Fuck Al-Quieda and Al Jazerra

[shakey_snake]

Man, all of you guys are the spawn of a post-vietnam society.
Vietnam protest was such a burden on the American Phyche, to and for especially those in the armed forces, our country is gonna hate any time we go to War.
Step back off your positions and look at the root problem.
The problem here isn't why our president took us to War, or if he lied, but that our president can take us to war!

Now, the War Powers Act is the product of a loose interpetation of the constitution. Loose interpretation theory basically says the constitution can say whatever you want it to.
Limit the federal government. Restore the Constitution. Vote Libertarian. I'm out.

[CaboWaboAddict]

I have to remind you Shakey, that the war powers act was implemented to allow a quick response to agression. Congress has to approve continued action, which they did.

Would you rather have our military's hands tied while Congress decides what to do? That would be really tragic in a scenario like Pearl Harbor.

I don't feel the president should have as free a reign as he does, but repealing that is not the way. (Maybe modify it to require a concensus with the Speaker of the House and the Minority Leader?)

[Janus Lunar]

In response to rsf: Buddy - don't think you are me. Don't think to understand one whit of the meaning of anything I say/type. Let us get one very important thing straight - I am being cold concerning the response given to 9/11. I am being cold concerning idiots like you that think we have to be out there wasting Human lives to accomplish something that is impossible.

Want a Hypocrite? Our entire country stands for Freedom, Justice, Equality, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Guess what? We have a long way to go to live up to our ideals. We still have Racists - we still limit the rights of others.

Back on topic - rsf, guess what? If you meant our response to Afghanistan - well perhaps you should have gone over there instead of our esteemed Air Force. So far as I am concerned the bombing of ANY country to that extent violates the Humanitarian rights we have fought to give to others. How? Simple - we destroyed countless homes. Ruined already poor lives. How hard would it have been to send in ground troops and weed out the real terrorists? Try and come up with a reason to ruin someone's life because Achmed next door was with the Taliban and the Alquida.

[JimSchuuz]

Originally posted by will
WRONG!

Who fund terrorism:
Is it the despotic dictators?
Is it music and movie piracy?
Or is it mommy filling her SUV with gas?

Its number three. Where do you think the Bin Laden family fortune came from? Construction work paid for by the oil rich state of Saudi Arabia.

Oil rich from all the fucking oil they've sold to the US of A.

If the US wasn't the most energy wasteful socity on earth*, maybe Bin Laden wouldn't be a billionare. And maybe this wouldn't have happened.

* They are responsible for 25% of the worlds total energy use, amongst 4% of the population. A great deal of it oil.

Saddam paid $50,000 each to the families of suicide bombers, and this is a fact, unlike the other statements you made which are purely conjecture.

Bin Laden isn't a "billionaire".
The United States only consumes 14% of the world's oil usage, and we have 6% of the world's population.
The United States also leads the world in GDP, at approximately 18% of the global market.
The United States leads the world in both alternative energy usage and research/development.

Two questions for you:
1) So do you walk everywhere you go or ride a bicycle/horse?
2) Do you really believe that you're taken seriously when the rudimentary points you made are full of grammar and spelling mistakes?

Take your self-righteous Eurotrash views and go fuck yourself with them. And next time, don't bring my mother into this.

[JimSchuuz]

Originally posted by kunzi_n
Don't do much research do you? Well this is your first homework assignment, find out the name of the orginization (here is a hint they enforce the laws that govern our economy (the stock market being part of that economy)).

Furthermore try reading all the posts and if you quote someone make it pertain to what they were saying don't just mention one thing and then go on a rant.

Actually I did my research long before I made any posts. I'm asking YOU to provide your proof and to clarify the statement made.

FURTHERMORE, I'm entitled to rant under this thread about ANY statement made that is on-topic. My statements were on-topic. If I want to take individual sentences out of the entire post, I am allowed to do so, and none were taken out of context. I challenge you to show where any were.

[will]

Fuck you buddy.

I exclusively cycle during the university semesters, and when I'm at home I drive a 1 litre fiet seicento, which is very fuel efficient (only because home has too many hills for easy cycling).

In 1999 (I can't find more recent data. But with recent your govenments opposition to enviromental concerns, I doubt the data is far different today), according to the National energy foundation the USA uses:
Oli: 25.5% share of world total usage
Coal: 25.5% of world total usage
Natural Gas: 26.9% of world total usage

As for the wealth of the Bin Ladens, yes I was wrong, it is infact half a billion dollars at last count.

Saudi Arabia as a whole has one trillion dollars stashed in the US economy.

You want to call me self-righteous Eurotrash?

Well, you are a fucking stupid redneck hick who doesn't quite grasp the fact that the US is part of the world and thus responsible for the future consequences of your collective actions.

And just so you know, in the next UK general election, I will be voting for our conservative party, which is right wing. So don't call me a fucking leftie. All 3 major parties in the UK are ALL taking the environment and carbon emmissons seriously. And you know what their collective main aim in this issue is?

To try to persuade the USA that they are fucking the world up and should reduce carbon emmissions.

Now stop eating fried fucking crocodile and look out the window, you fucking dumbass.

[Bilbo Baggins]

Also, dont post twice in a row.

[rsf]

Originally posted by Janus Lunar
In response to rsf: Buddy - don't think you are me.

I never said that I was, nor would I want to be in the first place.

Don't think to understand one whit of the meaning of anything I say/type.

So, I should just ignore your ramblings then? I replied to a post that I deemed worthy of a quote. Buck up pal, you had gotten my attention.

Let us get one very important thing straight - I am being cold concerning the response given to 9/11.

I was going to post something witty, but instead I'll ask this; What should have we done?

I am being cold concerning idiots like you that think we have to be out there wasting Human lives to accomplish something that is impossible.


Think before you type chief. I never once had said that I thought our response was the right one. If you had taken the time to read correctly I had said this:

And besides attempting to bring these cowards to justice, how would we go along acclompishing it? Asking nicely for countries cooperation?

Now where in that post did I mention the fact that what we are doing is right? Also, I'd prefer not to be called an idiot, so much as an open-minded thinker. So get it straight or shut the fuck up.


Want a Hypocrite? Our entire country stands for Freedom, Justice, Equality, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Guess what? We have a long way to go to live up to our ideals. We still have Racists - we still limit the rights of others.

No fucking shit genious. You want more hypcorisy? How about the Censorship that we face daily? Our media isn't open as much as we think. I don't care if you've heard that before, I felt like posting it. How about the fact that we are supposedly fighting a war against the drugs in this country, yet the government uses Drug money itself to fund Corporate sponsored Dictators around the world? Should I go on? No, I shall not.

Back on topic - rsf, guess what? If you meant our response to Afghanistan - well perhaps you should have gone over there instead of our esteemed Air Force.

Actually, I attempted to join the armed forces to fight for ignorant morons like yourself, but alas, they wouldn't take me for health reasons.

So far as I am concerned the bombing of ANY country to that extent violates the Humanitarian rights we have fought to give to others. How? Simple - we destroyed countless homes.

Granted the fact that a lot of the homes that were destryoed weren't even targeted, or due to misfire or so on, most of them were hide-outs for known terrorists or rebels. How else do you suppose we rouse the suspected terrorists from their hiding places without wasting American lives on the ground?

Ruined already poor lives. How hard would it have been to send in ground troops and weed out the real terrorists?

Yet even more hypocrisy on your part. You say that we should bring our troops back, yet you don't want the Airforce doing any of the work, so we send ground troops in? Make up your mind.

Try and come up with a reason to ruin someone's life because Achmed next door was with the Taliban and the Alquida.

To me there are no reasons why innocents should've been killed throughout this war, but to the government there are. As I'm not in the government, nor shall I ever be, I'll leave the answer that I gave in the first part of this sentence alone.

Also, it's Al Qaeda, get it right.

[Janus Lunar]

Well well well - poster boy two shows up.

RSF - frankly - all I see in your earlier post is a means to defend yourself. Can't find meaning in anything I type?

Here's a tip. Don't try - you'll hurt that tiny pod you call a mass of Dura matter.

Funny thing - I contradict myself all the time - and I admit it. As far as Armed forces go? Frankly - I despise the Military. Yet on the same token I will not stand by while so many die in wars that are litterally unneeded.

As for your last comment? I don't give a rat's ass how it is spelled. Or did you not figure that out?

Let's just leave it as this - you don't give a shit about my opinion - I really don't care for yours. Go take apart the 'ramblings' of the man that thought htis war was needed in the first place - the President.

9/11 Response (Proper): Simple - Investigate everything that occured - do not jump to conclusions. Once this is accomplaished - find the hiding spots of the Cells responsible - then take them out quickly and quietly. Bombing does not do that. If bombing is needed - send in troops befoehand to ferret them into a contained area - then bomb the contained area. With how well trained our forces are - that should not be a problem.

And before any of you quip for me to go there and try my hand? Sorry buds - Disabled due to eyesight causes, non-correctable/LegallyBlind. (Yep, I'm using a Screen Reader). Am I a Hypocrite? At times - Yes. Do I give a damn? No. Am I normally kind? Yes. To people like RSF? No. To people that try to find every excuse to continue this war? No.

Now - I'll post this with a final little point: If you really want to ferret out the Terrorists and kill them - go and do it yourself. I'll suggest we send in the Military to bring back the corpse.

[will]

Damn Janus, you're a pussy.

[Russ]

Originally posted by JimSchuuz
The United States leads the world in both alternative energy usage and research/development.

Wow. Just wow. Do they really feed you that bullshit over there?

Per capita, the US produces 20.2 tons of carbon dioxide per year. France produces 6.7, less than half of that. The UK produces 9.5. Spain produces 7.5. China produces 2.6.

Despite having less than 5% of the world's population, the USA accounts for more than 25% of the world's carbon emissions.

Over 90% of France's energy is produced from "environmentally-friendly" sources, compared to less than 25% of the US's.

And you're trying to honestly tell me that the US is a world leader in alternative energy? Bullshit. The US is the world's largest polluter, and continues to irresponsibly disregard international climate protocols. The US couldn't be any further from being the world leader - by any accounts France is.

[Janus Lunar]

and will is supposed to be a Moderator? Let's get something straight here - one mroe - I am disabled. You want a real pussy? Go talk to those that CAN fight and don't.

Now - unless or until you have something of actual worth to say - please refrain from ever addressing me again. If you're a Moderator - act like it and kindly grow above calling someone you have never met a pussy.

[kunzi_n]

Originally posted by Janus Lunar

9/11 Response (Proper): Simple - Investigate everything that occured - do not jump to conclusions. Once this is accomplaished - find the hiding spots of the Cells responsible - then take them out quickly and quietly. Bombing does not do that. If bombing is needed - send in troops befoehand to ferret them into a contained area - then bomb the contained area. With how well trained our forces are - that should not be a problem.

Alright I'm going to say it. Our (the U.S.) government is responsible for 9/11. They needed the boost in the economy to help the declining favor of that idiot dubya. Anyone like to give evidence to the contrary? I bet so because you are still blinded by the pinche american media. It is about time to heat up this discussion.

Jimmy boy I chalenged you to prove me wrong and so far you have not done that. You are right though you have the right to post anything you want even if it makes no sense to the logical mind.

And russ, Right on again. Did any of you know that the us has the patten for a car that runs on water (converting it to hydrogen and then burning it...clean)? They bought it in the fifties from a guy in minnesota. They will not produce it though because the economy and roads depend on the taxes that we get from gasoline.

[will]

The flaming, and myself are totally out of control in this thread.

Locked.

And will is banned for a week.