MilkDrop, Geiss, and the AVS are so much better than what iTunes currently has to offer.

All in all, great work with Winamp 5. I can't wait for the final release. In the end, I'm sticking with tried and true Winamp over iTunes.
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Old 18th October 2003, 18:07   #2
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Old 18th October 2003, 18:24   #3
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Oh geez, sorry about that. I searched for iTunes but somehow missed that thread.
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Old 18th October 2003, 18:33   #4
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There's other threads too.

Smart playlist equivalent in Winamp:
ML -> Library button -> Add new view
Enter the query, give it a name, click ok.
Voila, you have your auto-updating smart playlist.

iPod support is being worked on
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=132337

Points 2 & 4 are neglible.
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Old 18th October 2003, 19:22   #5
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media views are NOT the same as smart playlists. they are a rough approximation with several key features missing.

ie "last played"
or
"limit to 25 items"
or
"one hour in length"
or
"favorite"

etc
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Old 18th October 2003, 20:22   #6
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Yeah, well, that's why Winamp 5 is a 4mb download, and iTunes is a 20mb download

Stats etc can always be implemented in a later 5.x version,

or via a plugin, eg. one of these:

http://classic.winamp.com/plugins/de...onentId=113542
http://classic.winamp.com/plugins/de...onentId=122560
http://classic.winamp.com/plugins/de...ponentId=49388
http://classic.winamp.com/plugins/de...onentId=125483
http://classic.winamp.com/plugins/de...ponentId=56100
http://classic.winamp.com/plugins/de...onentId=100076
http://classic.winamp.com/plugins/de...ponentId=37264
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Old 18th October 2003, 21:11   #7
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right, and i'm sure you're well aware of my desire for this by now, given my bazillion posts on the subject... but

a) even if it CAN be implemented, it's NOT, and that's enough of an annoyance to make me want to switch to another program (but i can't bring myself to do it, because winamp has a killer UI that beats the bejesus out of everything else)

b) if it's implemented with a plugin, how easy would it be to integrate that with the media library's media views? that might mean that we could have smart playlists based on tag data and others based on play stats but none that use both (ie, "metal that i haven't heard in at least two weeks")
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Old 19th October 2003, 02:50   #8
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The most useful thing is windowshade mode ^_^
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